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	<title>Comments on: Florida Deputy Uses Spidey-Sense to Establish Probable Cause</title>
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		<title>By: Why &#8220;Criminals&#8221; Should Have Rights Pt 3 &#171; The Blog For Truth, Justice, &#38; The Josh Way</title>
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		<dc:creator>Why &#8220;Criminals&#8221; Should Have Rights Pt 3 &#171; The Blog For Truth, Justice, &#38; The Josh Way</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2012 20:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] *A suspicious roadside stop involves an unauthorized warrantless search for marijuana. The officer detected marijuana from an a vehicle going 35 mph with the windows closed. After ninety minutes and four unauthorized warrantless searches (where the vehicle is plundered) came up fruitless, a single burnt cigarette was finally found after Search #5, which was aided by the fact that the officer&#8217;s wireless microphone was turned OFF for this search. The driver was initially charged with a DUI, even though his blood-alcohol level was below the legal limit; eventually all charges were dropped. Your 4th Amendment violations: a warrantless unauthorized search, and an unreasonable search. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] *A suspicious roadside stop involves an unauthorized warrantless search for marijuana. The officer detected marijuana from an a vehicle going 35 mph with the windows closed. After ninety minutes and four unauthorized warrantless searches (where the vehicle is plundered) came up fruitless, a single burnt cigarette was finally found after Search #5, which was aided by the fact that the officer&#8217;s wireless microphone was turned OFF for this search. The driver was initially charged with a DUI, even though his blood-alcohol level was below the legal limit; eventually all charges were dropped. Your 4th Amendment violations: a warrantless unauthorized search, and an unreasonable search. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Reality Exploit Roundtable EP007: Spains Poor Go Black Market, Microfabulous Grants, Trackable Cash Fail, Florida Cops Spidey Senses&#160;&#124;&#160;AgoristRadio.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reality Exploit Roundtable EP007: Spains Poor Go Black Market, Microfabulous Grants, Trackable Cash Fail, Florida Cops Spidey Senses&#160;&#124;&#160;AgoristRadio.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2012 05:12:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] voodoo &#8211; Florida Deputy Has Spidey Sense [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Sailor Barsoom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sailor Barsoom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2012 19:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#31
A-freaking-men.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#31<br />
A-freaking-men.</p>
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		<title>By: Links #113 &#171; The Honest Courtesan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Links #113 &#171; The Honest Courtesan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2012 10:04:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Quick Hits of the Week &#171; A Bodey in Motion</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quick Hits of the Week &#171; A Bodey in Motion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2012 16:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] 35 mph and with the windows up. They should consider drafting him into the Justice League. What happened after he used his super sniffer was described as &#8220;going a little too far&#8221; by the Deputy&#8217;s supervisor, but it [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 35 mph and with the windows up. They should consider drafting him into the Justice League. What happened after he used his super sniffer was described as &#8220;going a little too far&#8221; by the Deputy&#8217;s supervisor, but it [...]</p>
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		<title>By: demize!</title>
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		<dc:creator>demize!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2012 18:38:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Many years ago, on two separate occasions I was a tourist in Florida and will never return. I found the place to be a cultural wasteland, reeking with racism and silent rage. &quot;
Beautifully said and accurate. Having lived and visited there I can duly attest it puts the Pa in parochial.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Many years ago, on two separate occasions I was a tourist in Florida and will never return. I found the place to be a cultural wasteland, reeking with racism and silent rage. &#8221;<br />
Beautifully said and accurate. Having lived and visited there I can duly attest it puts the Pa in parochial.</p>
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		<title>By: Open Thread: Ten Years of &#8220;Alas&#8221; Edition &#124; Alas, a Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Open Thread: Ten Years of &#8220;Alas&#8221; Edition &#124; Alas, a Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2012 11:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2012 05:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lincoln should have let the entire rotten South secede.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lincoln should have let the entire rotten South secede.</p>
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		<title>By: Bart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2012 20:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Many years ago, on two separate occasions I was a tourist in Florida and will never return. I found the place to be a cultural wasteland, reeking with racism and silent rage. 

I realize of course how many Floridians would say they don&#039;t need me around anyway, so don&#039;t bother returning, but for the sake of their own quality of life, I can&#039;t understand how they would allow the police to operate in this way.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many years ago, on two separate occasions I was a tourist in Florida and will never return. I found the place to be a cultural wasteland, reeking with racism and silent rage. </p>
<p>I realize of course how many Floridians would say they don&#8217;t need me around anyway, so don&#8217;t bother returning, but for the sake of their own quality of life, I can&#8217;t understand how they would allow the police to operate in this way.</p>
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		<title>By: Kami B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kami B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2012 20:38:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[After visiting a friend freshly (honorably discharged) from the Navy late one night in marion county, florida - I pulled into a gas station where i saw two cop cars sitting at the pump. after going inside, buying juice for my kids and an energy drink for their dad, I returned to my car. I could tell by the way they were looking, poised to pounce, that they were going to follow me and light me up. I didn&#039;t get 20 yards from the gas station before they did so. I smiled and waved to the officer because i knew that i had done nothing wrong, had nothing on me to be concerned about, and had never even had a parking ticket. They came up to my car and shined their flashlights in the trunk/ backseat. it was a good 10-15 minutes before they even came up to me and what did they say?? &quot;what&#039;s your name?&quot; i gave it. &quot;oh. all right then. we thought you were someone else. your... uh.. your tail light was out.&quot; i asked &quot;may i go then?&quot; their response &quot;uh.. yeah.. uh your tail light was out. thought you were someone else.&quot; and that was the nicest interaction i&#039;ve ever had with cops at a traffic stop. florida.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After visiting a friend freshly (honorably discharged) from the Navy late one night in marion county, florida &#8211; I pulled into a gas station where i saw two cop cars sitting at the pump. after going inside, buying juice for my kids and an energy drink for their dad, I returned to my car. I could tell by the way they were looking, poised to pounce, that they were going to follow me and light me up. I didn&#8217;t get 20 yards from the gas station before they did so. I smiled and waved to the officer because i knew that i had done nothing wrong, had nothing on me to be concerned about, and had never even had a parking ticket. They came up to my car and shined their flashlights in the trunk/ backseat. it was a good 10-15 minutes before they even came up to me and what did they say?? &#8220;what&#8217;s your name?&#8221; i gave it. &#8220;oh. all right then. we thought you were someone else. your&#8230; uh.. your tail light was out.&#8221; i asked &#8220;may i go then?&#8221; their response &#8220;uh.. yeah.. uh your tail light was out. thought you were someone else.&#8221; and that was the nicest interaction i&#8217;ve ever had with cops at a traffic stop. florida.</p>
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		<title>By: Dawn the LegalShield lady</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dawn the LegalShield lady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2012 19:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[See, this is why people need a membership with LegalShield. If we don&#039;t know our rights, we don&#039;t have any. He clearly knew that he could deny consent to search, but did he know he had his Miranda rights all along, including the right to an attorney? If he&#039;d have been able to pull out his LegalShield membership card and use his emergency 24 hour access, that whole thing would have gone very differently, I can assure you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See, this is why people need a membership with LegalShield. If we don&#8217;t know our rights, we don&#8217;t have any. He clearly knew that he could deny consent to search, but did he know he had his Miranda rights all along, including the right to an attorney? If he&#8217;d have been able to pull out his LegalShield membership card and use his emergency 24 hour access, that whole thing would have gone very differently, I can assure you.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete F</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2012 18:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Yizmo

I have also been ticketed by a cop who did not radar me, but rather followed me for a 1/4 mile or so and watched his speedometer.  Thing was, I wasn&#039;t speeding.  Why would I speed with a cop tailing me?  I honestly think I got the ticket because when he asked if I knew why he pulled me over, I said, &quot;Looking for drunks I guess.&quot;  He was upset with this accusation of profiling.

Anyway, the real garbage of the story is I came to court with pages of questions for the officer.  He answered &quot;I don&#039;t remember&quot; to almost all of them.  The judge pointed out that there is no burden of proof in a traffic infraction, and that the uniformed man&#039;s word was worth more than mine even though he really had nothing to say beyond &quot;he was speeding.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Yizmo</p>
<p>I have also been ticketed by a cop who did not radar me, but rather followed me for a 1/4 mile or so and watched his speedometer.  Thing was, I wasn&#8217;t speeding.  Why would I speed with a cop tailing me?  I honestly think I got the ticket because when he asked if I knew why he pulled me over, I said, &#8220;Looking for drunks I guess.&#8221;  He was upset with this accusation of profiling.</p>
<p>Anyway, the real garbage of the story is I came to court with pages of questions for the officer.  He answered &#8220;I don&#8217;t remember&#8221; to almost all of them.  The judge pointed out that there is no burden of proof in a traffic infraction, and that the uniformed man&#8217;s word was worth more than mine even though he really had nothing to say beyond &#8220;he was speeding.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: SWFL</title>
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		<dc:creator>SWFL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2012 16:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@24 - 

I live in Florida and I can neither confirm nor deny your allegations.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@24 &#8211; </p>
<p>I live in Florida and I can neither confirm nor deny your allegations.</p>
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		<title>By: Burgers Allday</title>
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		<dc:creator>Burgers Allday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2012 16:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@23:

It is almost certain that McNeal was stopped primarily because he was leaving a bar parking lot late at night.  Also, there was a band playing at the bar and McNeal sys that this band was smoking mj near him (McNeal claims that he himself was not smoking mj that night, for what it is worth).  There is a good chance that the policeman knew something about th reputation of the band, whatever band it was.

I am sure that the Jag and McNeal&#039;s appearance did not help, but, chances are, Fornal was going to stop the most expensive car coming out of that particular show, even if it had just been a Ford Escort.

Driving out of a bar parking area at night is always a good way to get stopped, stoner band or no stoner band.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@23:</p>
<p>It is almost certain that McNeal was stopped primarily because he was leaving a bar parking lot late at night.  Also, there was a band playing at the bar and McNeal sys that this band was smoking mj near him (McNeal claims that he himself was not smoking mj that night, for what it is worth).  There is a good chance that the policeman knew something about th reputation of the band, whatever band it was.</p>
<p>I am sure that the Jag and McNeal&#8217;s appearance did not help, but, chances are, Fornal was going to stop the most expensive car coming out of that particular show, even if it had just been a Ford Escort.</p>
<p>Driving out of a bar parking area at night is always a good way to get stopped, stoner band or no stoner band.</p>
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		<title>By: CyniCAl</title>
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		<dc:creator>CyniCAl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2012 14:54:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anyone who lives in or travels to Florida deserves it.  It is a 3rd-world country.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone who lives in or travels to Florida deserves it.  It is a 3rd-world country.</p>
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		<title>By: Weird Willy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Weird Willy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2012 13:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Both McNeal and the sickening pig Fornal are White.  I suspect that the motivation for the traffic stop may lie in the simple fact that McNeal was driving a Jaguar sedan, and after giving the driver a once-over the pig targeted him on the basis of his appearance.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Both McNeal and the sickening pig Fornal are White.  I suspect that the motivation for the traffic stop may lie in the simple fact that McNeal was driving a Jaguar sedan, and after giving the driver a once-over the pig targeted him on the basis of his appearance.</p>
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		<title>By: hskiprob</title>
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		<dc:creator>hskiprob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2012 13:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Prosecutorial and Judicial corruption has been the scourge of the world for EVER.  Exactly why libertarians lean towards less government and the lessor the better. The more people are responcible, the less government is needed. It is better to promote responcibility rather than government force. 

A recent article spoke on social collectivity prior to Saul in the Bible. Saul reportedly brought in the use of force to collect taxes where as under prior law it was voluntary as tithing is.  The tribes of Israel were set up more as theocracies and were voluntary associations. I don&#039;t know how really true this is.   

As we all know, when the church and state get in bed is when you really have a problem.  What we do know is that govenment as we know it, has not produced on environment that protects the rights of individuals, unless your rich and politically connected so that you have the money to payoff the Judiciary.  All democracies fail over time and for the same reason.  I think you can surely say that our democractic Republic has followed the way of demcracies. If you think about it, adding a layer of politicians on top of the decision making process in any political entity, could not possibly correct the problem.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prosecutorial and Judicial corruption has been the scourge of the world for EVER.  Exactly why libertarians lean towards less government and the lessor the better. The more people are responcible, the less government is needed. It is better to promote responcibility rather than government force. </p>
<p>A recent article spoke on social collectivity prior to Saul in the Bible. Saul reportedly brought in the use of force to collect taxes where as under prior law it was voluntary as tithing is.  The tribes of Israel were set up more as theocracies and were voluntary associations. I don&#8217;t know how really true this is.   </p>
<p>As we all know, when the church and state get in bed is when you really have a problem.  What we do know is that govenment as we know it, has not produced on environment that protects the rights of individuals, unless your rich and politically connected so that you have the money to payoff the Judiciary.  All democracies fail over time and for the same reason.  I think you can surely say that our democractic Republic has followed the way of demcracies. If you think about it, adding a layer of politicians on top of the decision making process in any political entity, could not possibly correct the problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Burgers Allday</title>
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		<dc:creator>Burgers Allday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2012 13:10:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[sort of a follow up story that is worth reading:

http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20120824/ARTICLE/120829785]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sort of a follow up story that is worth reading:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20120824/ARTICLE/120829785" rel="nofollow">http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20120824/ARTICLE/120829785</a></p>
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		<title>By: marco73</title>
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		<dc:creator>marco73</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2012 11:48:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A DUI unit, with federal funding, plus drug dogs, also with federal funding.
Who says the goevernment isn&#039;t on the case?

I wonder if the victim in this case was, how do I say this gently, a minority? You do understand that cops in Florida don&#039;t need their nose to establish probable cause: they need their eyes to see anyone with non-white skin.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A DUI unit, with federal funding, plus drug dogs, also with federal funding.<br />
Who says the goevernment isn&#8217;t on the case?</p>
<p>I wonder if the victim in this case was, how do I say this gently, a minority? You do understand that cops in Florida don&#8217;t need their nose to establish probable cause: they need their eyes to see anyone with non-white skin.</p>
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		<title>By: C.E.</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/08/26/florida-deputy-uses-spidey-sense-to-establish-probable-cause/comment-page-1/#comment-3744594</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2012 03:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m in Texas and I can smell the bullshit from Florida all the way over here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in Texas and I can smell the bullshit from Florida all the way over here.</p>
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