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	<description>It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do.</description>
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		<title>By: demize!</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/11/02/morning-links-690/comment-page-1/#comment-4071758</link>
		<dc:creator>demize!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2012 18:15:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#16 A sheep would do that, and soon be mutton. Cops dont arrest people that shoot at them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#16 A sheep would do that, and soon be mutton. Cops dont arrest people that shoot at them.</p>
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		<title>By: demize!</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/11/02/morning-links-690/comment-page-1/#comment-4071740</link>
		<dc:creator>demize!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2012 18:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[On the police shooting,  I would never take the testimony of angry police with anything but suspicion. If the Philadelphia MOVE shootout shows is that cops have so little fire control that its always likely that they are shooting each other in these rare instances where there are outgoing rounds.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the police shooting,  I would never take the testimony of angry police with anything but suspicion. If the Philadelphia MOVE shootout shows is that cops have so little fire control that its always likely that they are shooting each other in these rare instances where there are outgoing rounds.</p>
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		<title>By: Personanongrata</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/11/02/morning-links-690/comment-page-1/#comment-4064307</link>
		<dc:creator>Personanongrata</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2012 11:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;The preliminary hearing is underway in the case of Matthew Stewart, the Ogden, Utah man who shot a police raid team as they broke into his home. Stewart had six marijuana plants inside.&lt;/em&gt;


&lt;em&gt;Three law enforcement personnel who executed the warrant that night all testified Wednesday that they yelled, &quot;Police! Search warrant!&quot; before entering Stewart’s home and while inside the house. They all said they were wearing some form of police identifier, whether it was a jacket with the word &quot;police&quot; written in bold, a bullet-proof vest with &quot;police&quot; printed on it, or a fleece vest with police insignia embroidered on the chest.&lt;/em&gt;

Anyone can purchase &quot;police&quot; gear with the &lt;em&gt;word &quot;police&quot; written in bold.&lt;/em&gt;  

Anyone can yell &lt;em&gt;&quot;Police! Search warrant!&quot;&lt;/em&gt; before entering someones home.

The &quot;professionals&quot; could have simply surveilled the home for a week and learned (there was no emergent need to rush in guns drawn in dark of night) Mr. Stewart&#039;s schedule and then either knocked when he was known to be at home or approach (grab) him when he leaves/arrives home for work.

The &quot;professionals&quot; should have just knocked.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>The preliminary hearing is underway in the case of Matthew Stewart, the Ogden, Utah man who shot a police raid team as they broke into his home. Stewart had six marijuana plants inside.</em></p>
<p><em>Three law enforcement personnel who executed the warrant that night all testified Wednesday that they yelled, &#8220;Police! Search warrant!&#8221; before entering Stewart’s home and while inside the house. They all said they were wearing some form of police identifier, whether it was a jacket with the word &#8220;police&#8221; written in bold, a bullet-proof vest with &#8220;police&#8221; printed on it, or a fleece vest with police insignia embroidered on the chest.</em></p>
<p>Anyone can purchase &#8220;police&#8221; gear with the <em>word &#8220;police&#8221; written in bold.</em>  </p>
<p>Anyone can yell <em>&#8220;Police! Search warrant!&#8221;</em> before entering someones home.</p>
<p>The &#8220;professionals&#8221; could have simply surveilled the home for a week and learned (there was no emergent need to rush in guns drawn in dark of night) Mr. Stewart&#8217;s schedule and then either knocked when he was known to be at home or approach (grab) him when he leaves/arrives home for work.</p>
<p>The &#8220;professionals&#8221; should have just knocked.</p>
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		<title>By: Burgers Allday</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/11/02/morning-links-690/comment-page-1/#comment-4061128</link>
		<dc:creator>Burgers Allday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 23:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[meant too say:  --one that MDS allegedly killed--]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>meant too say:  &#8211;one that MDS allegedly killed&#8211;</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Mangels</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/11/02/morning-links-690/comment-page-1/#comment-4061049</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred Mangels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 23:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanx. Can&#039;t watch it right now. Have to do some real life stuff. Back later, tho.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanx. Can&#8217;t watch it right now. Have to do some real life stuff. Back later, tho.</p>
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		<title>By: Burgers Allday</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/11/02/morning-links-690/comment-page-1/#comment-4060924</link>
		<dc:creator>Burgers Allday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 23:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[http://youtu.be/WV6Bq8xeQrU

I believe that the 2d policeman to come into the frame is the one that MDS allegedly shot a year or so later.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://youtu.be/WV6Bq8xeQrU" rel="nofollow">http://youtu.be/WV6Bq8xeQrU</a></p>
<p>I believe that the 2d policeman to come into the frame is the one that MDS allegedly shot a year or so later.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Mangels</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/11/02/morning-links-690/comment-page-1/#comment-4060877</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred Mangels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 22:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Have you watched the Todd Blair video?&lt;/i&gt;

Not sure. It doesn&#039;t ring a bell.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Have you watched the Todd Blair video?</i></p>
<p>Not sure. It doesn&#8217;t ring a bell.</p>
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		<title>By: Burgers Allday</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/11/02/morning-links-690/comment-page-1/#comment-4060822</link>
		<dc:creator>Burgers Allday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 22:40:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fred,

Have you watched the Todd Blair video?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fred,</p>
<p>Have you watched the Todd Blair video?</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Mangels</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/11/02/morning-links-690/comment-page-1/#comment-4060813</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred Mangels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 22:38:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Stewart claims police shot first and that he did not know they were police.&lt;/i&gt;.

Of course he&#039;s going to say that. Maybe it is true, but it sounds to me as if he went way beyond that. At some point he most likely knew they were police but even took the fight to the street. That would fit in with what the informant &lt;i&gt;supposedly&lt;/i&gt; told police earlier about him &quot;going out shooting&quot;.

Again, this is just preliminary testimony. We shall see what develops.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Stewart claims police shot first and that he did not know they were police.</i>.</p>
<p>Of course he&#8217;s going to say that. Maybe it is true, but it sounds to me as if he went way beyond that. At some point he most likely knew they were police but even took the fight to the street. That would fit in with what the informant <i>supposedly</i> told police earlier about him &#8220;going out shooting&#8221;.</p>
<p>Again, this is just preliminary testimony. We shall see what develops.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/11/02/morning-links-690/comment-page-1/#comment-4060779</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 22:28:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;I don’t know how someone “feels” bullets ricochet without being hit but, if they can find evidence of bullets being fired from inside the house at the street- a bullet lodged in the street, for example- Stewart’s legal team will have a tough row to hoe, imo.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Not to defend the police, but if you&#039;ve ever been shot at then you know that bullets tend to have a very distinct sound when they&#039;re flying pass you. They also create a pressure wave that you can feel if they&#039;re close enough.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I don’t know how someone “feels” bullets ricochet without being hit but, if they can find evidence of bullets being fired from inside the house at the street- a bullet lodged in the street, for example- Stewart’s legal team will have a tough row to hoe, imo.</p></blockquote>
<p>Not to defend the police, but if you&#8217;ve ever been shot at then you know that bullets tend to have a very distinct sound when they&#8217;re flying pass you. They also create a pressure wave that you can feel if they&#8217;re close enough.</p>
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		<title>By: Burgers Allday</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/11/02/morning-links-690/comment-page-1/#comment-4060674</link>
		<dc:creator>Burgers Allday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 22:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;I’d say that says quite a bit about what his state of mind might have been at the time. Lets see how this is brought out in court.&lt;/i&gt;

Stewart claims police shot first and that he did not know they were police.

That says a lot more about what his state of mind might have been at the time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I’d say that says quite a bit about what his state of mind might have been at the time. Lets see how this is brought out in court.</i></p>
<p>Stewart claims police shot first and that he did not know they were police.</p>
<p>That says a lot more about what his state of mind might have been at the time.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Mangels</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/11/02/morning-links-690/comment-page-1/#comment-4060588</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred Mangels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 21:34:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;&lt;i&gt;Wilson she said she “could not recall” if she told investigators prior to the police raid about Stewart’s dislike for the government and his comment about shooting them if they came into his home.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;.

I&#039;d say that says quite a bit about what his state of mind might have been at the time. Lets see how this is brought out in court.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;<i>Wilson she said she “could not recall” if she told investigators prior to the police raid about Stewart’s dislike for the government and his comment about shooting them if they came into his home.</i>&#8220;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d say that says quite a bit about what his state of mind might have been at the time. Lets see how this is brought out in court.</p>
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		<title>By: Burgers Allday</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/11/02/morning-links-690/comment-page-1/#comment-4060529</link>
		<dc:creator>Burgers Allday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 21:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Stacy Wilson tipped off police to Stewart’s alleged marijuana growing operation, which led the strike force to obtain a search warrant.

&quot;[Stewart] told me that if the police ever came to his house he would go out shooting. He would not go out alive,&quot; Wilson testified.


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Wilson said that Stewart thought that &quot;the government and the police officers were all corrupt. He was very against the government. He didn’t like the IRS, he didn’t like police officers at all... that they were just power hungry and we lived in a police state.&quot;

On cross-examination, Wilson she said she &quot;could not recall&quot; if she told investigators prior to the police raid about Stewart’s dislike for the government and his comment about shooting them if they came into his home.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stacy Wilson tipped off police to Stewart’s alleged marijuana growing operation, which led the strike force to obtain a search warrant.</p>
<p>&#8220;[Stewart] told me that if the police ever came to his house he would go out shooting. He would not go out alive,&#8221; Wilson testified.</p>
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<p>Wilson said that Stewart thought that &#8220;the government and the police officers were all corrupt. He was very against the government. He didn’t like the IRS, he didn’t like police officers at all&#8230; that they were just power hungry and we lived in a police state.&#8221;</p>
<p>On cross-examination, Wilson she said she &#8220;could not recall&#8221; if she told investigators prior to the police raid about Stewart’s dislike for the government and his comment about shooting them if they came into his home.</p>
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		<title>By: red</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/11/02/morning-links-690/comment-page-1/#comment-4060502</link>
		<dc:creator>red</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 21:11:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Watch this video of a home owner driving off a home invasion gang:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuhKCiY-lu0&amp;feature=related

As seen in this video, charging after your attackers is normal human behavior.  Once you have a group on the run you keep pursuing until they are out of your territory.  Works the same way for both animals and humans.  

It&#039;s likely that Stewart discovered that it was cops he was chasing once he ran to his front door and he probably never fired a shot after that point.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Watch this video of a home owner driving off a home invasion gang:<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuhKCiY-lu0&#038;feature=related" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuhKCiY-lu0&#038;feature=related</a></p>
<p>As seen in this video, charging after your attackers is normal human behavior.  Once you have a group on the run you keep pursuing until they are out of your territory.  Works the same way for both animals and humans.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s likely that Stewart discovered that it was cops he was chasing once he ran to his front door and he probably never fired a shot after that point.</p>
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		<title>By: divadab</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/11/02/morning-links-690/comment-page-1/#comment-4060369</link>
		<dc:creator>divadab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 20:35:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For six plants, this man Stewart suffered a military invasion of his home, which he courageously fought off. When will the rest of us figure out how to end this army of occupation which has taken over the USA? Consider this: the United States government has decreed most of its founders to be criminals. Why? Because they grew hemp. The hemp that clothed the Continental Army, made sails and cordage for the US Navy, and was woven into the first flag of the Republic. 

When did the redcoats re-take America? How can we get this government that is a tool of monopoly capital interests off our backs?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For six plants, this man Stewart suffered a military invasion of his home, which he courageously fought off. When will the rest of us figure out how to end this army of occupation which has taken over the USA? Consider this: the United States government has decreed most of its founders to be criminals. Why? Because they grew hemp. The hemp that clothed the Continental Army, made sails and cordage for the US Navy, and was woven into the first flag of the Republic. </p>
<p>When did the redcoats re-take America? How can we get this government that is a tool of monopoly capital interests off our backs?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 20:01:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The police consider traveling around the country stealing from people a business. Might we prosecute them under RICO?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The police consider traveling around the country stealing from people a business. Might we prosecute them under RICO?</p>
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		<title>By: MikeV</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/11/02/morning-links-690/comment-page-1/#comment-4060232</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 19:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sounds like the Ogden police went looking for trouble and found a lot more than they wanted.

Whatever Stewart&#039;s motives really are, I&#039;m inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt.  Shooting armed men breaking into your home seems reasonable to me.

If he was shooting from the house into the street, so what?  Had they surrendered so that they were no longer a threat?  Were their arms up in the air?  Were they just attempting to retreat?  Or were they still armed and shooting back at him?  If they were shooting at him, he was still justified in shooting at them in self defense.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like the Ogden police went looking for trouble and found a lot more than they wanted.</p>
<p>Whatever Stewart&#8217;s motives really are, I&#8217;m inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt.  Shooting armed men breaking into your home seems reasonable to me.</p>
<p>If he was shooting from the house into the street, so what?  Had they surrendered so that they were no longer a threat?  Were their arms up in the air?  Were they just attempting to retreat?  Or were they still armed and shooting back at him?  If they were shooting at him, he was still justified in shooting at them in self defense.</p>
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		<title>By: mud man</title>
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		<dc:creator>mud man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 19:48:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Whatever, Stewart would be the guy I want in my platoon. How about that Ogden cop who emptied his gun without knowing what he was shooting? Of course there&#039;s no budget to give these guys any real training.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whatever, Stewart would be the guy I want in my platoon. How about that Ogden cop who emptied his gun without knowing what he was shooting? Of course there&#8217;s no budget to give these guys any real training.</p>
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		<title>By: Burgers Allday</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/11/02/morning-links-690/comment-page-1/#comment-4059629</link>
		<dc:creator>Burgers Allday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 18:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the police are claiming that Stewart had 16 plants, not six.

I don&#039;t necessarily believe he had any plants.

I am highly skeptical of the claim that he was shooting outside of his house, but we will see.  Defo not willing to take the word of the police on that, and that is all we have so far.

Without police video of the relevant parts of the raid, I am inclined to take Stewart&#039;s work over the word of the police about any part the police chose not to video (or chose to destroy the video and then claim it never existed).

We know from the Todd Blair case that this particular team owned operation helmet cams.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the police are claiming that Stewart had 16 plants, not six.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t necessarily believe he had any plants.</p>
<p>I am highly skeptical of the claim that he was shooting outside of his house, but we will see.  Defo not willing to take the word of the police on that, and that is all we have so far.</p>
<p>Without police video of the relevant parts of the raid, I am inclined to take Stewart&#8217;s work over the word of the police about any part the police chose not to video (or chose to destroy the video and then claim it never existed).</p>
<p>We know from the Todd Blair case that this particular team owned operation helmet cams.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie O</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlie O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 16:48:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I, personally, would love to read more stories in the news like the Ogden, UT raid. Daily, in fact. It&#039;s time for Americans to fight back against the armed thugs who break down doors, kill our pets, kill our loved ones. Send them all to the hospital or the morgue. Either one suits me fine.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, personally, would love to read more stories in the news like the Ogden, UT raid. Daily, in fact. It&#8217;s time for Americans to fight back against the armed thugs who break down doors, kill our pets, kill our loved ones. Send them all to the hospital or the morgue. Either one suits me fine.</p>
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