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	<description>It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do.</description>
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		<title>By: albatross</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/09/28/lunch-links-103/comment-page-1/#comment-3896785</link>
		<dc:creator>albatross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2012 17:03:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[divadeb:

Actually, I think he&#039;s supposed to simultaneously be a marxist, a fundamentalist Muslim, an extremist black Chrisitan, and a Kenyan anti-colonialist.  He is the first quantum president, in a superposition of conspiratorial states.  Will he surrender to Al Qaida?  Nationalize the Fortune 500?  Declare war on the UK?  Impose anti-white apartheid?  Peel off the fake human skin and announce the Martian takeover?  Nobody knows--you just have to wait till you take the measurement and he collapses into a single state.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>divadeb:</p>
<p>Actually, I think he&#8217;s supposed to simultaneously be a marxist, a fundamentalist Muslim, an extremist black Chrisitan, and a Kenyan anti-colonialist.  He is the first quantum president, in a superposition of conspiratorial states.  Will he surrender to Al Qaida?  Nationalize the Fortune 500?  Declare war on the UK?  Impose anti-white apartheid?  Peel off the fake human skin and announce the Martian takeover?  Nobody knows&#8211;you just have to wait till you take the measurement and he collapses into a single state.</p>
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		<title>By: albatross</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/09/28/lunch-links-103/comment-page-1/#comment-3896772</link>
		<dc:creator>albatross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2012 16:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Seems to me the MEK thing is just one more example of the growing third-world style impunity for the powerful in the US.  Some nobody from New Jersey does hard time for selling satellite decoders that can receive a Hamas-produced channel, because they&#039;re a listed terrorist group.  But the powerful and well-connected can take money from a listed terrorist group, and then lobby and advocate for them, and there&#039;s no problem.  

The other lesson from this is the utter lack of morals of the powerful and connected.  A bunch of &quot;respectable, trusted&quot; people took money to shill for the MEK, which is a cult with a history of terrorism (including against the US).  Earlier, there were plenty of respectable, trusted, powerful people who took money from Gadafi to come give talks, and who then had nice things to say about him.  Respectable publications were giving Assad glowing coverage back before the stink of the burning kids and rotting mass graves got too thick.  And on and on.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems to me the MEK thing is just one more example of the growing third-world style impunity for the powerful in the US.  Some nobody from New Jersey does hard time for selling satellite decoders that can receive a Hamas-produced channel, because they&#8217;re a listed terrorist group.  But the powerful and well-connected can take money from a listed terrorist group, and then lobby and advocate for them, and there&#8217;s no problem.  </p>
<p>The other lesson from this is the utter lack of morals of the powerful and connected.  A bunch of &#8220;respectable, trusted&#8221; people took money to shill for the MEK, which is a cult with a history of terrorism (including against the US).  Earlier, there were plenty of respectable, trusted, powerful people who took money from Gadafi to come give talks, and who then had nice things to say about him.  Respectable publications were giving Assad glowing coverage back before the stink of the burning kids and rotting mass graves got too thick.  And on and on.</p>
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		<title>By: Boyd Durkin</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/09/28/lunch-links-103/comment-page-1/#comment-3896491</link>
		<dc:creator>Boyd Durkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2012 15:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The Innocence of Muslims&quot;: never has such a low-grade, junior-high produced video caused so much trouble.  Well, &quot;Garfield&quot;...maybe.

Pretty amazing actually.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The Innocence of Muslims&#8221;: never has such a low-grade, junior-high produced video caused so much trouble.  Well, &#8220;Garfield&#8221;&#8230;maybe.</p>
<p>Pretty amazing actually.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/09/28/lunch-links-103/comment-page-1/#comment-3893703</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2012 20:36:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[EBL, the push to delist MEK has come from both sides (with the MEK paying well for their support). But going back to our invasion of Iraq in the name of terror, the Bush administration gave them special treatment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EBL, the push to delist MEK has come from both sides (with the MEK paying well for their support). But going back to our invasion of Iraq in the name of terror, the Bush administration gave them special treatment.</p>
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		<title>By: divadab</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/09/28/lunch-links-103/comment-page-1/#comment-3893038</link>
		<dc:creator>divadab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2012 16:36:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@EBL - Obama is a Marxist! Man what a deluded and idiotic statement. How could he be more of a tool of corporatist interests than he is?

When I hear people parrot this &quot;marxist&quot; absurdity, I hear the results of complete brainwashing combined with a total inability to think critically.

Obama is a Marxist. If you believe this, you are a deluded fool.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@EBL &#8211; Obama is a Marxist! Man what a deluded and idiotic statement. How could he be more of a tool of corporatist interests than he is?</p>
<p>When I hear people parrot this &#8220;marxist&#8221; absurdity, I hear the results of complete brainwashing combined with a total inability to think critically.</p>
<p>Obama is a Marxist. If you believe this, you are a deluded fool.</p>
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		<title>By: EBL</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/09/28/lunch-links-103/comment-page-1/#comment-3891308</link>
		<dc:creator>EBL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2012 06:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Iranian MEK was self described &quot;Islamic Marxist&quot; so I can see why the Obama Administration might find some common ground with it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Iranian MEK was self described &#8220;Islamic Marxist&#8221; so I can see why the Obama Administration might find some common ground with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Red</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/09/28/lunch-links-103/comment-page-1/#comment-3890113</link>
		<dc:creator>Red</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2012 23:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Why the “warning shot?” Is that to make sure that you surrender the advantage of initiative to your attackers, or just to more readily identify yourself as a target for any who are armed? Or, is it to ensure that those who have begun threatening your life and destroying/taking your property will receive the benefit of their prior acts of aggression as a “freebie?”&quot;

The warning shot along with not shooting people in the back was a sign of civilized behavior.   It demonstrated the willingness to your deadly force and give the person a chance to back off or give themselves up.  As we are a post civilized nation warning shots are now illegal.  People who continue to advocate them are living in the 19th century.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Why the “warning shot?” Is that to make sure that you surrender the advantage of initiative to your attackers, or just to more readily identify yourself as a target for any who are armed? Or, is it to ensure that those who have begun threatening your life and destroying/taking your property will receive the benefit of their prior acts of aggression as a “freebie?”&#8221;</p>
<p>The warning shot along with not shooting people in the back was a sign of civilized behavior.   It demonstrated the willingness to your deadly force and give the person a chance to back off or give themselves up.  As we are a post civilized nation warning shots are now illegal.  People who continue to advocate them are living in the 19th century.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/09/28/lunch-links-103/comment-page-1/#comment-3889630</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2012 21:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: censorship &amp; the Innocence film.

No one seems to mention the detail that the film is not hate speech and not incitement. It&#039;s a drama. It shows people talking and doing things. Sure, it portrays certain characters in ways that piss off lots of people who are invested in those characters. The same could be said for the later Harry Potter novels! This is Salman Rushdie all over again, regardless of relative literary merits.

True, it&#039;s important to acknowledge that it is taken as hate speech. I think this is the essence of the Epps article. (Even so, I usually respect Epps&#039; work a lot more than this.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: censorship &amp; the Innocence film.</p>
<p>No one seems to mention the detail that the film is not hate speech and not incitement. It&#8217;s a drama. It shows people talking and doing things. Sure, it portrays certain characters in ways that piss off lots of people who are invested in those characters. The same could be said for the later Harry Potter novels! This is Salman Rushdie all over again, regardless of relative literary merits.</p>
<p>True, it&#8217;s important to acknowledge that it is taken as hate speech. I think this is the essence of the Epps article. (Even so, I usually respect Epps&#8217; work a lot more than this.)</p>
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		<title>By: liberranter</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/09/28/lunch-links-103/comment-page-1/#comment-3889496</link>
		<dc:creator>liberranter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2012 20:20:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To those of you finding encouragement at the large number of anti-police/government/authority comments on blogs, I wouldn&#039;t be too optimistic of this as an indicator of the level of dissent.  The fact is that those of us who visit, read, and comment on such blogs are a very small percentage of the majority.  We might be vocal and visible in our criticism of the status quo, but our numbers are very small as a percentage of the majority.  I hope I&#039;m wrong here, but I don&#039;t think that our registered displeasure is indicative of impending mass revolt.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To those of you finding encouragement at the large number of anti-police/government/authority comments on blogs, I wouldn&#8217;t be too optimistic of this as an indicator of the level of dissent.  The fact is that those of us who visit, read, and comment on such blogs are a very small percentage of the majority.  We might be vocal and visible in our criticism of the status quo, but our numbers are very small as a percentage of the majority.  I hope I&#8217;m wrong here, but I don&#8217;t think that our registered displeasure is indicative of impending mass revolt.</p>
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		<title>By: Nate</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/09/28/lunch-links-103/comment-page-1/#comment-3889288</link>
		<dc:creator>Nate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2012 19:11:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Any God that can&#039;t take a little razzing is obviously not all powerful.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any God that can&#8217;t take a little razzing is obviously not all powerful.</p>
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		<title>By: Les</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/09/28/lunch-links-103/comment-page-1/#comment-3889183</link>
		<dc:creator>Les</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2012 18:32:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mike T., there have been a few riots in the U.S. in the last 30 years.  Are you saying that in every one, the police should have just started shooting into the crowd.  Tipping over cars is a death sentence?  Smashing a window is a death sentence?

Really?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike T., there have been a few riots in the U.S. in the last 30 years.  Are you saying that in every one, the police should have just started shooting into the crowd.  Tipping over cars is a death sentence?  Smashing a window is a death sentence?</p>
<p>Really?</p>
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		<title>By: BakedPenguin</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/09/28/lunch-links-103/comment-page-1/#comment-3888991</link>
		<dc:creator>BakedPenguin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2012 17:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/28/justice/massachusetts-chemist-arrested/index.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;MA police drug lab closed&lt;/a&gt;, chemist arrested under suspicion she faked thousand of results.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/28/justice/massachusetts-chemist-arrested/index.html" rel="nofollow">MA police drug lab closed</a>, chemist arrested under suspicion she faked thousand of results.</p>
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		<title>By: Mattocracy</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/09/28/lunch-links-103/comment-page-1/#comment-3888856</link>
		<dc:creator>Mattocracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2012 16:57:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The problem with opening fire and spraying bullets into a crowd is that you end up killing people who aren&#039;t &quot;rioters&quot;.  Collateral damage is not ok when it involves killing people.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with opening fire and spraying bullets into a crowd is that you end up killing people who aren&#8217;t &#8220;rioters&#8221;.  Collateral damage is not ok when it involves killing people.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/09/28/lunch-links-103/comment-page-1/#comment-3888262</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2012 13:49:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m a little disappointed all the discussion is on the censorship article, with none on the Popehat article. The former is a matter of &quot;should we,&quot; while that latter is &quot;we are,&quot; which I find much more immediate.

Just a quick quote from the article for those who didn&#039;t read it:

&quot;But the War on Terror, unlike other wars, will last as long as the government says it will. And, as the MEK episode illustrates, the scope of the War on Terror — the very identity of the Terror we fight — is a subjective matter in the discretion of the government. The compelling need the government cites to do whatever it wants is itself defined by the government.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a little disappointed all the discussion is on the censorship article, with none on the Popehat article. The former is a matter of &#8220;should we,&#8221; while that latter is &#8220;we are,&#8221; which I find much more immediate.</p>
<p>Just a quick quote from the article for those who didn&#8217;t read it:</p>
<p>&#8220;But the War on Terror, unlike other wars, will last as long as the government says it will. And, as the MEK episode illustrates, the scope of the War on Terror — the very identity of the Terror we fight — is a subjective matter in the discretion of the government. The compelling need the government cites to do whatever it wants is itself defined by the government.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Burgers Allday</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/09/28/lunch-links-103/comment-page-1/#comment-3887913</link>
		<dc:creator>Burgers Allday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2012 11:55:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I know a lot of you are interested in cases where teachers are falsely accused of sexual molestation.  I just blogged a case where an apparently falsely accused teacher sued for false arrest:

http://police4aqi.wordpress.com/2012/09/29/mere-allegations-of-massaging-a-student-are-enough-for-police-to-arrest-teacher/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know a lot of you are interested in cases where teachers are falsely accused of sexual molestation.  I just blogged a case where an apparently falsely accused teacher sued for false arrest:</p>
<p><a href="http://police4aqi.wordpress.com/2012/09/29/mere-allegations-of-massaging-a-student-are-enough-for-police-to-arrest-teacher/" rel="nofollow">http://police4aqi.wordpress.com/2012/09/29/mere-allegations-of-massaging-a-student-are-enough-for-police-to-arrest-teacher/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Weird Willy</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/09/28/lunch-links-103/comment-page-1/#comment-3886339</link>
		<dc:creator>Weird Willy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2012 02:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ #26

Why the &quot;warning shot?&quot;  Is that to make sure that you surrender the advantage of initiative to your attackers, or just to more readily identify yourself as a target for any who are armed?  Or, is it to ensure that those who have begun threatening your life and destroying/taking your property will receive the benefit of their prior acts of aggression as a &quot;freebie?&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ #26</p>
<p>Why the &#8220;warning shot?&#8221;  Is that to make sure that you surrender the advantage of initiative to your attackers, or just to more readily identify yourself as a target for any who are armed?  Or, is it to ensure that those who have begun threatening your life and destroying/taking your property will receive the benefit of their prior acts of aggression as a &#8220;freebie?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: John C. Randolph</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/09/28/lunch-links-103/comment-page-1/#comment-3886154</link>
		<dc:creator>John C. Randolph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2012 01:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The proper response to such a riot on US soil would be: go home, or the police will empty their magazines into the crowd.&quot;

I take a slightly different view on this.  I would say that it&#039;s appropriate for the owners of any property that the rioters are damaging to use force, including deadly force if the rioters don&#039;t fuck off after a warning shot, but having the police do it makes me very uneasy.

-jcr]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The proper response to such a riot on US soil would be: go home, or the police will empty their magazines into the crowd.&#8221;</p>
<p>I take a slightly different view on this.  I would say that it&#8217;s appropriate for the owners of any property that the rioters are damaging to use force, including deadly force if the rioters don&#8217;t fuck off after a warning shot, but having the police do it makes me very uneasy.</p>
<p>-jcr</p>
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		<title>By: John C. Randolph</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/09/28/lunch-links-103/comment-page-1/#comment-3886141</link>
		<dc:creator>John C. Randolph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2012 01:02:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#14 awp:  &quot;At some point and on certain things people will not be misled by pseudo-intellectuals who think they are intellectuals because they can see the “nuance” where there is none.&quot;

It seems to me that sophists posing as intellectuals have always been rejected by most people, since most people possess common sense.  What&#039;s happening today though, is that sophists publish their drivel in  forums where it&#039;s far easier for people outside their close circle of fellow sophists can speak up and say &quot;bullshit.&quot;   Compare the circle-jerking that Keynes got to the rough-and-tumble that Krugman has to endure.  Keynes could even toss off such heinous drivel as his full-throated praise of eugenics without anyone answering &quot;fuck you, you pompous, autocratic piece of shit.&quot;

The world wide web is a very different arena from the mentally stunted environment of &quot;higher education&quot;.   There&#039;s a bunch of naked emperors in the world, and today they are all exposed.

-jcr]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#14 awp:  &#8220;At some point and on certain things people will not be misled by pseudo-intellectuals who think they are intellectuals because they can see the “nuance” where there is none.&#8221;</p>
<p>It seems to me that sophists posing as intellectuals have always been rejected by most people, since most people possess common sense.  What&#8217;s happening today though, is that sophists publish their drivel in  forums where it&#8217;s far easier for people outside their close circle of fellow sophists can speak up and say &#8220;bullshit.&#8221;   Compare the circle-jerking that Keynes got to the rough-and-tumble that Krugman has to endure.  Keynes could even toss off such heinous drivel as his full-throated praise of eugenics without anyone answering &#8220;fuck you, you pompous, autocratic piece of shit.&#8221;</p>
<p>The world wide web is a very different arena from the mentally stunted environment of &#8220;higher education&#8221;.   There&#8217;s a bunch of naked emperors in the world, and today they are all exposed.</p>
<p>-jcr</p>
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		<title>By: John C. Randolph</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/09/28/lunch-links-103/comment-page-1/#comment-3886122</link>
		<dc:creator>John C. Randolph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2012 00:55:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Atlantic seems to be full of slime these days.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Atlantic seems to be full of slime these days.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/09/28/lunch-links-103/comment-page-1/#comment-3885861</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2012 23:43:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think Epps was advocating that America should take a particular point of view on free speech - indeed, he says &quot;My point is not that the international community is right and we are wrong.&quot; He&#039;s saying that other countries mean something completely different when they say &quot;free speech,&quot; and our way of doing free speech is not the only way that exists. It&#039;s certainly the right way in my opinion, but the point is that we have to address the fact that (say) a Frenchman can say he believes in free speech and censoring Holocaust denial and that in his mind, that&#039;s not an obvious contradiction.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think Epps was advocating that America should take a particular point of view on free speech &#8211; indeed, he says &#8220;My point is not that the international community is right and we are wrong.&#8221; He&#8217;s saying that other countries mean something completely different when they say &#8220;free speech,&#8221; and our way of doing free speech is not the only way that exists. It&#8217;s certainly the right way in my opinion, but the point is that we have to address the fact that (say) a Frenchman can say he believes in free speech and censoring Holocaust denial and that in his mind, that&#8217;s not an obvious contradiction.</p>
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