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Tuesday, October 23rd, 2012
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  1. #1 |  David | 

    If Radley Balko (and other readers of this site) knows full well that the media lies en masse about crimes and criminology….why suddenly believe that same media when they’re viciously slandering boy scouts or Catholic priests?

    They lie. All the time. And then the tort lawyers can find tons of loser dudes who can’t hold a job who’ll miraculously have “recovered memories” of how they were molested by this Troop Leader or that priest, and then the institution is bullied into paying these liars and losers millions just to avoid the embarrassment. Then, the script becomes complete when the American public cheers this charade on.

    (Of course, you’ll NEVER hear about Jewish child molestation – approved by the Talmud, any more than you heard about the Jewish Syracuse basketball coach and boy raper Bernie Fine – whose wife is on public audio hoping her husband finds a “nice gay boy” to molest. But when the perp is a gentile, the media will breathlessly carry on about Jerry Sandusky and have countless op-eds laughing about how he should be raped in prison. Bernie’s a Jew so he faced zero criminal charges and ESPN literally shelved the story, Jerry ain’t and so he’s in jail for life. That is the whole explanation of why.)

  2. #2 |  jesse | 

    Alright David seemed to come off the rails there, I don’t know where Zionism fits in with rampant molestation. And it isn’t only on the gay side of the spectrum, I’m quite certain that garden-variety heterosexual is probably much more prolific simply based on the numbers. For an example, swimming has long had a major problem with male coaches victimizing female swimmers in one way or another.

  3. #3 |  jesse | 

    After the Italian case, one would expect that now we’ll simply be directed to have the maximum alarmist response to any potential natural phenomenon, no matter how ridiculous. 4″ of snow on the way, make sure you have a month of canned soup on hand.

  4. #4 |  C. S. P. Schofield | 

    I was never a boy scout, and had scant use for them in my youth, but I would like to point out;

    A) An organization like the Boy Scouts that has had multiple incidents of child abuse is likely to be more than a trifle gun-shy.

    and

    B) The Gay political movement has done Gays no favors by flirting, on and off, with NAMBLA

    given those two points, I don’t see that the Scouts organization’s reaction to Gay applicants would even have to be attributed to religious bigotry.

    aside; I predict that, in my lifetime, there will be a scandal about molestation in the Public Schools, with percentages exceeding (if not by much) those associated with the Catholic scandals.

  5. #5 |  Radley Balko | 

    The Gay political movement has done Gays no favors by flirting, on and off, with NAMBLA

    Really? Can you show me when and where a prominent gay rights group has “flirted” with NAMBLA?

    This sounds like an unsubstantiated Bill O’Reilly talking point.

  6. #6 |  Radley Balko | 

    ESPN devoted an entire episode of Outside the Lines to investigating Bernie Fine. Fine was also fired from his job. He was investigated by the Secret Service, the FBI and local prosecutors. He wasn’t prosecuted because the statute of limitations had expired on the initial allegations, and because the third accuser later admitted he had made the whole thing up.

    On the other hand, the Catholic Church has admitted it helped cover up the crimes of hundreds of pedophile priests. You saw that, didn’t you David? That the Church itself has admitted its crimes? And the Boy Scouts story comes not from the allegations of accusers, but from the organization’s own records.

    In other words, David, your theory that it’s all a Jewish conspiracy is every bit the bullshit antisemitism it appears to be.

  7. #7 |  The Late Andy Rooney | 

    One piece of good news: the charges were dropped against the young man beaten by police in a Brooklyn synagogue.

  8. #8 |  omar | 

    @#5 Radley

    There was a very brief period around the time of the Stonewall riots where pedophiles were tacitly welcomed into the group of rejected others in the queer community of New York City. It’s one of C. S. P. Schofield favorite talking points, it has no bearing on things 50 years since, and he knows it.

  9. #9 |  David | 

    You missed one TINY detail in your glowing praise of ESPN: they only aired that ‘Outside the Lines’ ten years AFTER they conducted the interview with your admitted boy-molesting buddy Bernie Fine.

    You lied again when you said the statute of limitations had passed. Sorry, chief, but there is no statute of limitations for child molestation.

    You then said that everything is okay with Bernie Fine because the government investigated it and, well, they said it’s okay that he molests boys, and so you’re okay with it, too. Well, that’s fine that you take comfort in the government’s word. On the other hand, when his wife is on audio talking openly about her husband satisfying his hunger for young boys, I don’t give a f— what your heroic government says.

    You then just began spitting out useless media talking points about the Catholic Church. Yeah, right: the media never lied about the Catholic priests. Dude, the media slandered countless innocent, good priests, and countless false accusers were enabled by that media and lawsuit-happy lawyers who made these slandering animals rich. I’m sure you care deeply about these victims of this evil, evil slander.

    You finally closed with some mindless babble about “conspiracies” (because nobody ever conspires) and you appeared to be prostrating yourself before Jews. Enjoy yourself there, chief.

  10. #10 |  Andrew S. | 

    Who let Stormfront David in here?

  11. #11 |  David | 

    Yeah, Stormfront, the “New Black Panthers”, and the “Muslim Brotherhood”.

    The boogeymen for cowed idiots, everywhere.

  12. #12 |  Andrew S. | 

    So either you’re from Stormfront or you’re just a garden-variety anti-Semite. Or maybe you’re a pissed off Georgetown fan. I dunno.

    But your rantings make so little sense I’m not sure what else to say about them.

  13. #13 |  David | 

    That’s, uh, hilarious.

    Yeah, so anyway, Bernie Fine likes young boys and the media covered it up and he was never prosecuted, and he got full benefits in his firing.

    And thanks for calling total strangers names without provocation. Awesome.

  14. #14 |  johnl | 

    For every Jew that does something bad, there will be 20 Catholics that do the same bad thing, just because of demographics. So it can create the appearance that the RCC is targeted for attacks in the press, or that the RCC is more negligent than other organizations.

  15. #15 |  Andrew S. | 

    No accusation against Bernie fine was ever proven. There were four accusers. Two have already admitted they lied, and the third was proven to lie. As for the fourth, the original accuser from a decade ago, there was never any evidence that anything occurred before he was of age, and evidence suggests that his accusations come down to blackmail.

    ESPN and the Syracuse Post-Standard didn’t report on this 10 years ago because it would have gone against the basic ethics of journalism to do so with the evidence they had at the time. The Syracuse PD investigated in 2004-2005 and again this year, and the feds investigated this year, all without finding a case.

    ESPN came back at this last year via Mark Schwarz (Hey, David, with a name like that, guess what religion he is!) with a little new evidence, most of which they made up. They’ve been ridiculed since, mostly by Jason Whitlock, decidedly non-Jewish reporter.

    His name is mud. He’ll never coach again in the United States.

    And there is a statute of limitations on child molestation. Usually it’s when the accuser turns 28 years old. It’s why this year’s investigations involved only the third accuser, who was a child molester himself. He said that it happened, then he said it didn’t happen, then he said it did happen, then he said it didn’t happen, and then he said it happened. He’s not exactly the most reliable person.

  16. #16 |  C. S. P. Schofield | 

    Mr. Balko and Omar;

    The decision to include NAMBLA in the Gay umbrella fifty years ago (more or less) is one of those things that taints a movement more or less permanently. It ain’t fair. I don’t claim that it’s fair. But it affects how people think about the associated movement, and whining about it doesn’t fix things. Further, I should like to point out that the fight over the Boy Scouts exclusion of Gays is ALSO going on fifty years old.

    The Boy Scouts have an absolute right to exclude Gays, or Blacks, or Episcopalians. They also have an absolute right to lose all the ‘special arrangements’ they have had with local, state, and federal agencies because they are unrepentant bigots.

    But implying that their child abuse troubles make their anti-Gay position somehow ridiculous seems stone-headed to me. Given the ‘square’ perception of Gays (which Gays frequently play into), their position makes perfect sense. I think they are wrong, but not silly.

  17. #17 |  Andrew S. | 

    As for “Jewish Child Molestation”, yes, it happens, and it’s an embarassment. The ultra-orthodox communities in Israel and in the US (like in Brooklyn) are completely insular and have a terrible record of protecting molestors and forcing victims into silence. And it’s a damn shame.

    But why the anti-Semetic Jews-control-the-media stuff? I really wish we controlled everything. I’d probably be more successful than I am in life.

  18. #18 |  Mattocracy | 

    Jesus David, you’re worse than all ofhte other trolls who come here combined. That third paragraph in post #9 is a prime example.

  19. #19 |  David | 

    Bernie Fine wasn’t really a child molestor! You heard it here from Andrew S, first!

    This individual is obviously a liar and it’s illogical to debate a liar. I will say, though, to any lurkers: make no mistake that Bernie Fine is a rabid molester of boys. If you’re curious on the matter, please feel free to research it yourselves. Andrew S. obviously has great empathy for child molesters, but that’s his business, not mine.

    As far as the rest of that post, he seemed to again be saying that Jews never molest boys and the Jewish-owned media conspires against Jews. So, yeah. Good post there.

  20. #20 |  MassHole | 

    C. S. P. Schofield

    “The decision to include NAMBLA in the Gay umbrella fifty years ago (more or less) is one of those things that taints a movement more or less permanently.”

    With all due respect, that’s a bunch of hogwash. That’s like saying all Germans living today are tainted by the Nazi’s.

    Find me a major gay rights organization that doesn’t condemn NAMBLA.

  21. #21 |  omar | 

    The decision to include NAMBLA in the Gay umbrella fifty years ago (more or less) is one of those things that taints a movement more or less permanently.

    No, it doesn’t. “The decision to include NAMBLA in the Gay umbrella” was not an official decision by committee put forth by a vote by a national community. This was a bunch of people hanging out in clubs hiding from the vice cops during a time of persecution and riots. It was short-lived, and once people in the gay community realized whom they were standing next to, the pedophiles were expelled. You know this, but you write like association with pedophiles is what keeps the American public from taking the modern gay rights movement seriously.

    If you want to insist on digging this up every few months like it’s some important piece of neglected history, please show us where anyone from NAMBLA has made a significant impact on the gay rights movement.

  22. #22 |  Andrew S. | 

    Congrats, David. That’s both a terriible display of trolling and the worst display of reading comprehension I’ve ever seen.

  23. #23 |  Boyd Durkin | 

    Good to see Italy crack down on earthquakes. Now, for the love of all that is holy, I hope to see them take weathermen down off their high horses.

    How has the Gay movement flirted with NAMBLA…and why? That’s barking up the wrong tree. Those dudes only like kids.

  24. #24 |  Chris C. | 

    On another topic, that of McGovern’s philosophical move toward a more libertarian position, it seems we may be able to add a third one-liner meme:
    1. A conservative is a liberal who has been mugged.
    2. A liberal is a conservative who has been beaten by police.
    and the new one is
    3. A libertarian is a liberal (or conservative) who has been regulated out of business.

  25. #25 |  el coronado | 

    Oh, super. Gay/child molester chat, with a sprinkling of ‘Jooooz vs. Catholics’ thrown in to boot. Just what we all need to talk about in great detail.

    On other topics, the outrage (from the scientific community) over the Italian scientists getting convicted for…..whatever the hell it was….is interesting. When a scientist, (or even better a “consensus” of scientists!), makes a stupid-ass prediction like, say, “Nothing can prevent famines in which hundreds of millions will die in the 1970’s” – Paul Ehrlich, ‘Population Bomb’, 1968 – or “The threat of a new Ice Age [will be] a likely source of wholesale Death and Misery for Mankind” – ‘Environmentalist’ Nigel Calder, 1969 – or any of the thousands of global warming (LOL) scare quotes out there……

    Whenever a scientist/advocate/bullshit artist says something like that, he/they expect their proclamations to be taken seriously. They have advanced degrees! They head up University departments! They have tenure! They know big words!

    But when someone – like an Italian Court, say – when someone dares to hold them *accountable* for their predictions & actions or lack thereof, suddenly it’s a different story. “They’re just theories! Predictions! *Guesses*, really! We couldn’t come out and tell people to run. We might have been wrong. It would have been irresponsible of us.” etc etc

    I love the smell of irony in the morning.

  26. #26 |  Yizmo Gizmo | 

    Prosecutors said the defendants gave a falsely reassuring statement before the quake, while the defence maintained there was no way to predict major quakes.


    Cmon only Joe Strummer knew about Earthquake Weather, and
    he’s dead.

    In the news SC cops no longer making public mugshots because
    Extortion Website vultures use them as poker chips.
    “Columbia, SC (WLTX) — Richland County’s jail has stopped posting inmate photos as public record after county leaders say national mugshot websites are using them to charge you a fee to remove them regardless if you are innocent or not.”

  27. #27 |  Boyd Durkin | 

    is what keeps the American public from taking the modern gay rights movement seriously.

    I’m “pro-Gay”, but this is hyperbole. Gay Rights movement is being taken seriously. Meanwhile, people looking to truly have freedom over their consensual relationships—like supporting civil unions for everyone and state-declared marriage for no one, allowing for multi-partner civil unions, and the majority of “small government libertarian causes” related to sexual freedoms) are, hypocritically, being shunned by a lot (maybe most) of the Gay Rights movement.

    I know, we’re not talking about they hypocrisy of most LGBT organizations, but it’s there, man.

  28. #28 |  el coronado | 

    In re McGovern –

    If I’m reading it right, what turned McGovern from a loony-left hardcore statist hippie to freedom-lovin’ Libertarian was his attempt to open & run a business. Where he then got to deal with all the regulatory & megatax overkill bullshit he’d *championed* for the entirety of his political career. Another well-meaning liberal got his childlike political views mugged by…. reality. Heh. RIP George McG, but….

    I love the smell of irony in the morning.

  29. #29 |  Mike T | 

    Prosecutors said the defendants gave a falsely reassuring statement before the quake, while the defence maintained there was no way to predict major quakes.

    In other words, the Italian legal system is doing something which our own legal system should be doing here: prosecuting government officials who lied to the public and thus created a situation for citizens to get killed by acting on that information.

    As pointed out on Vox Day’s blog, contra the way it is presented here and elsewhere, the prosecutors have made it clear that they are in no way shape or form prosecuting scientists for being ignorant. Rather they are prosecuting them for accepting a position of public influence and lying to the public in a way that got 300 people killed.

  30. #30 |  Mike T | 

    I know, we’re not talking about they hypocrisy of most LGBT organizations, but it’s there, man.

    It is among libertarians in spades on LGBT, as most libertarians willfully disregard the aggressive statism of most LGBT groups. But then, most libertarians hate social conservatives enough that they ignore the rabid statism of mainstream LGBT and feminist activists because they think there is enough rhetorical commonality between them. The actual tactics and stated end goals notwithstanding…

  31. #31 |  omar | 

    #27 | Boyd Durkin |

    I’m “pro-Gay”, but this is hyperbole. Gay Rights movement is being taken seriously.

    I agree, the gay rights movement is being taken seriously. It’s silly to pretend otherwise. But C. S. P. Schofield is a silly person who has a history of making implying that the movement is not taken seriously because of flamboyant gays and pedophiles. I was addressing his point on what I see as his own terms, not agreeing with the sentiment. I should have been clearer.

    To quote the man himself

    Frankly, Gay Rights activists have a HUGE image problem, and need to start addressing it seriously, soon. The whack-jobs in the assless chaps, or pierced nipples, or B&D Nun’s Habits need to be told to stay home from Gay Pride events, unless Gays are willing to be saddled with a reputation for being tacky morons. The Politically Gay need to make SURE that the public is conscious that the Gay Rights movement has nothing to do with NAMBLA – why they EVER let those jerks anywhere near a Pride event is beyond me.

  32. #32 |  C. S. P. Schofield | 

    Charles Lindbergh associated, briefly, with the Silver Shirts before the outbreak of WWII. He is still widely branded as a ‘Nazi”. A few of the Politically Gay made a serious tactical mistake in the 1970’s, and it has (rightly or wrongly) colored people’s opinions of them since. Moreover, as I pointed out previously, the Boy Scouts fight DATES to the 1970’s. It was contemporaneous with that brief mistake.

    Speaking of unfortunate Gay history; The ‘Bug Chaser’ story that dates back to a 2003 Rolling Stone story … are there other people here who think that it smells an awful lot like a Gay person with a questionable sense of humor sold a bill of goods to a credulous reporter (shades of Roland Burton Hedley, III)?

  33. #33 |  Andrew S. | 

    Mike T, except that’s really not what happened.

    What they said was that another big earthquake was possible, but that it wasn’t likely in the shot term, but that they had no way of knowing. The prosecutors saying that is about as truthful as Holder saying the DOJ only prosecutes medical marijuana cases where there’s a violation of state law.

  34. #34 |  el coronado | 

    @Omar –

    First off, I find CSP”s commentary to be usually pretty common-sense. Second, your highlighted quote of his “silliness” – Srsly? – actually just highlights why *you’re* the “silly” fellow here. If suggesting that a (largely political) movement downplay its more flamboyant/aggressive proponents is “silly”, then why – pray tell – why o why hasn’t the Obama campaign run a crapload of ads featuring the famous leatherlunged snaggletoothed Cleveland YouTube harridan trumpeting the “Free Obama phones!” as well as, of course, “Romney *sucks*, man! *I* don’t know why! He just _does_!”

    Why haven’t they embraced her? Spotlighted her and her message? Put her onstage with The One True Lightbringer? Hmmm? Is it ’cause they’re silly?

  35. #35 |  The Late Andy Rooney | 

    C.S.P. Schofield:
    I was under the impression the bug chaser story had long since been discredited. It was simply one of those “bogus trend” stories (like the ones Jack Shafer is always exposing), in which 2+ examples constitute “a disturbing new trend” in society.

  36. #36 |  Mike T | 

    What they said was that another big earthquake was possible, but that it wasn’t likely in the shot term, but that they had no way of knowing.

    Obviously whatever they actually said was sufficiently reassuring that the citizens of that town stopped their centuries old ritual of evacuating their buildings at the first tremors.

  37. #37 |  Andrew S. | 

    CSP: The Boy Scout files actually go back to 1965.

  38. #38 |  Andrew S. | 

    Mike T, then the people were idiots. Doesn’t mean the scientists should be prosecuted.

  39. #39 |  David | 

    The statement the scientists were prosecuted for, according to NBC’s article (since I don’t speak Italian, I’m relying on translations) was that the tremors the town was experiencing were probably not the foreshocks of an impending quake. Sometimes minor shocks presage a major quake, more often they don’t, and it’s not possible to tell which kind you’re looking at except in hindsight. They didn’t say “it’s perfectly safe and an earthquake will definitely not happen,” but “these tremors happen every so often, most of the time there’s no earthquake afterward, and anybody who tells you that they know which kind is which is lying.” The idea that they can be prosecuted at all, much less successfully prosecuted, for truthfully saying “we don’t know what’s going to happen” is insane.

  40. #40 |  C. S. P. Schofield | 

    The Late Andy Rooney,

    I am very grateful for the news. I hadn’t kept track of it, so I missed the de-bunking. Is there any indication that, as I suspected, somebody pulled a ‘Zonker Harris’ on some real-life Roland Burton Hedley, III?

  41. #41 |  Radley Balko | 

    most libertarians willfully disregard the aggressive statism of most LGBT groups.

    I don’t see any evidence of this. Supporting gay marriage is not the same thing as embracing every other policy pushed by LGBT groups.

    I mean, I also believe interracial marriage should be legal, but that doesn’t mean I support everything else the NAACP supports.

    I’ve seen plenty of libertarians speak out against hate crimes laws. (And that includes plenty of gay libertarians.) Libertarians were also quick to criticize the mayors who were flirting with barring Chick fil A from their cities because of the owner’s opposition to gay marriage.

    I also think you’re wrong about libertarians and social conservatives. Yes, most libertarians vehemently disagree with them. That’s why we’re libertarians. But nearly all libertarians I know sided with social conservatives in the debate over mandating that health insurance companies cover birth control.

  42. #42 |  Radley Balko | 

    Goodbye, David.

  43. #43 |  Mike T | 

    #41,

    Supporting gay marriage is not the same thing as embracing every other policy pushed by LGBT groups.

    The existing laws governing marriage are already incompatible with libertarianism. Expanding them to include homosexuals not only expands those that are subject to them personally/as couples, but also brings in other issues such as forcing businesses to accommodate them. Granted, there is an element of overlap there with anti-discrimination laws, but mainstream LGBT include that in their agenda. I don’t think you can cherry pick here the way you seem to imply.

    #39,

    The statement the scientists were prosecuted for, according to NBC’s article (since I don’t speak Italian, I’m relying on translations) was that the tremors the town was experiencing were probably not the foreshocks of an impending quake.

    And most of the articles I’ve seen have said that they’re accused of actually downplaying the threat, not saying “we don’t know.”

  44. #44 |  Nancy Lebovitz | 

    Off topic: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/10/solitary-confinement-shane-bauer

    Solitary confinement as torture. Also, the flimsy “evidence” used to sentence people to solitary confinement.

    Charles, you’re talking about the gay rights movement being “tainted” as though it’s something that just happens. You’re spreading the taint, and ignoring that the association with NAMBLA is from fifty years ago and didn’t last long. You’re also ignoring that fifty year old events aren’t as vivid to a lot of people as they might be to you and me, for tolerably obvious reasons.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Lindbergh

    Lindbergh seems to have been pretty fond of the Nazis. It wasn’t a brief mistake.

  45. #45 |  The Late Andy Rooney | 

    C.S.P. Schofield:
    I’ve heard people discuss bug chasing as recently as 3 years ago, so it’s a story that remains out there. There are plenty of reporters with a Roland Hedley-like sense of their own importance, always wanting to be the first one to report on something new, exciting, and dangerous, so there’s a possibility you are right.

    Another potential origin for the bug chasing story is Andrew Solomon’s book, “The Noonday Demon.” Suffering from depression and trying to end his own life, Solomon attempted to contract HIV by having sex with a random male stranger. Fortunately, he did not get infected, and the experience helped lead him to get treated for depression.

    His book was published in 2001, so it’s possible someone took that one case and ran with it until it developed a life of its own. As I recall, the bug chasers discussed in the Rolling Stone article had far more ambiguous motives than did Solomon. For some of them, there was almost a sort of status attached to HIV. I’d be curious to take a second look at the article, and see whether or not Shafer gave any kind of response to it.

  46. #46 |  C. S. P. Schofield | 

    The Late Andy Rooney,

    I’m sorry it can’t be pinned down any better; as a cautionary tale about running stories like vodka-tampons past your common sense it would be priceless. I’d also like to be sure that there aren’t pockets of ostentatiously self-destructive Gays. With the occasional Gay academic twits writing about how ‘transgressive sex is an revolutionary act’ the possibility is disturbing. Academics, particularly those not in the hard sciences, have to write that kind of thing, but they occasionally get taken far too seriously.

  47. #47 |  Helmut O' Hooligan | 

    #42 Radley Balko: “Goodbye, David.”

    Good riddance to David. I HATE internet Nazis!

  48. #48 |  MikeV | 

    Obama vs. Romney:

    “lay hands on the arc of history and bend it once more to the hope of a better day.”

    “It is the responsibility of our president to use America’s great power to shape history”

  49. #49 |  Frank N | 

    Who left these comments?

    Where are the Monkey Butlers?

    Take a few years off and everything is different….but nothing changed.

  50. #50 |  David T | 

    The Boy Scouts of Canada have been welcoming gays for years as members and leaders. There is a troop in Toronto especially established to support gays, the entire troop is gay…or lesbian(co-ed troop)

  51. #51 |  David T | 

    the rest of the post; The Boy Scouts of America have been taken over by the right side of the Christian church, no gays or atheists welcome. Most other scouting movements are much friendlier and less bigoted. The BSA are a bit of a pariah with the international movement.

  52. #52 |  el coronado | 

    Congratulations, Frank, that was maybe the most *seriously* non-linear comment I’ve ever seen on the internet.

    Like Hunter S. Thompson stoked up on acid, tequila, and ‘ludes, trying to write haiku. You the MAN, dog!

  53. #53 |  crzyb0b | 

    The “Cult of Obama” meme is right wing propaganda made from whole cloth. It only exists in the minds of fox news commentators and others who have let their political views unhinge their brains.

    BTW, who is to blame for the increasing assertions of presidential power we have seen? The obstructionist congress of course.

  54. #54 |  Mattocracy | 

    “BTW, who is to blame for the increasing assertions of presidential power we have seen? The obstructionist congress of course.”

    You mean the complicit congress, of course.

  55. #55 |  crzyb0b | 

    They didn’t say “it’s perfectly safe and an earthquake will definitely not happen,”

    Actually, those convicted DID say it, or words nearly to that effect. The geologists made a specific prediction that their would NOT be an earthquake and provided reassurances specific to that prediction.

    “When asked directly by the media if the public should sit back and enjoy a glass of wine rather than worry about earthquakes, De Bernardinis acted as sommelier: “Absolutely, absolutely a Montepulciano doc. This seems important.””

    Those convicted gave public reassurances that were unsupported by the science. Had they not, fewer people may have died. In fact, fewer people almost certainly would have died.

  56. #56 |  crzyb0b | 

    “You mean the complicit congress, of course.”

    No, I don’t. Under bush congress was complicit, under Obama the obstructionist congress that has essentially forced the presidential hand.

  57. #57 |  C. S. P. Schofield | 

    crzyb0b,

    I think that the Hagiography of Obama is a fairly open phenomenon; how else do you explain that the Left isn’t even embarrassed by the Nobel Prize he was awarded for nothing in particular? It doesn’t reach the hight of absurdity achieved by the Cult of Saint Kennedy, but it’s pretty silly.

    Obama is a third rate small time political hack with a Radical chic background and no achievements to recommend him. He has the righteousness of a Borgia pope, the ethics of a ward heeler, and the off-prompter speaking skills of Marcel Marceau. Making him look remotely presidential has required the full time connivance of the entire Left Wing media, and even then it’s patchy.

    Not that I thought he was a measurably worse choice for President than McCain. But he’s a papier mache public figure, and the sooner we can forget him the better.

  58. #58 |  Cynical in New York | 

    A little OT but heres a nice piece on the passing of native american libertarian activist Russell Means. Make sure to post it so your Paleocon and liberal friends (if you have any) to see

    http://www.examiner.com/article/russell-means-remembered-by-libertarians?CID=examiner_alerts_article

    Rockwell and Co have some words on how he was a Conservative bogey man back in the 70s

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/123863.html

  59. #59 |  Mike T | 

    #54,

    how else do you explain that the Left isn’t even embarrassed by the Nobel Prize he was awarded for nothing in particular?

    The award was almost Orwellian considering how many undeclared wars and military operations Obama started. (Oh, right, drone campaigns only count to the left when they’re being used by guys like Bush)

  60. #60 |  C. S. P. Schofield | 

    Mike T,

    What struck me was that the committee was willing to jettison, in one go, whatever remaining legitimacy the peace prize might be said to enjoy. I don’t buy the idea of an actual international conspiracy, so I have to put it down to religious hysteria.

  61. #61 |  Personanongrata | 

    False idols and loaded weapons.

    Two turd stains on the same sheet of toilet paper.

  62. #62 |  MH | 

    “The existing laws governing marriage are already incompatible with libertarianism. Expanding them to include homosexuals not only expands those that are subject to them personally/as couples, but also brings in other issues such as forcing businesses to accommodate them.”

    What is meant by this? Putting aside anti-discrimination law, which I agree is problematic for libertarians, how is gay marriage specially problematic? No one becomes gay married without choosing to do so, so unlibertarian aspects of marriage law can be avoided easily.

  63. #63 |  crazybob | 

    “no achievements to recommend him. ”

    Obamacare
    ended DADT
    Made 2 good SCOTUS appointments (instead of the political hacks of republican predecessors)
    Significant enhancements of Consumer protections
    Saved GM
    Killed Bin Laden
    Protected the US from terrorist attack
    Reformed student loans – making more money available to students and no cost to taxpayers
    THere are a lot more…

  64. #64 |  Mike T | 

    #62,

    Well for one it is no longer legal for a business to deny gay couples coverage on their benefits plan because they have a marriage license that is legally identical to the firm’s heterosexual employees. Then there is also the fact that gay couples could use that as a basis to force private adoption agencies with conflicting religious views to cooperate with them. How’s that for you?

    so unlibertarian aspects of marriage law can be avoided easily.

    Assuming they don’t live in a common law marriage state…

  65. #65 |  C. S. P. Schofield | 

    crazybob,

    I could argue most of those, point by point, but I doubt that you care. Still; ‘Saved GM’?!?. That’s supposed to be a point in his favor?!?!

  66. #66 |  Boyd Durkin | 

    Saved GM
    Killed Bin Laden
    Protected the US from terrorist attack
    Reformed student loans – making more money available to students and no cost to taxpayers

    These claims are some of the biggest reasons why Obama supporters aren’t worth talking to. This list is all bullshit that they hungrily, happily wolf down constantly and grin at you to grab a seat and join in.

    During Bush years, his supporters did the same.

    Y’all is doomed.

  67. #67 |  Boyd Durkin | 

    The “Cult of Obama” meme is right wing propaganda made from whole cloth.

    I visit reddit.com/r/pics for photos of cats doing funny things and memes, but it is full of pics of Obama looking like James Bond and Romney with photoshopped devil horns. Obama Cult even invades Icanhas.cheezburger! Only porn remains cult free…for now…thank god, so I can at least have 3-4 hours free from the cult each day.

    Now, why the hell am I arguing with a cult member about the cult?

  68. #68 |  Mattocracy | 

    I know I should keep feeding you CrazyBob, but I will.

    Obamacare-wonderful, he forced us to buy something from those greedy corporation that everyone hates so much.

    ended DADT-fair enough

    Made 2 good SCOTUS appointments (instead of the political hacks of republican predecessors)-Right, because liberal hacks aren’t hacks. Only conservative hacks are hacks.

    Significant enhancements of Consumer protections-Um…no. No he hasn’t. Not even a little.

    Saved GM-Hurray, spent billions of tax payers dollar propping up a failing company.

    Killed Bin Laden-No, those were Navy Seals that did that.

    Protected the US from terrorist attack-Zero evidence that he or any other politician has protected us from jack shit.

    Reformed student loans – making more money available to students and no cost to taxpayers.-Great, he did his part to increase the coming student loan bubble.

    Dude, why the fuck do you even waste your time here? You just keep on rehashing the same boring and disproving talking points over and over again. No one believes your crap and no one is gonna suddenly change their minds hearing the you cheer for the very things you would probably hate if a Republican president was doing the same.

  69. #69 |  Boyd Durkin | 

    Saved GM-Hurray, spent billions of tax payers dollar propping up a failing company.

    He saved union jobs, not the GM corporation. He also re-arranged creditor priority to favor union jobs.

    The salvation for GM was pretty much outlined by Mitt Romney in his editorial that is getting a lot of circulation this week.

    Bankruptcy: it’s there for a reason. If you think Obama writing a check to GM was so great, write a check of your own and put 100% of your savings into GM stock. Go ahead, I dare you.

    PS: Obama saved UNION JOBS, not GM.

  70. #70 |  Boyd Durkin | 

    Mattocracy,
    Please do not answer any more of crazybob’s points. I’m very close to selling him a “Lisa Simpson anti-tiger rock” and I don’t want you screwing the deal with that “Obama didn’t stop any terrorist attacks” logic.

    Also, vote for Gary Johnson: Saved New Mexico from Martian invasion an amazing 4,559 times! No other candidate makes that claim!

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