“I am a Sex Offender — For Life”

Thursday, September 6th, 2012

Folks, it’s Lenore from Free-Range Kids, back here because I just got this email and it points very clearly to the path we must take: CHANGE THE SEX OFFENDER LAWS which are, as this “offender” himself notes, harsher than those we mete out for murder — even when what we’re talking about is CONSENSUAL SEX between two teens. – L. 

I am a registered sex offender. My convictions were CSC 4th degree (statutory rape) and CSC 3rd degree. Both occurred in the State of Michigan, my first when I was 17. I was involved with my FIRST girlfriend, who was just about to turn 16 at the time of the offense (we started seeing each other when I was 16 and she was just about to turn 14 and headed into her freshman year of HS.) My second conviction came almost a year later to the day. I was on probation, admittedly not following orders as I was already listed on the sex offender registry, had been expelled from HS 3 months before graduating due to the conviction and convinced my life was pretty much over as I knew it. I ended up in a situation where a young woman lied to me about her age (15 when she was really 13) and I engaged in some sexual activity with her. Cops found out a couple of days later and after being told she was claiming forced rape, I told them what really happened and was given the good ole boy “we knew she was lying” routine, but even if it was not forced it did not matter I knew I was in big trouble because I found out then that she was only 13 and I was now 18.

I was looked at as predator because I was increasing in age and my “victims” were decreasing in age and sentenced to prison for a period of 1 1/2 years to 22 1/2 years.
Now i want to make a few of things perfectly clear. 1) Prison probably saved my life, I was a good kid way in way over his head with partying and living recklessly. 2) For my first conviction I was sentenced to 30 days in jail, 2 years probation and sex offender treatment, along with the mandatory 25 years on the Sex Offender Registry. 3) I was not a Leave-It-to-Beaver kid by any means. I did have issues with sex addiction and low self esteem but had no idea where or who to turn to in order to work on those issues 4) I was never put into treatment of any kind during my probation, my PO kept saying we would get to it eventually, which I did not understand because according the them I was some monster who needed to be tracked and monitored.
That being said, putting a non-violent statutory rapist in the same prison (my prison was actually a sex offender “compound” there was only about a 12 % segment of the population who were not sex offenders) as pedophiles, violent rapists, and true predators can create some very warped views and mindsets.
Eventually I was released and put on 2 years of parole, and after a very bumpy 2 years and a very understanding parole officer who knew I was inherently not a bad person, I was able to get off of parole.
Fast forward almost 7 years later and I am now 31, in college for the first time and doing quite well, but it took a LOT of false starts to get to where I am at. I deal with the registry because I have to, since I committed two sex offenses I am now on it for the rest of my life.
I am a level-three sex offender according to Arizona, the state in which I now reside, and that will also probably never change.
While I can see how my actions led to my incarceration and accept that there must be some punishment for breaking the law, I fail to see how having the stigma of being a “sex offender”  hanging over my head for the rest of my life does myself or society any good.
The young man who was convicted of sex crimes at the age of 17 and 18 has finally grown up and I am in no way of the same mindset as I was back then. It’s a process we know as maturing. But I will forever be judged and seen by those actions of my past.
The system is not fair, and justice very rarely can be assigned to more than one party, especially if they are on opposing sides. But at one point can guys (and women) like me, who have served their time and are doing everything they follow the law and become useful members of society, get some sort of relief?
Sex offenders in today’s society face many obstacles, many of them crippling to say the least. With housing options limited, job opportunities almost nil (hope you like working in restaurants or telemarketing), and a legal system designed to induce failure rather than facilitate success, the pathway to become a useful member of society is littered with sinkholes and quicksand.  I could have killed someone and have gotten a lighter maximum sentence, no registry and probably better employment opportunities than I have come across thus far.
I do not cry myself to sleep at night, nor am I hopeless. But I know the cards are stacked against me. My career options are limited to say the least and given the state of the nation these days, even with my college degree in hand down the road, my future is somewhat uncertain.
I am not a danger to society, I am not some monster who you need to be warned about. I am someone’s son, brother, mentor, and a friend to many. I am not a hardened career criminal, I am not going to peek in your blinds or steal your baby. I was a young man who made a series of very poor decisions and will pay for them for the rest of his life. And worse of all? I am not unique, I am not alone. There are many more like me, and they may not have the courage or means to speak up, so I am speaking up for them.

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69 Responses to ““I am a Sex Offender — For Life””

  1. #1 |  Yizmo Gizmo | 

    If she was turning 16 and you were just 17, isn’t she guilty
    of Statutory Rape too?

  2. #2 |  thomasblair | 

    Yizmo,

    Only men are predators.

  3. #3 |  Kid Handsome | 

    I gather it depends on the age of consent in the state. In many states that age is 16, so if she was 15 still and he was 17, he was the age of consent and she was not.

    Further, as a society, I suggest that the vast majority of statutory rape charges are levied against the male regardless of the capacity of either party to consent.

  4. #4 |  marie | 

    A life sentence for having sex is crazy…and common. For the rest of his life (unless legislators get some backbone and some sense), this young man will be under the thumb of the justice system. The fact that he seems to be handling it well doesn’t make it right. Good for him, getting his life straightened out.

  5. #5 |  Or gone | 

    18 year old fucking a 13 year old.

    Oh, yes let us gather in a meadow a weep and tear our garments for the injustice visited upon him.

  6. #6 |  Alex | 

    The first case is unreasonable, as just about anyone would agree; the 18-13 thing is absolutely disgusting and I have little sympathy for him.

  7. #7 |  Highway | 

    Or Gone and Alex: Oh get off your high horses. If you’re going to not believe the guy, then fine. But if we take him at his word, then she fraudulently misrepresented her age, and let’s face it, there’s no sure-fire way to tell.

  8. #8 |  Alex | 

    He was an 18 year old having sex with a 13 year old. The only reason we have to lessen his guilt is his own assertion that “she said she was 15″ which is still borderline unacceptable anyway. Given what we know, I’m going to lean far to the side of “this guy deserved severe punishment” (not necessarily as severe as he got, but still very severe) rather than “well maybe it wasn’t quite THAT bad”

  9. #9 |  Scooby | 

    So, I can understand the injustice of the first conviction (Romeo & Juliet law situation), but the second one is a case of not learning his fucking lesson. Even if he is truthful about the 13 y.o. lying and saying she was 15, he had already been convicted of statutory rape for the previous 15 y.o. when he was under 18 and was on probation for it. Sex with another 15 y.o., much less a 13 y.o. (consensual or not), deserves a conviction for terminal stupidity.

    “Probation” means “don’t fuck up again, because we are watching you”, not “do the same thing again and we will warn you a second time.” That said, sex offender lists need reform or abolition, but your poster child should not be a serial fuck-up.

  10. #10 |  johnl | 

    So what’s the plan to keep your boy from having sex with a girl whose age he doesn’t know accurately? Counting on his good sense? Or do you think this isn’t that high a risk? I’ve been thinking about a policy of taking the bullets out of the gun before he leaves the house (demanding a fresh sample in trade for car keys). Or giving him an allowance for entertainment that he can’t spend on anything else.

    Lenore? Maggie? Bill? Thoughts?

  11. #11 |  C. S. P. Schofield | 

    Or Gone and Alex,

    I’m not in the “Teenagers have sex, it’s no biggie” camp. But it seems to me that there is an order of magnitude difference between a legal minor boffing another legal minor in her teens, and a legal adult preying on sub-teens or teens. And the list is throwing him in with the latter. OK, he was a teenaged jerk. Even if he’s lying and knew the younger girl was 13, he was still a teenage jerk, not an adult predator. This is like treating every white trash jackass who uses the word “nigger” like a Camp Commandant at Belsen. It’s out of proportion, and that the target isn’t a good person doesn’t excuse it.

    My Lady is a survivor of childhood sexual abuse. We know who did it. Nobody pretends that we don’t. He was a miserable human being, and died badly from the consequences of his own behavior (STD). Lumping this stupid kid in with my Lady’s abuser denigrates the seriousness of what happened to her.

  12. #12 |  Alex | 

    Fair enough, CSP Schofield. But what I don’t like, that I got from his email, is that he doesn’t seem to be aware how awful it is that he at 18 slept with a 13 year old. “Well she said she was 15, it’s not my fault” is a rather disgusting attitude in my opinion unless (unlikely) there really was no way to tell she was very underage.

  13. #13 |  Les | 

    The point isn’t whether or not what he did was horrible. The point is we’re treating consensual sex with an adolescent as if it was worse than a whole host of violent crimes. And that’s ridiculous.

  14. #14 |  snowdog | 

    The ‘girl lying about her age’ thing happened to a guy I knew. Met a girl in a bar (have to be 18 and show ID to get in,21 to drink) thought she was of age, took her home, things happened…then a few weeks later she thought she was pregnant. So she told her folks who went to the cops. Surprise, she was really only 3 days past 15, using a fake ID to get into bars. He went to jail for 8 years and is a sex offender for life. Nothing happened to the girl.

  15. #15 |  B | 

    Alex,

    While I’m sure that 13 year old was still emotionally maturing, it’s very possible she looked every bit as old as 15.

    At 16, I flirted with a new neighbor for a few days before I found out she was 13. She looked older than I did.

  16. #16 |  el coronado | 

    My God, what a bunch of sanctimonious asshats some of you ‘Stone the Predator!’ clowns are. Are none of you even gonna *allow for* the possibility the 13-year-old in question might have been a scary early bloomer? I personally knew a girl who wore a DD cup in 6th grade; and was getting into nightclubs the next year with a fake ID. (a million years ago, drinking age was 18. Then the fucking Puritans got bizzy.) She was doing this in 7th grade: when she was…..12. Twelve. As in “9 + 3″. Am pretty sure she was sexually active by then – when you and all your buddies are still 12-year-old unpubertized boys, you tend to notice things like that – so her partners would have been by definition 18+. “Mary” liked college men. They had, you know, drivers licenses and shit.

    And had they asked her for ID first, she’d have shown them her fake ID. So were *they* predators, TOO?? I know we all know what Cotton Mather or Ayatollah Khamenei or Alex would say. How ’bout someone else?

  17. #17 |  Athena | 

    While I agree that, with the second charge, he was being absolutely moronic, I do have sympathy for the “she lied about her age” cases.

    At 13, I was 5’10″ with an athletic build, a D cup and a full face of makeup (and, somehow, my father’s heart never failed). One day, I was playing at a school with my best friend, a 5’1″ 13-year-old redhead who looked about 10. A car circled the block a couple of times, then pulled over in front of the playground. I assumed they were lost, so being the ever-helpful kid, I walked to the fence to offer directions.

    “Hi, my name’s Ryan,” the young man said, “and today’s my birthday. Some friends are throwing me a party down the street, and I thought I’d ask if you were interested in coming.” Caught completely off guard, I stumbled. “I, uh…well…” “Actually,” he interjected, “Mind if I ask how old you are? You can never be too careful these days…” “Eighteen! She’s eighteen!” my devious friend shouted. I shot her a look, one part ice, one part panic. “Cool, I’m 21 today,” he said, before giving me his number. “Hope you can make it.”

    Apparently aware of my displeasure, my friend clenched her teeth and said, “She’s babysitting me, tonight.” (She absolutely hated that I looked so much older, so I knew that was painful.) “Yeah, sorry I didn’t mention that sooner, but I probably won’t be able to make it.” He expressed his disappointment and asked me to call him whenever I was available.

    As Jessica and I walked home, she begged me to find a way to go to the party. I twirled the card in my fingers, seriously contemplating for a second. He was really cute. But I explained how much trouble he could get into if just about anything happened while I was there, let alone physical contact between the two of us. I began ripping up the card so that I was never tempted. Jessica was disappointed that I would deny her the opportunity to party vicariously, but she accepted it. And the second we stepped foot through the door of my house, she excitedly told the whole story to my parents. Cracks me up to this day.

    I was the exception to the rule. Most girls I knew who were blessed/cursed with older looks took full advantage of it. By the time I was in middle school, I knew girls who would ONLY “date” adult men, and would do everything in their power to convince those men of their legitimacy.

    That said, young men cannot afford to play the victim, as this young man’s story proves. The wolves may be the girls in some cases, but society won’t see it that way. Of course, none of these Romeo and Juliet cases warrant a life-long sentence of sex offender registry. It’s an insane exaggeration of the spirit of the law.

  18. #18 |  marie | 

    The point isn’t whether or not what he did was horrible. The point is we’re treating consensual sex with an adolescent as if it was worse than a whole host of violent crimes. And that’s ridiculous.

    Yes, it is. And now that we all know who the sex offenders are, we can all stand in judgment. We don’t know the details of their crimes, of course, not even when they plead guilty to something or other. When the prosecutor threatens to charge you with something that carries a mandatory minimum of 15 years, you will jump at the chance to plead guilty to something that carries a MM of five years.

    But hey–who needs details? All we need to know is that they are a dreaded sex offender. They are all dangerous or they wouldn’t be on the registry, right? Hide your wives, hide your children.

    The sex offender registry must be abolished.

  19. #19 |  egd | 

    Come up with a good way to distinguish between “a young man who made a series of very poor decisions” and “pedophiles, violent rapists, and true predators” and you’ll get a lot of support from a lot of people.

    Until then, we can only look at what you’ve done, not who you are. This guy was picking up underage girls (15, taking him at his word) when he was an adult. How many other underage girls did he fool around with and didn’t get caught? By his own admission he had “issues with sex addiction and low self esteem.” He’s asking for a break, lets judge him on everything he’s done, not just what he got prosecuted for.

    Even those “pedophiles, violent rapists, and true predators” claim they’re innocent.

  20. #20 |  JLS | 

    Somebody correct me if I’m wrong but in the old days wouldn’t this have been between the girls parents and the boy and the state wouldn’t have been involved?

  21. #21 |  Len | 

    Concerning the age matter, much of that comes from a society where we class people together for many years by forced schooling and frankly retard people’s maturity process. Take for example James Madison, before marrying Dolly, at age 32 he was set to marry a 16 year old, and this was encouraged by I believe Thomas Jefferson’s wife (some political figures wife, can’t recall).

    I’m not trying to encourage or justify sex with those not really settled in life ( really today that means not until after 25 or so..go back to the retarded maturity process in America), but 18 and 13 is not horrible as far as sex. Now if you want to visit the whole not being married and promiscuity issue that’s another thing.

  22. #22 |  Mairead | 

    No 18yo should be on a List unless he’s convicted to molesting a pre-pubertal child.

    Given that we socialise girls for adulthood at a much younger age than we do boys, a 13yo girl is not that much less mature, and may be on a par with, an 18yo boy. That we treat him the same way we treat a serial rapist is simply disgusting, and should be worth a criminal conviction for those who passed that law.

    Statutory rape was intended to protect horny young teens from exploitation by people in positions of authority/dominance. It wasn’t intended to be a club for beating up young people for having sex.

  23. #23 |  len (not the one you hate) | 

    There are no unintended consequences in regulation.

  24. #24 |  Amazed | 

    Gee. First girl was 15. Second said she was 15. I see a pattern. Pedophiles and ephebophiles usually have a target age group. No matter how old they get, their target victims remain a certain age. No matter how a 13 year old seems to have matured, she’s (or he’s) still a 13 year old mentally and easily victimized. “They’re just kids” is a ridiculous excuse. If men (or women) of any age are merely victims of their own hormones, we’d have people having sex on the sidewalks at all times of day. If your manchild has reached the age of 16, 17 or 18 and demonstrates such low regard for others to victimize them over and over, there’s something wrong with your manchild that needs to be fixed before they return to society.

  25. #25 |  marie | 

    Okay, amazed, let’s do it your way. I’ll grant you this guy was one bad dude. What if he gets “fixed”, though, and wants to return to society? In your world, can he simply return to society or does he still have to wear the scarlet letter/ yellow J/ SO label?

  26. #26 |  Pi Guy | 

    In MD, the age of consent’s 16 (the younger party), meaning that a 16-year old can consent to sex with someone drawing social security eating oatmeal. But there’s also an additional legal age of consent: if both parties are within 3 years and 365 days of each other’s age, it’s not statutory rape.

    IOW: an 18- and 15-year old is legal in MD. So, if the girl claimed to be 15 and obviously have no reasonable means to prove otherwise, it would be difficult to convict in MD. Which makes it extra hard for me to understand how some commenters above can be so self-assured in their condescending attitudes.

    More to the point: is there a reason why this poor guy should have to wear a Scarlet Letter for life? Statistically, sex offenders are much less likely to re-offend.

    So, if you support the registration of low-level sex offenders for life, why not those convicted of murder or armed robbery? And, if your claim is that they’re somehow ill, why aren’t they able to use that as a defense in their criminal cases? Why aren’t they counseled instead of or, at least in addition to, incarceration?

    I’m the father of two girls, step-dad to two others so I think that I understand the emotions. But that should not prevent us from thinking about the matter logically and fairly. Many of the above commenters are not.

  27. #27 |  Alex Wolcott | 

    Seems like people are getting lost in the weeds about the second “offense.” Maybe he was a creep and asshole and maybe the girl was an early-blooming Lolita.

    Who cares? I think the point the author is trying to make is that the punishment (lifelong relegation to our version of the Indian “untouchable” class) is disproportionate to his offense.

    If I were this guy I’d seriously try to find a way to emigrate and start over in a foreign country. But then anywhere you would want to live probably would deny him residency based on his convictions.

    Sympathies, my man. A civilized society should not ruin peoples’ lives irrevocably behind actions that were consensual in nature.

  28. #28 |  Yizmo Gizmo | 

    If I were this guy I’d seriously try to find a way to emigrate and start over in a foreign country…

    I don’t think you can. Some guy Kaufman tried to renounce his US citizenship to get the “offender” gorilla off his back.
    You can do this during wartime. US lawyers challenged,
    arguing these never-ending wars in the Middle East are not truly “wars.”

  29. #29 |  Scooby | 

    Yizmo, how many countries welcome convicted felons with open arms? I mean, what country other than France (Ira Einhorn and Roman Polanski come to mind).

    With two convictions for rape, I doubt he could get a tourist visa for most developed countries, much less an immigrant visa.

  30. #30 |  WIreform | 

    Registries have the potential to bring about holocaust. If you don’t believe me read up on the history of Germany. Besides ALL of us are on a registry, it’s called Social Security.

    Registries do not tell you who the predators are, 90% of arrests and convictions are made against first time offenders, so the predators you need to be worried about are people you already know and trust, that you are more than happy to leave your children with. Most of those on the registries have been through treatment or have been ‘scared straight’ in a sense for they know the demoralization that they are subjected to and will not make that mistake again. The recidivism rate for an RSO to commit another sex crime is below 5%, the only other conviction that has a lower recidivism rate is First Degree Murderers (their target is already dead, go figure).

    I know like another commenter on here, that I LOOKED 21 when I was 14, I was never carded for cigarettes. If I was with others that looked well over 21 I wouldn’t be carded for drinks then either. I was a girl so I got even more benefit of the doubt. And if I were a vindictive soul I could have put at least a dozen boys in prison and on the registry for LIFE had I wanted to.

    Girls are manipulative, vindictive and cruel, to each other, to their peers, to anyone that gets in their way of what THEY want or believe they need. They also base 90% of their decisions of how they ‘feel’ about it on an emotional level not pratically. If you don’t believe me, ask your mother, the behavior of girls hasn’t changed all that much in the last 70 years, just the publicity of it all has changed… Now we have cyber bullying and the ever loved distribution of child porn when a girl sends a revealing pick to ANY boy and he sends it on to anyone. Interestingly enough only the BOY ever gets it for distribution when the initial creation and distribution was the GIRL.

    Because of what I have learned in the last 6 years, I will never trust a teenage girl (even if she is my own). I will never trust a law enforcement officer (don’t really care the circumstance). I will never believe we have a ‘Justice System’ for it behaves nothing like one should (for any entity that is allowed to totally police itself can never be trusted, for with absolute power come absolute corruption, Judges are no different). This coming from a grown woman. I will NOT be caught alone with a child other than my own. Accusations to easily become convictions regardless of truth.

  31. #31 |  Steve Verdon | 

    So amazed every teenager is a ephebophile…thanks for sharing.

    *facepalm*

  32. #32 |  me. | 

    I feel for you and I am sorry what you are going through. These are ridiculous laws and this country and the people in it should be ashamed of themselves. My fiance much like you is a sex offender. He met a girl in a bar. Slept with her for a few weeks. Come to find out the police came knocking on our door 6 months later. The girl was only 15. The police were sympathetic this 15 year old looks 25! She looks older than I do! That however doesn’t matter he is now sitting in prison and going to be a sex offender for 20 years to life. Yup. Some of the people that commented on this are dumb. Most people won’t understand what we, the offenders and families, go through because of these dumb laws. The ones that do I thank you for having common sense.

  33. #33 |  The Late Andy Rooney | 

    @Scooby

    I believe France turned Ira Einhorn over to U.S. authorities. He’d lived there for years under an assumed name, but once it was found out who he was, he was returned to Pennsylvania.

  34. #34 |  Steve Verdon | 

    Alex,

    Please point to the part where he said, “Hey, she lied and said she was 15 instead of 13, so it isn’t my fault”? I don’t see it. In fact, he is pretty clear that he admits it was a dumb mistake and that he should have been punished. He objects to being handed what is, in effect, a life sentence.

  35. #35 |  Les | 

    egd, The point of this is not to find the best way to judge the guy’s character, but to argue whether or not a legal adult who has consensual sex with an adolescent should be treated by society worse than someone who commits a violent crime.

  36. #36 |  Steve Verdon | 

    My Lady is a survivor of childhood sexual abuse. We know who did it. Nobody pretends that we don’t. He was a miserable human being, and died badly from the consequences of his own behavior (STD). Lumping this stupid kid in with my Lady’s abuser denigrates the seriousness of what happened to her.

    I know somebody very close to me who has a similar story and she feel the same way. That putting people on these registries who don’t really belong there “denigrates the seriousness of what happened to her.” Stories about kids ending up on these lists for sexting really get her going…especially since the authorities did nothing to help her or stop her abuser.

  37. #37 |  MPH | 

    Paul Revere’s (yes, the famous one from Boston, where the Scarlet Letter was set) second wife was 21 when they married and had a 5 year old boy from her first husband (see Paul Revere and the World He Lived In, which won a Pulitzer for History). That means she was 16 when she gave birth to him, likely 15 when she got pregnant, and if the average amount of time it supposedly takes to get pregnant worked for her (sex twice a week results in pregnancy on average after one year), she was likely married and having sex with her husband at 14. And this would have been considered normal, as I can’t see someone in the luxury goods industry (silversmith) in prudish Boston risking sullying his reputation by marrying a woman who had been obviously pregnant prior to her wedding.

    The problem is that we’ve stupidly come to believe that a woman isn’t a woman until she’s 16 (or in some places like CA, 18). She’s a woman when she’s made it through puberty, which is solely a function of nutrition. My stepdaughter was there @ 12 (she started menstruating @ 9). Once they’re through puberty, their bodies are driven to mate. They need to be taught what’s happening to them, and what to do to mitigate the negative consequences of sex. But I guarantee that the 13 year old girl who wants to have sex WILL have sex (and for some reason, we’ve decided that she shouldn’t be punished for that, but the male who she has sex with should be).

    How did we get here? Prior to industrialization, husbands were usually under the direct supervision of their wives, either on the farm (where there wasn’t much opportunity for the man to “stray”) or in the cottage industry he worked in, where the house and store were co-located (hence the term “cottage industry”). During industrialization, when men started traveling to work, there was a small problem (blown all out of proportion, as such issues usually are, to get the politicians involved) of the occasional man running away from his family with a young (low teens) prostitute. The age of consent laws were enacted to restrict men’s access to young females, because 30 year old wives didn’t want to have to compete sexually with 15 year old prostitutes.

    As to the “sexual predator” issue, how about this story. I know of a man in his 40′s who went to prison in IN for having consensual sex with a woman 2 weeks before her 16th birthday (when she’d have been legal, and good luck determining she wasn’t 16 by looking at her). Why did she have sex with someone almost 3 times her age? She and her friends in school were having an informal contest to see who could bang the oldest guy. And HE’S the predator?

  38. #38 |  Alex | 

    Steve: that is basically literally what he says. “I ended up in a situation where a young woman lied to me about her age (15 when she was really 13) and I engaged in some sexual activity with her. Cops found out a couple of days later and after being told she was claiming forced rape, I told them what really happened and was given the good ole boy “we knew she was lying” routine, but even if it was not forced it did not matter I knew I was in big trouble because I found out then that she was only 13 and I was now 18.”

    “Violating probation” is what he thinks was dumb. Not the having sex with a 13 year old. This guy ought to be a hell of a lot more sorry than he sounds. For all we know she actually may have been forcibly raped.

  39. #39 |  Scooby | 

    @Andy

    France didn’t just send Einhorn- he was able to fight extradition for years, and was free for much of that time (although under close surveillence). Pennsylvania had to jump through hoops to change it’s laws (to vacate the in absentia conviction) and take capital punishment off the table before France would extradite.

  40. #40 |  Steve RSOonline | 

    He said he’s in Arizona now, but not where he was when the ‘crime’ took place. For all we know 15 was the age of consent in the state at that time. And that means it wouldn’t have been illegal if the girl was actually 15 as she claimed.

    An 18 year old having sex with a 15 year old may be ‘icky’ to some, but could be perfectly legal.

  41. #41 |  The Late Andy Rooney | 

    @Scooby
    Insisting that capital punishment be “off the table” is not unusual for European countries dealing with extradition to the U.S. Einhorn was only convicted in 1993 (12 years after fleeing) so he was a convicted murderer for only 4 of the 16 years he lived as a fugitive. He lived in England, Ireland, and Sweden during this time, eventually winding up in France.

    It’s absolutely true that it took time for the case to wind its way through the French courts, but Prime Minister Lionel Jospin did eventually sign a decree ordering Einhorn’s extradition. I don’t know how long extradition for murder typically takes, but I’m not convinced there is anything unique about the French legal system that allows murderers to escape justice for crimes committed in other countries. Einhorn had adopted the alias Eugene Mallon, and so could hardly be said to have lived openly as a convicted criminal (unlike Roman Polanski).

  42. #42 |  Putna | 

    Wait. She can’t be ‘about to turn 16′ when you are 17 AND ALSO be ‘about to turn 14′ when you are 16. You are aging at different rates.

    Also, is your name Brandon?

  43. #43 |  Steamed McQueen | 

    This seems like a good time to once again mention how strange it is that the threshold of adulthood and it’s corresponding capacity to make adult decisions shifts wildly depending on the needs of the State.

    A 17-year old is a minor but a 13-year old can be charged as an adult in certain circumstances.

    Evidently the law is not absolute, as the State would have us believe.

  44. #44 |  Steamed McQueen | 

    This seems like a good time to once again mention how strange it is that the threshold of adulthood and it’s corresponding capacity to make adult decisions shifts wildly depending on the needs of the State.

    A 17-year old is a minor but a 13-year old can be charged as an adult in certain circumstances.

    Evidently the law is not absolute, as the State would have us believe.

  45. #45 |  C. S. P. Schofield | 

    Steamed McQueen,

    I agree with you there. To my mind the silliest manifestation is the drinking age; at 18 you can be drafted, you can vote for the President of the United States, you can enter into contracts that will beggar you for life, but don’t drink for another three years … and people actually wonder that many 18 year olds don’t take that seriously.

    As for this jerk; maybe he’s lying. But he’d been on that sex offender list even if he wasn’t. So would his neighbor who was caught whizzing against a tree. The list serves no purpose other than to ruin lives. Now, if some offenses are bad enough that someone convicted of them SHOULD have his life ruined, fine. But the Sex Offender list is a way to punish ‘sex offenders’ who probably wouldn’t have been convicted if the juries knew they were going to serve what is effectively a life sentence. The system is so screwed up that in many states there isn’t a mechanism to get a name off the list if he is later found to be innocent.

    The lists are a way for Politicians to present themselves as “tough on crime” without actually having to do anything hard. Like think.

    And call me an out-of-touch grouch, but while I don’t want to go back to the bad old days of “She was dressed like a slut; she was asking for it”, I do find it troubling that girls in their young teens dress in ways that make me want to ask them “Honey, if it ain’t for sale, why are you advertising?”

  46. #46 |  LastTrain | 

    Several years ago, a family member (an 18-yo senior in high school at the time) was arrested for the possession of child p-rn. In the state in which he was convicted (IL), he is considered a “sexual predator” and must register for life. This classification and lifetime registration were not due to any risk assessments or psych evaluations — it’s based solely on offense. Last time I checked, over 50% of all the RSOs listed on IL’s registry fall under the “sexual predator” classification.

    Of course, not too many people know this is how IL goes about classifying sex offenders and most likely they will automatically assume someone with the label of “sexual predator” is much more of a danger to society and/or poses a greater risk of re-offending. This simply isn’t the case — at least not in IL. Here, even a non-violent, no-contact, first-time offense will label a person just this side of legal as a predator for the rest of their lives with no hope of ever getting off the “list.”

  47. #47 |  Or gone | 

    Yes, how unfair that this shit sandwich has to “serve a life sentence”. Think of all the good he could do if he were able to, say, volunteer to work with 12 and 13 year old girls and give them the benefit of his compelling story.

    But now, because of those fascist sex offender registry laws, he would probably be prevented from doing that.

    I mean, how absurd to even think that he might like to diddle another 13 year old. He plainly says that he has changed.

  48. #48 |  Havoc Johnson | 

    Yep, sexual predators and homosexuals seem to be the last group that you can hassle with impunity: http://lawblog.legalmatch.com/2012/09/04/gay-couple-sues-continental-airlines-strapping-sex-toy-luggage/

    The problem is that only one of them actually deserves it, can you guess which one?

  49. #49 |  Paul | 

    For the religious, Joseph was in his forties and Mary was about thirteen.

    At the age of 14, my grandmother came to this country alone in 1900. She married a 26 year old the following year and raised 6 kids.

    My barber admitted to me that when he was in the Navy stationed in Okinawa, he and many of the soldiers patronized the many 14 year old girls being pimped by their parents.

    Not that any of this is right or wrong, but it has existed for hundreds and thousands of years and we still survived. BTW, my barber is now in his 80′s. I don’t think I will turn him in.

  50. #50 |  marie | 

    For all we know she actually may have been forcibly raped.

    THIS. This is the hysteria that drives the sex offender registry and makes it impossible for someone to defend themselves against charges of a sex offense. There is no examination of the facts: is this person dangerous? Instead, an accusation need only be noted and people like Alex and Or gone are off and running with their lurid imaginings.

    For all we know, Alex and Or gone spend time fantasizing about sex with eight year old children. But that’s legal, isn’t it?

    The sex offender registry must be abolished.

  51. #51 |  The Late Andy Rooney | 

    @marie

    “But that’s legal, isn’t it?”

    Actually, mere thoughts can get a person arrested these days. If anyone remembers Scott Ritter, he was sentenced to one and a half to five and a half years in prison. His crime: masturbating in front of a web cam for, and engaging in sexually explicit online conversations with, an undercover cop posing as a fifteen year old girl.

    Now, Ritter’s conduct hardly qualifies him for Citizen of the Year, but prison for thinking (or fantasizing) that the person on the other end was a minor?! And one really has to wonder about a society in which cops devote their time to these sorts of “stings.”

  52. #52 |  Maria | 

    Some commentators seem to be missing the point that once you’re on one of these lists you’re on it for life. There is no getting your name removed. This is a life-time punishment that enables the state to control an increasing number of men.

    It’s control. That’s all it is about. The people on the sex offender registries, no matter what their classification, get told where to live, who they can come in contact with, what jobs they can hold, if they can vote, where and when they can travel, and what they can buy.

    Forget about the question “Do i like the guy? Is he cute and cuddly and pure?” Seriously? So what if he was a fuck up? He served his time.

    Is an individuals “likability” what our legal system should be about? How is a life time sentence at all OK in cases such as the above “asshole” and how does it not violate the 8th amendment?

    What, because we don’t already have an enormous unemployable underclass of people with felony convictions thanks to the follies of the drug and consensual sex war? We need even more?

  53. #53 |  marie | 

    It’s all for the children, Late Andy. We must protect the children. Even the imaginary ones.

    Not making fun of the idea of protecting children–I would do anything to protect mine from real danger. Real dangers would include LEOs running through my house with their guns drawn.

    Cops devote their time to these stings because that’s where the money is. More convictions = more money.

  54. #54 |  Or gone | 

    Right on. The guy plainly says he has changed and he also plainly says the 13 year old he fucked gave consent.

    Anyone who would doubt this man’s word is clearly a fascist.

  55. #55 |  marie | 

    Or gone, what is your problem? The guy did his time. What more do you want from him? You seem to want him to suffer for the rest of his life because of what he did.

    Well, guess what? You are getting your way; your way is the way things work now. This guy IS going to suffer for the rest of his life. So STFU.

    I can’t imagine why you are interested in this discussion.

  56. #56 |  Maria | 

    @ 47 Jesus H. Christ girl/guy. Get a grip. He WAS a troubled idiot young man who had sex with troubled idiot young women (or at least one’s who presented themselves as such). A fucked up teen (who should have known better but still a teen) having sex with other fucked up teens.

    But because you think he’s a shit sandwich (ie. you don’t like him – wtf does ‘like’ that have to do with justice again?) and without knowing anything else about him you are 100% certain that he’s a lying scumbag.

    So let’s go ahead, let’s punish him and other guys like him for their entire life time because we think they are lying and we feel they might, maybe, possibly, could do something else at some point, somewhere, somehow. Yup.

    Wait… That’s how it is right now. Justice has been served!

  57. #57 |  Leon Wolfeson | 

    @16 – Sure, except she said she was *15*.

    Which is where my particular sympathy rather dies.

    I’m for tight control over who’s listed on sex offender registries, and for them not to be available to the public…but the gent in the op would meet the criteria for listing, afaik.

    I’d never be happy with him taking a job which involved contact with kids. Sorry if that offends anyone.

    (Of course, the FIRST case would have been dismissed as not in the Public Interest to prosecute in the UK…)

  58. #58 |  elcrabofanger | 

    @47

    Or gone, you’re missing the point. Or you’re just a troll. Or both. But willfully ignoring what other people are saying just to reiterate that you personally think someone is a shit sandwich (and possibly a liar to boot) doesn’t make you look like the world’s most skilled thinker. Saying “Never mind that, think of the children” over and over again isn’t going to win you any friends, especially here. So yeah, the guy had sex with a 13-year-old girl. For that, he’s punished. He did a bad thing. He shouldn’t have done it. And while I don’t believe for a second that this guy is lying about his circumstances, for the sake or argument let’s go ahead and assume that he forcibly and brutally raped that girl (once again pointing out that I don’t believe that to be the case). If that is the case, apparently he got off lightly. But even if he’d been thrown in prison for 50 years, should he then be registered for life? Are murderers registered for life? Do killers have to report to all and sundry that they’re moving into the neighborhood? Should people caught taking a drunken leak in public be lumped into the same category as violent child rapists, with no way to tell the two apart?

    Answer the questions. Jerk.

  59. #59 |  C. S. P. Schofield | 

    Or Gone;

    In other words, its fine with you if the State (which NEVER makes bad decisions) uses mob hysteria to punish some jerk in a way not spelled out to the jury that convicted him … if he ever actually GOT a jury trial.

    When and if the Police State I expect to live out my life under manifests, I will take comfort in the knowledge that when it catches up to YOU it will be a manifestation of cosmic justice.

  60. #60 |  liberranter | 

    @Snowdog: What happened to your friend happens more often than most people are willing to admit. What is esepcially galling is the fact that the little whore didn’t suffer any repercussions for 1) committing fraud by using a fake ID to lie about her age and 2) committing fraud by claiming to have had non-consensual sex (at least I’m assuming that she told the cops that it was non-consensual).

    I can think of some really nasty remedies that would put an immediate stop to this kind of manipulation, but I’d probably be labeled a sadistic misogynist for listing them.

  61. #61 |  liberranter | 

    WIreform said:

    I was a girl so I got even more benefit of the doubt. And if I were a vindictive soul I could have put at least a dozen boys in prison and on the registry for LIFE had I wanted to.

    Girls are manipulative, vindictive and cruel, to each other, to their peers, to anyone that gets in their way of what THEY want or believe they need. They also base 90% of their decisions of how they ‘feel’ about it on an emotional level not pratically. If you don’t believe me, ask your mother, the behavior of girls hasn’t changed all that much in the last 70 years, just the publicity of it all has changed…

    WOW, I can’t believe that a woman is actually vocalizing what so many men out there are thinking. I wish it weren’t true, but only a moron, or someone living in a cave without contact with human civilization for the last several decades would argue with anything you’ve said.

    This is why, as Fred Reed so brilliantly put it in one of his many epistles of wisdom a few years back, American men need to “keep [their] DNA to [them]selves.”

  62. #62 |  liberranter | 

    The silver lining to the very dark cloud of Sex Offender Registries, and the abuse thereof is this: very soon, if it hasn’t happened already, people will stop taking them seriously and completely ignore them.

    I know that if I met someone who admitted to being on one, or if I discovered that someone I knew was on one, I wouldn’t think a thing of it. Just like I no longer consider someone having done jail/prison time to be any kind of stigma. What passes for “law,” “justice,” and “punishment” in this fascialist (thank you, Tom DiLorenzo) excuse for a country has become so perverted that what was originally intended as, and once actually legitimately used to punish crimes against natural law (i.e., actual violent crimes against person and property) has become a politicized weapon that has claimed more victims than it has restored justice. Given the absolutely criminal amorality of district attorneys offices and criminal courts, and given the unstoppable conviction machines that the courts have become, I no longer have any faith whatsoever that justice has been done by any of them or the people who staff them. As far as I’m concerned, there is so little integrity in the system that nine out ten people currently locked up are probably either innocent of any crime, are serving time under a coerced plea bargain having nothing to do with anything they’ve actually done or not done, or have been locked up under conditions grossly disproportionate to any actual offense they might have committed. I would, therefore, free all of them, right this minute, if I had the power to do so. In other words, I’d restore the presumption of innocence.

    But wouldn’t that create a great “danger to society?”

    Probably, but the PTB should have thought of that before they corrupted and compromised the system beyond salvage.

    SO, you guys and gals who are unfortunate enough to find yourselves on SORs, let me just say that not only do I feel for you, but I fully support your right to live as freely as any of the rest of us – to the extent that any of us can live “free” in this incipient Reichssicherheitsstaat. I would welcome you as my neighbors. Were I a business owner, I would gladly hire you for positions for which you were qualified, demanding no more than what I’d demand of any other employee (i.e., competence and dedication to the job). All of this despite your presence on a SOR. In fact, were I not a libertarian, I’d be very tempted to practice “reverse discrimination” and give you preferential hiring treatment over some of the sanctimonious scumbags who would have you paying for your (non-)crimes for the rest of your lives, just to tweak the majority’s –and the State’s– nose.

    So hang in there. One of these days, common sense, like gravity, is going to inevitably reassert itself.

  63. #63 |  Or gone | 

    I wonder if this guy though he was a “danger to society” when he was diddling 13 year olds?

    And, boy, talk about your bad luck. The only two teenagers this guy ever raped both resulted in charges. What are the odds?

  64. #64 |  Or gone | 

    Liberanter- your concern for pedophile rapists is touching. Why not put your thoughts into action. You can easily locate maps and lists of pedophile rapists who live near you and hire them to mow your yard or babysit your kids.

    Heck, if you can’t afford that, I’d bet that lots of them would be happy if you’d buy them a beer and tell them of your warm regards.

    Remember, you are the change you’ve been waiting for.

  65. #65 |  To Or gone | 

    Hey bro … I hope you have a young neighbor or pissed off family member who does not like you. She can then tell the family or police that you touched her or forced her to do something improper. This happens all the time. The authorities will take her word without question and arrest you because they are just doing their job. This puts your name into the federal database as a suspect. Even if you are not convicted of any crime you will be on this sex offenders list.

    We all know you are a fool but we also know you dont belong on that list … but what we know does not matter because you will be on that list regardless. The system does not care about the details and your life will be screwed up. A life sentence for a mistake…sounds about fair in YOUR opinion. Walk a mile in someone elses shoes then you will know.

    The reasons for the database is valid, the execution of the law is crap.

  66. #66 |  liberranter | 

    Trollgone, I’m not going to waste digits trying to reason with you because I know it would be pointless. Let’s just say that it’s creatures like you who are behind the utter destruction of the justice system that once existed in this country. Crying wolf at every breath means that no one believes you when the real creature appears.

    If I believed in reincarnation, I’d peg you as a return of some ignorant redneck who tried (and failed) to farm a piece of wasteland during the day and who led lynch mobs by night.

  67. #67 |  Socrates | 

    Abolish the draconian, oppressive sex offender laws. Abolish the age of consent laws. (These are yet another creation of the progressive era.) Return to personal responsibility and individual liberty. A sexual assault is only an act of violence or coercion against another, and the law should strictly observe this principle which is based on the non-aggression principle. Consensual, non-violent acts are not crimes.

  68. #68 |  Cheryl | 

    He lost me when he used the phrase “sex addiction.” I always have, and always will, think that is a load of crap. I think there’s a lot more to this story than just the two situations he described here. That being said, I do think the registry is a joke. As one of the other commenters said, at some point, no one will pay any attention to it. I’m already there.

    And wow…the vitriol against teenage girls…geez, people, get a grip. You make them all out to be some sort of mind controlling monsters. I think someone got dissed by the popular girls back in high school and the rest of you never dated the homecoming queen.

  69. #69 |  Technomad | 

    I’d be marginally (_marginally_) more sympathetic to the “protect the CHILL-DRUNN” types if they weren’t also the ones who gleefully do all they can to take kids as young as twelve and throw them into the adult court system, with adult-level punishments, if they’re accused of serious crimes. If twelve is old enough to be put in the slam for life, it’s old enough to f*ck. Make up your minds, people.

    And my ideas for what to do with girls who deliberately lie about their age when they’re supposed to be “off limits” would make that guy in _Law Abiding Citizen_ puke. Or throw himself on the floor at my feet, chanting “I’m not worthy! I’m not worthy! Teach me, sensei! I am only an egg!”

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