Canadian themed links this morning

Wednesday, August 22nd, 2012

By David Bratzer, Law Enforcement Against Prohibition

I worked yesterday (and I’m working later today) so my ability to post comments is limited. I am still following the Ask a Cop thread and I will (eventually) answer all the questions. As always, please note that my posts and comments on The Agitator represent my personal views only.

  • For Twitter folks, #copchat is happening tonight at 9pm EST. Each week has a themed topic and there are some house rules so check out the link before participating. This is an opportunity for police officers and members of the public. The officer who co-founded #copchat is from Toronto. He runs it while off-duty.
  • The British Columbia Office of the Police Complaint Commissioner has rejected a one day suspension of a police officer for this incident. The case will now move to a formal disciplinary hearing, to be held on October 5th.
  • An external investigation has been called into allegations that two Vancouver police officers did not warn a pregnant woman that she was at risk of being murdered.
  • We’ve talked a bit in the comments about Freedom of Information requests. A few weeks ago I filed these FOI requests, and then a complaint. Here is the result. The goal of these requests is to examine how public funds will be spent to provide police services in my hometown. The details are not super exciting, but it does reinforce my point: If you don’t file a request, nothing happens.

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12 Responses to “Canadian themed links this morning”

  1. #1 |  Burgers Allday | 

    The letter of partial apology in the one story is interesting reading:

    Ms. Sandra Davidsen

    I am writing you this letter for two reasons. Firstly, I would like to explain to you the actions that I made, and secondly I would like to apologize for those that I did not make.

    In the day-to-day life of a police officer, we are forced to deal with multiple situations that can range from a friendly conversation to one where either our lives or the lives of others are in danger. It is because of this that I must constantly be at an elevated level of attentiveness and self awareness; this includes having control of myself and the environment around me.

    The reason that I used the amount of force in which I did against you, was because I thought at the time that you were attempting to reach for my firearm. As police officers we go through rigorous training when dealing with our firearms. The actions that I took were purely instinctual when I felt my firearm was being targeted. The force in itself is something that I regret using, but it is what I did afterwards that makes me most sorrowful.

    I am supposed to act as a servant to the public and I always have the public’s best interest in mind. Regrettably, the way I acted that day did not represent that. In hindsight, I wish that I would not have walked away from you, but rather helped you back up to your feet. I wish I had asked if you needed any medical assistance, if you needed help getting home. Unfortunately, I have to live with the fact that I did not and I now have to take responsibility for my actions.

    I am not going to try to make excuses for what I did, because all attempts would fall short. I made a mistake, and if it were possible to go back and do it over again, I would not have walked away from you while you were lying there. I would have been the one helping you to your feet and explaining to you then what had happened.

    So now I would like to take this opportunity to apologize for the actions that I did not take. You did not deserve to be treated that way by not only me, but by anyone. I know that this apology is not going to make what happened go away, and I realize that the way you were treated will never be made up by any apology I can offer. Rather, I wanted to say this because it is the right thing to do. I may not have made the right decision the first time we dealt with each other, but hopefully this will be the start of only positive decisions to come.

    Yours truly,

    Cst. Taylor Robinson

    Read more:

  2. #2 |  Boyd Durkin |–abc-news-topstories.html

    Cop gets fired for assaulting woman (dashcam). Why link to it? Well, the standard procedure is now for the cop union to contest the firing and for the cop to get his job back. And, we should all make note of the theater.

  3. #3 |  divadab | 

    Sorry, Constable Robinson – your explanation doesn’t match the video, which shows three large police officers walking abreast, taking up most of the sidewalk, and leaving nowhere for this poor sick woman to go but in between your large bodies. Your response? Knock her down, and keep going.

    This is bully behavior, pure and simple. On pretty much the weakest member of society and the person least able to fight back. Pretty pathetic, COnstable Robinson, what a big tough man you are, knocking over an old sick woman with cerebral palsy.

    Police shouldn’t be bullies. Bullies shouldn’t be police. Especially gutless liars like Taylor Robinson.

  4. #4 |  JLS | 

    If that had happened in America it would be have been forgotten about already. And NO WAY the cop would have apologized.

  5. #5 |  DoubleU | 

    #2 Boyd. That is what we have unions for, so the unions can protect jobs.

  6. #6 |  Salvo | 

    A place where officers are disciplined, and that discipline being rejected as too lenient? A place where officers are required to protect the public? A place where a FOI requests get results?

    What weird parallel universe does this “Canada” reside in?

  7. #7 |  Thom | 

    “#copchat is happening tonight at 9pm EST”

    No. EDT.

  8. #8 |  Burgers Allday | 

    If that had happened in America it would be have been forgotten about already. And NO WAY the cop would have apologized.

    I think this is an over-generalization about America. There are places where the constable would have been fired. There are also places where the woman would have been charged, and perhaps even convicted. America is a real mixed bag.

    Of course, the Constable should be fired because the video makes his court testimony worthless. Without credibility as a witness, he can’t do his job and should be fired for cause. This is exactly what would happen in some places in America (but not others).

    For example:

  9. #9 |  JLS | 

    I concede your point Burgers. I’m sure that has to be someplace in America where the cop would have been fired but I don’t actually know of any. Imo the cop should be charged with assault and locked up or whatever punishment would happen to one of us commoners if we had done the same thing.

  10. #10 |  llamas | 

    You’re wondering how
    You will pay
    For the way
    You did behave . . . .

    I call BS on the constable’s explanation for what he did.

    I see three big men doing the thug strut, in line abreast on the sidewalk, daring pople to get in their way. This lady had the temerity to try and pass between them instead of stepping aside, like a good citizen should, and she paid for her audacity.

    ‘Attempting to reach for my firearm’, my ass.

    I see ‘tactical’ pants and ‘raid jackets’, worn by coppers who don’t look like they’ve ever missed chow call in their lives.

    I suspect that this took place on what used to be called ‘skid row’, and these coppers were ‘showing the flag’ and making sure that the bums and panhandlers understood who’s boss.

    Too right, he ‘made a mistake’ – the mistake of allowing his compulsion to dominate a citizen by violence to bleed over into his day job. I’m sure that there are places in Vancouver where he can indulge his domination fantasies with other adults of like mind and without hurting innocent citizens.



  11. #11 |  DoubleU | 

    Speaking of Canadian police officers… do you know the guy in the center?
    And is what he did legal in Canada?

  12. #12 |  Burgers Allday | 

    Judge Raeffle case update — probably of interest to Totski’s on this thd: