One Demerit for Democracy

Thursday, November 1st, 2012


Barack Obama supporters denounce Mitt Romney for holding positions . . . held by Barack Obama.


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24 Responses to “One Demerit for Democracy”

  1. #1 |  Ghost | 

    Every anti-war, civil liberties democrat I know is voting 3rd party. All 2 of them.

  2. #2 |  Jess | 

    This is amusing, but in fairness, one could go to Branson or SLC or some other busy flyover spot and get the exact same result with Romney policies described as Obama policies.

    Of course I’m voting for Gary Johnson.

  3. #3 |  Marty | 

    if he would’ve had a paper with all the questionable policies (and backgrounds) to hand them at the end, I think this would’ve been even better. or, maybe hand the twits a copy of the video of them waffling.

    Very well done.

  4. #4 |  Kevin | 

    The saddest part is how few of them, if any, would change their vote as a result of this information. As they say, politics isn’t so much about policy as it is mood affiliation. People mostly vote for the candidate that it gives them fuzzy, positive feelings to vote for.

  5. #5 |  The Late Andy Rooney | 

    It’s always good to show the folly of the “Team Blue vs. Team Red” mentality, but I think these folks conducted themselves far better than they’re being given credit for.

    The goateed black man conceded he doesn’t agree with Obama on everything, but likes him overall. The Belizean in the superhero costume admitted he was shocked, and that the claims, if true, are “really messed up.” The bearded Yankees fan said he disagreed with Obama’s policies on indefinite detention and drones, but would vote for him for other reasons. The glasses-wearing brunette lost her enthusiasm and admitted she didn’t like Obama’s policies. The guy with glasses said he would rethink his support for Obama.The blonde on the left (who looks a lot like the young woman in “Goodfellas” who refuses to fly without her lucky hat) said she’ll vote for him, despite disagreeing on indefinite detention, drones, etc., while the blonde on the right seemed to show surprise and disappointment (via her hand gestures) upon hearing Obama supported those policies. The only one who remained in complete denial was the black man with the earring, who stated that “those are not facts.”

    Of course, all this confusion could have been avoided if they’d read this blog and/or Glenn Greenwald.

  6. #6 |  damaged justice | 

    This is amusing, but in fairness, one could go to Branson or SLC or some other busy flyover spot and get the exact same result with Romney policies described as Obama policies.

    Yes, one could. You should get right on that.

  7. #7 |  Judas Peckerwood | 

    Why aren’t voters required to pass the basic civics test that foreigners applying for U.S. citizenship have to pass? It would certainly weed out a lot of the deadwood losers who have no business selecting our elected leaders. I’m fine with letting the failures continue choosing the winners of Dancing with the Stars and American Idol, but keep their ignorant paws off of our government.

  8. #8 |  Felix | 

    First off: this idea that people should vote on the issues is pathetic, boring, and naive. People don’t get a checklist of policies to vote for which are fed into a robot which controls the world for four years, they get one vote for one of two candidates, based on campaign speeches over six months or a year — what are people supposed to do? All they can do is vote for whoever they think will handle the next four years most capably, and they have to base that on the candidates’ personality, nothing more.

    Yes, these people are ignorant, but it doesn’t matter — if they had known what Romney’s positions were, they would also have known what Obama’s positions were, and that they were the same. But they didn’t know either because neither matters. All they get is one lousy feeble vote, which is the most pathetic feedback possible. Imagine all your shopping, for food, clothes, cars, house, everything, came down to one vote every four years for either WalMart or Kmart, with Target an outlier because it is too radical a difference. Would it matter that both had the exact same rayon/cotton/spandex blend in their underwear?

    And as for requiring a civics test, what a load of ignorance there too! By all means, add a test which is as subjective as hell, far more open to corruption than literacy tests. The Citizens United haters are model free speech proponents in comparison to the idea of limiting voting by some arbitrary test administered by the very bureaucrats who would be affected by the vote.

  9. #9 |  el coronado | 

    Wait….have I got this right? Some of y’all are *defending* the dumbshits brigade marching across that video?? Or, as in comment #8, trying to spin their jawdropping stupidity into a Ringing Indictment of All That’s Wrong With America?? Interesting….Now why would anyone feel a (dare we say ‘pavlovian’) need to do that, I wonder.

  10. #10 |  Herb | 

    What a joke…..You know you don’t have a winning argument when you have to trick people like this.

    Gary Johnson is the only candidate that would roll-back Bush’s war-on-terror stuff and he’s going to be lucky to get a million votes nationwide.

    I dunno….maybe you should conclude the popularity of your agenda has been vastly overstated.

  11. #11 |  Radley Balko | 

    You know you don’t have a winning argument when you have to trick people like this.

    I would say it’s a good indication that most people don’t know who is making what arguments.

  12. #12 |  James Hare | 

    “I dunno….maybe you should conclude the popularity of your agenda has been vastly overstated.”

    I don’t think most folks reading here would argue their preferred policy agenda is popular – they’re more prone to arguing that everyone who disagrees with them is stupid or evil. I think most understand that radical libertarianism has a very limited audience in the US.

  13. #13 |  Nick T. | 

    This really reminded me of the Orwell quote how people don’t defend the evil policies of their side, they’ve mostly never even heard of them.

  14. #14 |  Herb | 

    “I would say it’s a good indication that most people don’t know who is making what arguments.”


    Perhaps also a good indication of how people respond to how arguments are framed.

  15. #15 |  Dave T | 

    Nick: maybe so but at the end of the video a few of them rushed in to throw out other policies they did support (such as the PPACA) and that’s why they still support Obama any ways even though his record on foreign policy and civil rights is absolutely abysmal. I think the cognitive dissonance is telling.

    Would love to see various PPACA regulations thrown at them as well to find out if they actually support those too or if it’s just the feel-goodness of the law (that some say won’t even significantly expand insurance coverage to the current uninsured).

  16. #16 |  johnl | 

    It would have been better to hit Romney supporters with a similar interview at the same time, just taking whoever you got, and hitting them with questions for them. Hey, Libertarians, what so you think about putting every resident of the country on an allowance from the federal government? Because that’s what your nominee wants to do.

  17. #17 |  Kent | 

    Having a super majority of civil right despising conservatives on the supreme court worries me more than either Romney or Obama do, they are going to do whatever the military industrial complex tells them to do regardless, therefore I voted against Romney, not for Obama, otherwise I would have wasted my vote on Gary Johnson.

  18. #18 |  megs | 

    Hopeful part – there are quite a number of pro-liberty, anti-war opinions still out there! Even if both Romney and Obama are apparently pro-war and unlimited presidential power.

    Sad part – Health insurance is more important.

  19. #19 |  Johnny Clamboat | 

    Kent, you wasted your vote when you voted for someone you didn’t believe in.

    The moral action is to stay home.

  20. #20 |  Calvin | 

    I like that this post is immediately preceded by a post concurring with the little girl crying that she’s tired of Obama and Romney.

    “This election is awful! Also, here’s another retread of the video type showing voters aren’t clued in to all their nominee’s policies!”

  21. #21 |  Kent | 

    Johnny, morally…. whether I like the candidates or not I’m voting because I believe that it’s the right thing to do, the right to vote didn’t come easy. Besides, future supreme court appointments are too important to sit this one out. I’d like my grandkids to have a few civil rights left by the time they reach adulthood. Plus, our family pays lots of taxes, I at least like to imagine for one day that I have a say in my cruddy government.

  22. #22 |  Personanongrata | 

    Ignorance is bliss.

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  24. #24 |  Stan | 

    This is clearly not an Obama vs Romney thing.
    Yes, they were tricked because of the way the question was framed, but it’s still a great example about how naive people are, regardless of education.

    It’s no wonder we don’t expect more of our leaders.