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	<title>Comments on: “Child Snatchers” and Asset Forfeiture in Butte County, CA</title>
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		<title>By: Rwolf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rwolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2012 15:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Without a Warrant: Police Drones—Recording Telephone &amp; Private Conversations In Your Home &amp; Business To Forfeit Property? 

It is problematic local police will want to use drones to record without warrants telephone and private conversations inside Americans’ homes and businesses: Despite some U.S. cities and counties banning or restricting local police using drones without warrants to invade citizens’ privacy, local police have a strong financial incentive (Civil Asset Forfeiture) to use their drones or Federal Drones. Should (no-warrant) drone surveillance evidence be allowed in courts—circumventing the Fourth Amendment, for example drones covertly recording private conversations and electronic communications in Citizens’ homes and businesses, expect federal and local police Civil Asset {Property Forfeitures to escalate. Civil asset forfeiture requires only a mere preponderance of civil evidence for federal government to forfeit property, little more than hearsay: Any conversation, phone call or other electronic communication captured by a drone inside a home or business, police could take out of context to initiate arrests and civil asset forfeitures to confiscate a home, business and related assets. Local police now circumvent state laws that require someone first be convicted of a crime before police can civilly forfeit their property—by referring their investigation to a Federal Government Agency that may legally rebate to local police up to 80% of assets the Feds forfeit. Federal Government is not required to charge anyone with a crime to civilly forfeit property. There are more than 350 laws and violations that can subject property to state and federal government asset forfeiture in addition to illegal drug forfeiture laws. Increasingly local police are paid part or all their salary from proceeds realized from civil and criminal asset forfeiture. Police have to confiscate Citizens&#039; property to keep their job. This is a clear conflict of interest. At the least, Congress should require the Federal Government prove by Clear and Convincing Evidence that a property is subject to Civil Asset Forfeiture, not a mere preponderance of civil evidence, little more than hearsay.

The passed Federal “Civil Asset Forfeiture Reform Act of 2000” effectively eliminated the “five year statue of limitations” for Government Civil Asset Forfeiture: the statute now runs five years (from the date) police allege they “learned” an asset became subject to forfeiture. It is foreseeable should (no warrant) government-drone electronic surveillance be admissible in courts, police will relentlessly sift through Citizen and businesses’ (drone captured emails, Internet data, private conversations and phone communications seized on private property in hopes of discovering crime or civil violation to cause arrests and property forfeitures. It is problematic without public oversight, a corrupt U.S. Government agency or local police, may use drone no-warrant searches of Citizens’ emails, Internet data and phone call communications to extort and blackmail Americans; sell (no-warrant drone acquired physical and electronic surveillance information) seized from Americans and private businesses. 

Almost every week the media reports police arrested and convicted for selling drugs, extorting drug dealers, falsifying reports to cause arrests; perjury in court. It is foreseeable this kind of corruption will find its way into government / police drone search and seizure of lawful Citizens&#039; private property to cause arrests and property forfeiture.

Under U.S. federal civil forfeiture laws, a person or business need not be charged with a crime for government to forfeit their property. Most U.S. Citizens, property and business owners that defend their assets against Government Civil Asset Forfeiture claim an “innocent owner defense.” This defense can become a “Catch 22” criminal prosecution trap for both guilty and innocent property owners. Any fresh denial of guilt made to government when questioned about committing a crime “even when you did not do the crime” may (involuntarily waive) a defendant’s right to assert in their defense—the “Criminal Statute of Limitations” past for prosecution; any fresh denial of guilt even 30 years after a crime was committed may allow Government prosecutors to use old and new evidence, including information discovered during a Civil Asset Forfeiture Proceeding to launch a criminal prosecution. For that reason many innocent Americans, property and business owners are reluctant to defend their property and businesses against Government Civil Asset Forfeiture.

Re: waiving Criminal Statute of Limitations: see USC18, Sec.1001, James Brogan V. United States. N0.96-1579. U.S. See paragraph (6) at:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/96-1579.ZC1.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Without a Warrant: Police Drones—Recording Telephone &amp; Private Conversations In Your Home &amp; Business To Forfeit Property? </p>
<p>It is problematic local police will want to use drones to record without warrants telephone and private conversations inside Americans’ homes and businesses: Despite some U.S. cities and counties banning or restricting local police using drones without warrants to invade citizens’ privacy, local police have a strong financial incentive (Civil Asset Forfeiture) to use their drones or Federal Drones. Should (no-warrant) drone surveillance evidence be allowed in courts—circumventing the Fourth Amendment, for example drones covertly recording private conversations and electronic communications in Citizens’ homes and businesses, expect federal and local police Civil Asset {Property Forfeitures to escalate. Civil asset forfeiture requires only a mere preponderance of civil evidence for federal government to forfeit property, little more than hearsay: Any conversation, phone call or other electronic communication captured by a drone inside a home or business, police could take out of context to initiate arrests and civil asset forfeitures to confiscate a home, business and related assets. Local police now circumvent state laws that require someone first be convicted of a crime before police can civilly forfeit their property—by referring their investigation to a Federal Government Agency that may legally rebate to local police up to 80% of assets the Feds forfeit. Federal Government is not required to charge anyone with a crime to civilly forfeit property. There are more than 350 laws and violations that can subject property to state and federal government asset forfeiture in addition to illegal drug forfeiture laws. Increasingly local police are paid part or all their salary from proceeds realized from civil and criminal asset forfeiture. Police have to confiscate Citizens&#8217; property to keep their job. This is a clear conflict of interest. At the least, Congress should require the Federal Government prove by Clear and Convincing Evidence that a property is subject to Civil Asset Forfeiture, not a mere preponderance of civil evidence, little more than hearsay.</p>
<p>The passed Federal “Civil Asset Forfeiture Reform Act of 2000” effectively eliminated the “five year statue of limitations” for Government Civil Asset Forfeiture: the statute now runs five years (from the date) police allege they “learned” an asset became subject to forfeiture. It is foreseeable should (no warrant) government-drone electronic surveillance be admissible in courts, police will relentlessly sift through Citizen and businesses’ (drone captured emails, Internet data, private conversations and phone communications seized on private property in hopes of discovering crime or civil violation to cause arrests and property forfeitures. It is problematic without public oversight, a corrupt U.S. Government agency or local police, may use drone no-warrant searches of Citizens’ emails, Internet data and phone call communications to extort and blackmail Americans; sell (no-warrant drone acquired physical and electronic surveillance information) seized from Americans and private businesses. </p>
<p>Almost every week the media reports police arrested and convicted for selling drugs, extorting drug dealers, falsifying reports to cause arrests; perjury in court. It is foreseeable this kind of corruption will find its way into government / police drone search and seizure of lawful Citizens&#8217; private property to cause arrests and property forfeiture.</p>
<p>Under U.S. federal civil forfeiture laws, a person or business need not be charged with a crime for government to forfeit their property. Most U.S. Citizens, property and business owners that defend their assets against Government Civil Asset Forfeiture claim an “innocent owner defense.” This defense can become a “Catch 22” criminal prosecution trap for both guilty and innocent property owners. Any fresh denial of guilt made to government when questioned about committing a crime “even when you did not do the crime” may (involuntarily waive) a defendant’s right to assert in their defense—the “Criminal Statute of Limitations” past for prosecution; any fresh denial of guilt even 30 years after a crime was committed may allow Government prosecutors to use old and new evidence, including information discovered during a Civil Asset Forfeiture Proceeding to launch a criminal prosecution. For that reason many innocent Americans, property and business owners are reluctant to defend their property and businesses against Government Civil Asset Forfeiture.</p>
<p>Re: waiving Criminal Statute of Limitations: see USC18, Sec.1001, James Brogan V. United States. N0.96-1579. U.S. See paragraph (6) at:<br />
<a href="http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/96-1579.ZC1.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/96-1579.ZC1.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Asset forfeiture roundup - Overlawyered</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/08/08/%e2%80%9cchild-snatchers%e2%80%9d-and-asset-forfeiture-in-butte-county-ca/comment-page-1/#comment-3805481</link>
		<dc:creator>Asset forfeiture roundup - Overlawyered</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2012 01:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] busts accompanied by aggressive forfeitures; in a perhaps not unrelated phenomenon, the county snatches kids from parents at an exceedingly high rate. More on child protective services in Butte County at the Chico News [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] busts accompanied by aggressive forfeitures; in a perhaps not unrelated phenomenon, the county snatches kids from parents at an exceedingly high rate. More on child protective services in Butte County at the Chico News [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Missing Links &#171; The Honest Courtesan</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/08/08/%e2%80%9cchild-snatchers%e2%80%9d-and-asset-forfeiture-in-butte-county-ca/comment-page-1/#comment-3682257</link>
		<dc:creator>Missing Links &#171; The Honest Courtesan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2012 10:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Major human trafficking ring exposed:  37% of poor children in one California county are literally abducted from their homes, enabling traffickers to make up to $8000 apiece. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Major human trafficking ring exposed:  37% of poor children in one California county are literally abducted from their homes, enabling traffickers to make up to $8000 apiece. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: James Hare</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/08/08/%e2%80%9cchild-snatchers%e2%80%9d-and-asset-forfeiture-in-butte-county-ca/comment-page-1/#comment-3676294</link>
		<dc:creator>James Hare</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2012 02:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;$2 million deficit by the end of fiscal year 2012, a staggering number for a county population of only 200,000&quot;

$10 per person is &quot;staggering?&quot;  That&#039;s some pretty stupid hyperbole.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;$2 million deficit by the end of fiscal year 2012, a staggering number for a county population of only 200,000&#8243;</p>
<p>$10 per person is &#8220;staggering?&#8221;  That&#8217;s some pretty stupid hyperbole.</p>
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		<title>By: Deoxy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deoxy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2012 19:27:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;around 40% of children in the county have been removed (although likely released afterwards).&lt;/blockquote&gt;

If it averages 37% a year, and 40% of the current children have been at one time or another, that represents an ANNUAL recidivism (for lack of a better term) rate of over 90% (that is, over 90% of all children that have been taken by the state before are taken by the state again).

Every year.

Yeah, that&#039;s still really REALLY hard to believe, even given the other stuff listed above.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>around 40% of children in the county have been removed (although likely released afterwards).</p></blockquote>
<p>If it averages 37% a year, and 40% of the current children have been at one time or another, that represents an ANNUAL recidivism (for lack of a better term) rate of over 90% (that is, over 90% of all children that have been taken by the state before are taken by the state again).</p>
<p>Every year.</p>
<p>Yeah, that&#8217;s still really REALLY hard to believe, even given the other stuff listed above.</p>
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		<title>By: Angela Bacca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angela Bacca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2012 04:44:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Perhaps it was unclear wording, the 37% number does not refer to the amount of children currently in custody but the proportion of children taken into custody at any given time during the last year in proportion to the amount of children in the county. There is no way to determine how many of these children go in and back out but the number is the highest per capita in the nation. around 40% of children in the county have been removed (although likely released afterwards).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps it was unclear wording, the 37% number does not refer to the amount of children currently in custody but the proportion of children taken into custody at any given time during the last year in proportion to the amount of children in the county. There is no way to determine how many of these children go in and back out but the number is the highest per capita in the nation. around 40% of children in the county have been removed (although likely released afterwards).</p>
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		<title>By: CyniCAl</title>
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		<dc:creator>CyniCAl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2012 23:21:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Active words in CSP&#039;s comment: &quot;should be.&quot;

Quite a difference between &quot;is&quot; and &quot;ought&quot; I&#039;m afraid.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Active words in CSP&#8217;s comment: &#8220;should be.&#8221;</p>
<p>Quite a difference between &#8220;is&#8221; and &#8220;ought&#8221; I&#8217;m afraid.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2012 20:30:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[See the other timely posting about &#039;absolute immunity&#039; to understand why that would never, ever happen. The State protects its own.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See the other timely posting about &#8216;absolute immunity&#8217; to understand why that would never, ever happen. The State protects its own.</p>
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		<title>By: Erica Warren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erica Warren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2012 18:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excellent post, Eapen!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post, Eapen!</p>
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		<title>By: C. S. P. Schofield</title>
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		<dc:creator>C. S. P. Schofield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2012 17:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If the allegations against Child Services are even close to true, everybody involved should be tried on charges of kidnapping, enslavement (i.e. deprivation of liberty for reasons of profit. I know it isn&#039;t a perfect fit), and anything else necessary to put the ringleaders at risk of their lives. This is disgusting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the allegations against Child Services are even close to true, everybody involved should be tried on charges of kidnapping, enslavement (i.e. deprivation of liberty for reasons of profit. I know it isn&#8217;t a perfect fit), and anything else necessary to put the ringleaders at risk of their lives. This is disgusting.</p>
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		<title>By: Helmut O' Hooligan</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/08/08/%e2%80%9cchild-snatchers%e2%80%9d-and-asset-forfeiture-in-butte-county-ca/comment-page-1/#comment-3665658</link>
		<dc:creator>Helmut O' Hooligan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2012 17:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;According to Thampy, police or task force officers who work these types of raids are able to increase their hourly salary through hazard Pay...&quot;

Hazard pay, huh.  I doubt menacing people who have small marijuana farms is that hazardous.  But if these bastards keep taking people&#039;s children, then it might get that way.  Another fine example of the state profiting off of the misery of poor people.  Now if only private correctional companies could get in on this action.

&quot;I learned a thing or two from Charlie, don&#039;t ya know
Better stay away from Copperhead Road&quot;
                                          Steve Earle]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;According to Thampy, police or task force officers who work these types of raids are able to increase their hourly salary through hazard Pay&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Hazard pay, huh.  I doubt menacing people who have small marijuana farms is that hazardous.  But if these bastards keep taking people&#8217;s children, then it might get that way.  Another fine example of the state profiting off of the misery of poor people.  Now if only private correctional companies could get in on this action.</p>
<p>&#8220;I learned a thing or two from Charlie, don&#8217;t ya know<br />
Better stay away from Copperhead Road&#8221;<br />
                                          Steve Earle</p>
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		<title>By: liberranter</title>
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		<dc:creator>liberranter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2012 16:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@9: While I would like to hope that Joe Citizen eventually does ask such a question, Joe should&#039;ve asked that question A LONG TIME AGO - like, forty-plus years ago.  If Joe has been too slow on the uptake to ask such a question before now, it hardly seems likely that he&#039;ll cultivate sufficient new brain cells and critical thinking skills to enable him to do so in the immediate future.  

Again, I hope I&#039;m wrong in my assumption, but the evidence before my eyes and ears doesn&#039;t seem encouraging.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@9: While I would like to hope that Joe Citizen eventually does ask such a question, Joe should&#8217;ve asked that question A LONG TIME AGO &#8211; like, forty-plus years ago.  If Joe has been too slow on the uptake to ask such a question before now, it hardly seems likely that he&#8217;ll cultivate sufficient new brain cells and critical thinking skills to enable him to do so in the immediate future.  </p>
<p>Again, I hope I&#8217;m wrong in my assumption, but the evidence before my eyes and ears doesn&#8217;t seem encouraging.</p>
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		<title>By: nemo</title>
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		<dc:creator>nemo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2012 16:22:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And what happens when things get so bad that Joe Citizen starts asking questions, like &lt;i&gt;&quot;Why do we need such expensive toys to beat up on &#039;pot-heads&#039; when my kids need  the money for school lunches?&quot;&lt;/i&gt; 

&lt;a href=&quot;http://reason.com/archives/2007/07/31/the-politics-of-prohibition&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Alcohol Prohibition died in no small part because we simply could not afford it anymore.&lt;/a&gt; Drug prohibition will meet the same end...but only after that question is asked, angrily, in every State.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And what happens when things get so bad that Joe Citizen starts asking questions, like <i>&#8220;Why do we need such expensive toys to beat up on &#8216;pot-heads&#8217; when my kids need  the money for school lunches?&#8221;</i> </p>
<p><a href="http://reason.com/archives/2007/07/31/the-politics-of-prohibition" rel="nofollow">Alcohol Prohibition died in no small part because we simply could not afford it anymore.</a> Drug prohibition will meet the same end&#8230;but only after that question is asked, angrily, in every State.</p>
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		<title>By: Dante</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dante</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2012 16:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Save the Children!

Oh, wait.....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Save the Children!</p>
<p>Oh, wait&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: BamBam</title>
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		<dc:creator>BamBam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2012 15:46:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@5
&lt;blockquote&gt;State law means jack shit if federal law prohibits it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The ink on paper Constitution does not enumerate federal .gov to determine who gets to ingest what.  By the same logic of &quot;laws are the rules&quot;, therefore the 10th Amendment applies -- in the absence of federal law, it is left up to the state .gov.

One cannot say laws apply, but then ignore other laws/rules.  It is not credible to behave in such a manner.  I know what reality is, but the reality is illegal and immoral and hypocritical.  Why call for the more laws, when existing laws are ignored by the same entity?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@5</p>
<blockquote><p>State law means jack shit if federal law prohibits it.</p></blockquote>
<p>The ink on paper Constitution does not enumerate federal .gov to determine who gets to ingest what.  By the same logic of &#8220;laws are the rules&#8221;, therefore the 10th Amendment applies &#8212; in the absence of federal law, it is left up to the state .gov.</p>
<p>One cannot say laws apply, but then ignore other laws/rules.  It is not credible to behave in such a manner.  I know what reality is, but the reality is illegal and immoral and hypocritical.  Why call for the more laws, when existing laws are ignored by the same entity?</p>
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		<title>By: Silver Fang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Silver Fang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2012 15:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Time for the citizens of Butte County to exercise their Second Amendment rights.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Time for the citizens of Butte County to exercise their Second Amendment rights.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2012 15:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The system has become so corrupted that the county governmental agencies now work together in symbiotic collusion to exploit legal, compliant marijuana growers.&quot;

They are NOT legal growers. State law means jack shit if federal law prohibits it. All these medical marijuana state initiatives are a waste of time, money, and resources that would be better spent on full on federal legalization.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The system has become so corrupted that the county governmental agencies now work together in symbiotic collusion to exploit legal, compliant marijuana growers.&#8221;</p>
<p>They are NOT legal growers. State law means jack shit if federal law prohibits it. All these medical marijuana state initiatives are a waste of time, money, and resources that would be better spent on full on federal legalization.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2012 15:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@#2, it could also be the case that 37% have some type of coerced interaction with CPS each year, during which time they&#039;re in protective custody, although the overwhelming majority of that group probably returns home relatively quickly.  Agree that it seems like a misleading stat.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@#2, it could also be the case that 37% have some type of coerced interaction with CPS each year, during which time they&#8217;re in protective custody, although the overwhelming majority of that group probably returns home relatively quickly.  Agree that it seems like a misleading stat.</p>
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		<title>By: CyniCAl</title>
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		<dc:creator>CyniCAl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2012 15:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The State has just one prime directive: survival.

The State depends on money to survive; ergo, it will obtain that money by any means necessary.  And since the State has a monopoly on violence in its jurisdiction, it should be unsurprising that violence is its method of choice.

As the shit continues to hit the fan, with municipalities all across the US either facing bankruptcy or actively pursuing it, expect these kinds of incidents to increase proportionately.

And, as usual, you Joe Citizen, and I, will continue to take it in the ass.  Welcome to the new normal.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The State has just one prime directive: survival.</p>
<p>The State depends on money to survive; ergo, it will obtain that money by any means necessary.  And since the State has a monopoly on violence in its jurisdiction, it should be unsurprising that violence is its method of choice.</p>
<p>As the shit continues to hit the fan, with municipalities all across the US either facing bankruptcy or actively pursuing it, expect these kinds of incidents to increase proportionately.</p>
<p>And, as usual, you Joe Citizen, and I, will continue to take it in the ass.  Welcome to the new normal.</p>
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		<title>By: Deoxy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deoxy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2012 15:16:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Nearly 37% of impoverished children in the county are taken into protective custody in Butte County every year&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This is unbelievably unlikely - it is a great example of innumeracy.

Either that has happened, like, ONCE (one year), or the population of the poor children is that country is contracting at Black Death-like rates, and the problem will solve itself very shortly (as there will be no more poor children to take, other than whatever infants are born each year).

Yes, the rest of the article is pretty scary, but that bit is laughable.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Nearly 37% of impoverished children in the county are taken into protective custody in Butte County every year</p></blockquote>
<p>This is unbelievably unlikely &#8211; it is a great example of innumeracy.</p>
<p>Either that has happened, like, ONCE (one year), or the population of the poor children is that country is contracting at Black Death-like rates, and the problem will solve itself very shortly (as there will be no more poor children to take, other than whatever infants are born each year).</p>
<p>Yes, the rest of the article is pretty scary, but that bit is laughable.</p>
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