Comments on: Asset Seizure and Forfeiture – The State’s (Often Wrong) Rationale for Seizing Currency During a Traffic Stop http://www.theagitator.com/2012/08/08/asset-seizure-and-forfeiture-%e2%80%93-the-state%e2%80%99s-often-wrong-rationale-for-seizing-currency-during-a-traffic-stop/ It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do. Mon, 22 Apr 2013 00:06:48 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1 By: Asset Seizure and Forfeiture – The State’s (Often Wrong) Rationale for Seizing Currency During a Traffic Stop | FreeWestRadio.com http://www.theagitator.com/2012/08/08/asset-seizure-and-forfeiture-%e2%80%93-the-state%e2%80%99s-often-wrong-rationale-for-seizing-currency-during-a-traffic-stop/comment-page-1/#comment-3679019 Asset Seizure and Forfeiture – The State’s (Often Wrong) Rationale for Seizing Currency During a Traffic Stop | FreeWestRadio.com Sat, 11 Aug 2012 17:39:56 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=25999#comment-3679019 [...] Seizing Currency During a Traffic Stop Posted by MilitantLibertarian on August 11th, 2012 by Eapen Thampy, Agitator / Americans for Forfeiture [...]

]]> By: Bergman http://www.theagitator.com/2012/08/08/asset-seizure-and-forfeiture-%e2%80%93-the-state%e2%80%99s-often-wrong-rationale-for-seizing-currency-during-a-traffic-stop/comment-page-1/#comment-3670422 Bergman Thu, 09 Aug 2012 16:09:27 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=25999#comment-3670422 Re: Reformed Republican, #3:

Innocent people act the way they do because they are innocent. Guilty people act like innocent people because they know that’s how innocent people act. Almost everyone police encounter (including other police) act like innocent people. Being innocent isn’t proof of guilt, but after a while police get used to treating it as a confession, because everyone who is guilty acts that way.

Re: Brian, #8:

Given how small an amount of drugs can result in a felony charge in some states, anyone with enough money to buy lunch at elementary school or coffee and a muffin at Starbucks has enough money to qualify under reason #21.

The technology for anyone with a smartphone to take credit/debit payments is readily available, I foresee the seizure expanding from just cash to all money once the police catch wind of this.

How many adults have enough money, between their pockets and their bank account, to buy coffee? Under reason #21 in the list, that qualifies all of their money for asset forfeiture at whim.

]]> By: Griffin3 http://www.theagitator.com/2012/08/08/asset-seizure-and-forfeiture-%e2%80%93-the-state%e2%80%99s-often-wrong-rationale-for-seizing-currency-during-a-traffic-stop/comment-page-1/#comment-3669697 Griffin3 Thu, 09 Aug 2012 12:24:47 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=25999#comment-3669697 @Brian: If I’m reading the law correctly, any amount of a “class one penalty” drug less than a gram is a “state jail felony”, according to Texas §481.115. So, $5 is enough to “enough to purchase a felony amount of narcotics” … right?

]]> By: Leon Wolfeson http://www.theagitator.com/2012/08/08/asset-seizure-and-forfeiture-%e2%80%93-the-state%e2%80%99s-often-wrong-rationale-for-seizing-currency-during-a-traffic-stop/comment-page-1/#comment-3669581 Leon Wolfeson Thu, 09 Aug 2012 11:45:28 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=25999#comment-3669581 @2 – So you want rich, white collar criminals to keep the proceeds of their crimes after their derisory jail terms?

CRIMINAL asset forfeiture is different from the “civil” crap.

]]> By: Mike Healy http://www.theagitator.com/2012/08/08/asset-seizure-and-forfeiture-%e2%80%93-the-state%e2%80%99s-often-wrong-rationale-for-seizing-currency-during-a-traffic-stop/comment-page-1/#comment-3666394 Mike Healy Wed, 08 Aug 2012 21:11:38 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=25999#comment-3666394 If you aren’t a politician, cop, or rich, you’re a serf, pure and simple. You have no rights. America seems to have died quite a while ago.

]]> By: Militant Libertarian » Asset Seizure and Forfeiture – The State’s (Often Wrong) Rationale for Seizing Currency During a Traffic Stop http://www.theagitator.com/2012/08/08/asset-seizure-and-forfeiture-%e2%80%93-the-state%e2%80%99s-often-wrong-rationale-for-seizing-currency-during-a-traffic-stop/comment-page-1/#comment-3666373 Militant Libertarian » Asset Seizure and Forfeiture – The State’s (Often Wrong) Rationale for Seizing Currency During a Traffic Stop Wed, 08 Aug 2012 21:05:12 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=25999#comment-3666373 [...] by Eapen Thampy, Agitator / Americans for Forfeiture Reform [...]

]]> By: Onlooker http://www.theagitator.com/2012/08/08/asset-seizure-and-forfeiture-%e2%80%93-the-state%e2%80%99s-often-wrong-rationale-for-seizing-currency-during-a-traffic-stop/comment-page-1/#comment-3666271 Onlooker Wed, 08 Aug 2012 20:31:31 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=25999#comment-3666271 +1 liberranter And if this crap isn’t a violation of our constitution, then we’ve got no rights at all that can’t be rationalized away. It’s just so blatant.

And I don’t care what the history of this is and how it’s grounded in some age old common law, blah, blah. It’s outright thuggish theft, period.

]]> By: Brian http://www.theagitator.com/2012/08/08/asset-seizure-and-forfeiture-%e2%80%93-the-state%e2%80%99s-often-wrong-rationale-for-seizing-currency-during-a-traffic-stop/comment-page-1/#comment-3666255 Brian Wed, 08 Aug 2012 20:29:08 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=25999#comment-3666255 “(21) the money was enough to purchase a felony amount of narcotics;”

So it’s now a criminal offense to even have enough money to buy a felony amount of narcotics? It would sure be nice to know how much money that is if that’s the case. What’s the magic number: $1000? $500?

]]> By: Nancy Lebovitz http://www.theagitator.com/2012/08/08/asset-seizure-and-forfeiture-%e2%80%93-the-state%e2%80%99s-often-wrong-rationale-for-seizing-currency-during-a-traffic-stop/comment-page-1/#comment-3665885 Nancy Lebovitz Wed, 08 Aug 2012 18:21:27 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=25999#comment-3665885 Off topic: http://gothamist.com/2012/08/04/teen_claims_she_was_handcuffed_by_a.php

]]> By: Burgers Allday http://www.theagitator.com/2012/08/08/asset-seizure-and-forfeiture-%e2%80%93-the-state%e2%80%99s-often-wrong-rationale-for-seizing-currency-during-a-traffic-stop/comment-page-1/#comment-3665827 Burgers Allday Wed, 08 Aug 2012 18:04:09 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=25999#comment-3665827 Hi Eapen:

This year I release a spoken word piece that included the use of scales to justify a police search — although in my piece it is the search of a home rather than a vehicle. Here is the link if you would like to lissen to it:

http://youtu.be/ESSIu_yw-cI

The piece is called “Not Not In Your Curtilage.” It is written to emphasize the confusing language that policemen like to use to confuse thinking.

]]> By: Balloon Maker http://www.theagitator.com/2012/08/08/asset-seizure-and-forfeiture-%e2%80%93-the-state%e2%80%99s-often-wrong-rationale-for-seizing-currency-during-a-traffic-stop/comment-page-1/#comment-3665674 Balloon Maker Wed, 08 Aug 2012 17:13:35 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=25999#comment-3665674 It’s the gub’mint’s money. theyre just letting you hold it for a while.

]]> By: Personanongrata http://www.theagitator.com/2012/08/08/asset-seizure-and-forfeiture-%e2%80%93-the-state%e2%80%99s-often-wrong-rationale-for-seizing-currency-during-a-traffic-stop/comment-page-1/#comment-3665643 Personanongrata Wed, 08 Aug 2012 17:02:39 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=25999#comment-3665643 Adding to Justice Pirtle’s twenty two arguments the State advanced to justify the seizure:

23. The “officers” take steal money from innocents because the “officers” are no better than common criminals and they can.

]]> By: Reformed Republican http://www.theagitator.com/2012/08/08/asset-seizure-and-forfeiture-%e2%80%93-the-state%e2%80%99s-often-wrong-rationale-for-seizing-currency-during-a-traffic-stop/comment-page-1/#comment-3665634 Reformed Republican Wed, 08 Aug 2012 17:00:11 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=25999#comment-3665634 he denied having any drugs in his vehicle;

Which only a guilty person would do, obviously.

]]> By: liberranter http://www.theagitator.com/2012/08/08/asset-seizure-and-forfeiture-%e2%80%93-the-state%e2%80%99s-often-wrong-rationale-for-seizing-currency-during-a-traffic-stop/comment-page-1/#comment-3665580 liberranter Wed, 08 Aug 2012 16:42:14 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=25999#comment-3665580 “Asset forfeiture” is theft, pure and simple. This fact won’t change, no matter how much legal sophistry is used to attempt to justify or rationalize it.

]]> By: Steve H. http://www.theagitator.com/2012/08/08/asset-seizure-and-forfeiture-%e2%80%93-the-state%e2%80%99s-often-wrong-rationale-for-seizing-currency-during-a-traffic-stop/comment-page-1/#comment-3665526 Steve H. Wed, 08 Aug 2012 16:27:34 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=25999#comment-3665526 I just have a hard time believing how stupid people are about dealing with leos. Give them your license, reg and insurance and SHUT UP. SAY NOTHING. except the four most important words in dealing with leos. I NEED A LAWYER. and another important phrase I DO NOT CONSENT TO ANY SEARCHES. And join the club of ALWAYS RECORD ALL POLICE ENCOUNTERS.

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