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	<title>Comments on: Narco Violence Can’t Be Quarantined: What Have We Wrought?</title>
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	<description>It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do.</description>
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		<title>By: Windy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Windy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2012 21:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Besides freedom of choice, commenters also neglected to mention self-ownership/self-determination.  If I own myself, NO ONE has the right, and no government has the legitimate, legal power to tell me what I can do with or to my own body.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Besides freedom of choice, commenters also neglected to mention self-ownership/self-determination.  If I own myself, NO ONE has the right, and no government has the legitimate, legal power to tell me what I can do with or to my own body.</p>
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		<title>By: MH</title>
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		<dc:creator>MH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2012 14:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A porn war makes a criminal out of, like, every male in the country, and many women. The lesson learned from alcohol prohibition is to target demographics that are scary to white middle America -- black men, Muslims, &quot;dopers&quot; and dealers, demographics that can be repressed without turning the bulk of voters against the law.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A porn war makes a criminal out of, like, every male in the country, and many women. The lesson learned from alcohol prohibition is to target demographics that are scary to white middle America &#8212; black men, Muslims, &#8220;dopers&#8221; and dealers, demographics that can be repressed without turning the bulk of voters against the law.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris in WI</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris in WI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2012 02:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not one of you mentioned freedom of choice.  Freedom without choices isn&#039;t free.  It is precisely the ability to choose to make good and bad choices that makes you free.

Why can&#039;t auto manufacturers choose to make cars that run on hemp ethanol?

We are talking about a drug that has never been shown to kill someone directly.  Perspective people!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not one of you mentioned freedom of choice.  Freedom without choices isn&#8217;t free.  It is precisely the ability to choose to make good and bad choices that makes you free.</p>
<p>Why can&#8217;t auto manufacturers choose to make cars that run on hemp ethanol?</p>
<p>We are talking about a drug that has never been shown to kill someone directly.  Perspective people!</p>
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		<title>By: marie</title>
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		<dc:creator>marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2012 13:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;There’s to much (budget) money in it. There are only two groups of humans who profit from prohibition – Drug Barons and Drug Warriors. If prohibition of cannabis ended, both groups would lose a ton of money and power.&lt;/i&gt;

Keep your eye on the war against porn. Drug warriors become porn warriors. It begins with child porn but I predict that it will expand. The WOD is coming to an end and the US justice system and the prison system need &lt;i&gt;something&lt;/i&gt;. Porn is a safe target because...who defends child porn users? And after the media gets hold of how nasty legal adult porn is, the adult porn user may find themselves in the same lonely position.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>There’s to much (budget) money in it. There are only two groups of humans who profit from prohibition – Drug Barons and Drug Warriors. If prohibition of cannabis ended, both groups would lose a ton of money and power.</i></p>
<p>Keep your eye on the war against porn. Drug warriors become porn warriors. It begins with child porn but I predict that it will expand. The WOD is coming to an end and the US justice system and the prison system need <i>something</i>. Porn is a safe target because&#8230;who defends child porn users? And after the media gets hold of how nasty legal adult porn is, the adult porn user may find themselves in the same lonely position.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie Haase</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jamie Haase</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2012 01:18:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you all for the responses, and for having me as a guest blogger this week!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you all for the responses, and for having me as a guest blogger this week!</p>
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		<title>By: PersonFromPorlock</title>
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		<dc:creator>PersonFromPorlock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2012 23:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;of course, just like we have mobsters going after coors execs and attacking fat tire brewers…………&quot;

Next to the drug cartels, prohibition gangs were a few guys who were kind to their mothers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;of course, just like we have mobsters going after coors execs and attacking fat tire brewers…………&#8221;</p>
<p>Next to the drug cartels, prohibition gangs were a few guys who were kind to their mothers.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2012 22:24:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#10 Red

&lt;blockquote&gt;How about the Mexican government legalizes drugs and takes over the drug running operations? That would kill the cartels funding source and end the reason for the violence. If the US get’s upset about tell them to pound sand.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That would just start up a whole new level of violence after the State Department declares the Mexican Government to be &quot;terrorists.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#10 Red</p>
<blockquote><p>How about the Mexican government legalizes drugs and takes over the drug running operations? That would kill the cartels funding source and end the reason for the violence. If the US get’s upset about tell them to pound sand.</p></blockquote>
<p>That would just start up a whole new level of violence after the State Department declares the Mexican Government to be &#8220;terrorists.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Dante</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dante</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2012 21:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Legalize cannabis?  End prohibition?

Not likely to happen.  Why?

There&#039;s to much (budget) money in it.  There are only two groups of humans who profit from prohibition - Drug Barons and Drug Warriors.  If prohibition of cannabis ended, both groups would lose a ton of money and power.

In this country, any attempt at ending prohibition must go through the Drug Warriors for their approval.  Surprise, Surprise!!  They keep blocking it, using any means possible.  Same with the Drug Barons down south.

So don&#039;t hold your breath waiting for the Drug Warriors/Barons to derail their own gravy train.  We The People will have to do it for them by electing candidates who hate the War On Drugs as much as we do.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Legalize cannabis?  End prohibition?</p>
<p>Not likely to happen.  Why?</p>
<p>There&#8217;s to much (budget) money in it.  There are only two groups of humans who profit from prohibition &#8211; Drug Barons and Drug Warriors.  If prohibition of cannabis ended, both groups would lose a ton of money and power.</p>
<p>In this country, any attempt at ending prohibition must go through the Drug Warriors for their approval.  Surprise, Surprise!!  They keep blocking it, using any means possible.  Same with the Drug Barons down south.</p>
<p>So don&#8217;t hold your breath waiting for the Drug Warriors/Barons to derail their own gravy train.  We The People will have to do it for them by electing candidates who hate the War On Drugs as much as we do.</p>
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		<title>By: Red</title>
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		<dc:creator>Red</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2012 20:40:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How about the Mexican government legalizes drugs and takes over the drug running operations?  That would kill the cartels funding source and end the reason for the violence.  If the US get&#039;s upset about tell them to pound sand.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about the Mexican government legalizes drugs and takes over the drug running operations?  That would kill the cartels funding source and end the reason for the violence.  If the US get&#8217;s upset about tell them to pound sand.</p>
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		<title>By: Boxy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boxy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2012 20:36:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#2

People who are working in a legal business are much more inclined to speak up about things like murder, extortion, or robbery since they don&#039;t have to worry about the police taking them in for doing their normal business.  This gives them much more protection from the state, and even if that is insufficient, it makes it easier for them to maintain their own security.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#2</p>
<p>People who are working in a legal business are much more inclined to speak up about things like murder, extortion, or robbery since they don&#8217;t have to worry about the police taking them in for doing their normal business.  This gives them much more protection from the state, and even if that is insufficient, it makes it easier for them to maintain their own security.</p>
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		<title>By: liberranter</title>
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		<dc:creator>liberranter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2012 20:20:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@#6:  make that &quot;...illicit drug trade, this will probably provide...&quot;

Sorry about that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@#6:  make that &#8220;&#8230;illicit drug trade, this will probably provide&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Sorry about that.</p>
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		<title>By: johnl</title>
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		<dc:creator>johnl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2012 20:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[PersonfromPorlock, we send the military to South America all the time to destroy plants and hunt drug smugglers. So your idea is just more of the same.  

You are aware that booze was illegal once, and that the mafia lost the market, except for a few places like PA, when prohibition ended.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PersonfromPorlock, we send the military to South America all the time to destroy plants and hunt drug smugglers. So your idea is just more of the same.  </p>
<p>You are aware that booze was illegal once, and that the mafia lost the market, except for a few places like PA, when prohibition ended.</p>
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		<title>By: liberranter</title>
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		<dc:creator>liberranter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2012 20:19:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@#2:  By the time (Alcohol) Prohibition in America had ended in 1933, the (non-state) criminal gangs that controlled the manufacture and distribution of alcohol had already seen the end coming and had already shifted the bulk of their operations to other lucrative, &lt;I&gt;prohibited&lt;/I&gt; activities/substances such as hard narcotics.  Is there any reason to believe that today&#039;s drug cartels would react any differently?    As Jamie Haase mentioned, kidnapping and extortion will still pose a problem, but without the profits from the illicit drug trade provide insufficient income to be a primary point of profit.  Still, there are no doubt a whole host of victimless acts and products that the State has criminalized (or will soon criminalize) that the cartels will be more than happy to provide.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@#2:  By the time (Alcohol) Prohibition in America had ended in 1933, the (non-state) criminal gangs that controlled the manufacture and distribution of alcohol had already seen the end coming and had already shifted the bulk of their operations to other lucrative, <i>prohibited</i> activities/substances such as hard narcotics.  Is there any reason to believe that today&#8217;s drug cartels would react any differently?    As Jamie Haase mentioned, kidnapping and extortion will still pose a problem, but without the profits from the illicit drug trade provide insufficient income to be a primary point of profit.  Still, there are no doubt a whole host of victimless acts and products that the State has criminalized (or will soon criminalize) that the cartels will be more than happy to provide.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2012 19:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#2 &#124;  PersonFromPorlock &#124;

1. Too many Mom and Pop stores. Some Moms and Pops with guns.
2. Pfizer is already rich and can retaliate with mercenaries.
3. People will grow their own.
4. Cartels will have less money and therefore less power than now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#2 |  PersonFromPorlock |</p>
<p>1. Too many Mom and Pop stores. Some Moms and Pops with guns.<br />
2. Pfizer is already rich and can retaliate with mercenaries.<br />
3. People will grow their own.<br />
4. Cartels will have less money and therefore less power than now.</p>
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		<title>By: zendingo</title>
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		<dc:creator>zendingo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2012 19:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Why should the drug cartels be any less violent towards legal competitors under a legalized drugs regime than they are towards their illegal competitors now?&quot;

of course, just like we have mobsters going after coors execs and attacking fat tire brewers............]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Why should the drug cartels be any less violent towards legal competitors under a legalized drugs regime than they are towards their illegal competitors now?&#8221;</p>
<p>of course, just like we have mobsters going after coors execs and attacking fat tire brewers&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: PersonFromPorlock</title>
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		<dc:creator>PersonFromPorlock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2012 19:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If what I suggest above proves true, the alternative to surrendering is to treat the cartels as hostile foreign invaders and use our military to go into Mexico and kill people and break things until the cartels no longer represent a threat.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If what I suggest above proves true, the alternative to surrendering is to treat the cartels as hostile foreign invaders and use our military to go into Mexico and kill people and break things until the cartels no longer represent a threat.</p>
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		<title>By: PersonFromPorlock</title>
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		<dc:creator>PersonFromPorlock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2012 19:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why should the drug cartels be any less violent towards legal competitors under a legalized drugs regime than they are towards their illegal competitors now? A few mom-and-pop stores that sell weed go up in flames with the owners inside, Pfizer&#039;s vice-president for recreational pharmaceuticals dies messily in the executive parking lot... pretty soon drugs are functionally illegal again, it&#039;s just being enforced by the other side.

Mind you, I&#039;m all for ending the WOD. But having created a cartel monster, we may find the only way to get out of the war is to surrender.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why should the drug cartels be any less violent towards legal competitors under a legalized drugs regime than they are towards their illegal competitors now? A few mom-and-pop stores that sell weed go up in flames with the owners inside, Pfizer&#8217;s vice-president for recreational pharmaceuticals dies messily in the executive parking lot&#8230; pretty soon drugs are functionally illegal again, it&#8217;s just being enforced by the other side.</p>
<p>Mind you, I&#8217;m all for ending the WOD. But having created a cartel monster, we may find the only way to get out of the war is to surrender.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2012 19:28:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think legalizing marijuana will also bite into that &quot;icing on the cake&quot; in the same way it would bite into the profits from alcohol.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think legalizing marijuana will also bite into that &#8220;icing on the cake&#8221; in the same way it would bite into the profits from alcohol.</p>
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