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	<title>Comments on: FAILURE &amp; THE BATMAN SHOOTING SUSPECT by Lenore Skenazy</title>
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	<description>It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do.</description>
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		<title>By: Miranda</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/08/02/failure-the-batman-shooting-suspect-by-lenore-skenazy/comment-page-2/#comment-3660740</link>
		<dc:creator>Miranda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2012 14:33:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I worked with inmates for over five years. Some of them I got to know very well, including their upbringing and family histories. None of them - not one - had his life screwed up by being uplifted or complimented too much. Quite the opposite, no on had ever told them they were special or mattered. They never won a damn thing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I worked with inmates for over five years. Some of them I got to know very well, including their upbringing and family histories. None of them &#8211; not one &#8211; had his life screwed up by being uplifted or complimented too much. Quite the opposite, no on had ever told them they were special or mattered. They never won a damn thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Stormy Dragon</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/08/02/failure-the-batman-shooting-suspect-by-lenore-skenazy/comment-page-2/#comment-3647590</link>
		<dc:creator>Stormy Dragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2012 17:37:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;and “they might lose their scholarship”.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This is a legitimate concern.  If we truly want kids to be able to learn from failure, then we need to provide an environment where they can fail.  Financial ruin is not a natural consequence of failing a test.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>and “they might lose their scholarship”.</p></blockquote>
<p>This is a legitimate concern.  If we truly want kids to be able to learn from failure, then we need to provide an environment where they can fail.  Financial ruin is not a natural consequence of failing a test.</p>
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		<title>By: digamma</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/08/02/failure-the-batman-shooting-suspect-by-lenore-skenazy/comment-page-2/#comment-3646588</link>
		<dc:creator>digamma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2012 13:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Find a more substantive reason to post about the “everybody is a winner” syndrome, which has been so heavily reported that it’s become a cliche.&lt;/i&gt;

In Bill James&#039;s HIstorical Baseball Abstract, he put together sets of quotes from each era (going back to 1900 or so) saying that &quot;the ballplayers of today&quot; are not up to the standards of the previous generation. I suspect a similar principle holds for kids&#039; being coddled. The kids of today are always being unacceptably coddled.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Find a more substantive reason to post about the “everybody is a winner” syndrome, which has been so heavily reported that it’s become a cliche.</i></p>
<p>In Bill James&#8217;s HIstorical Baseball Abstract, he put together sets of quotes from each era (going back to 1900 or so) saying that &#8220;the ballplayers of today&#8221; are not up to the standards of the previous generation. I suspect a similar principle holds for kids&#8217; being coddled. The kids of today are always being unacceptably coddled.</p>
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		<title>By: Articles for Saturday &#187; Scott Lazarowitz&#039;s Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/08/02/failure-the-batman-shooting-suspect-by-lenore-skenazy/comment-page-2/#comment-3646212</link>
		<dc:creator>Articles for Saturday &#187; Scott Lazarowitz&#039;s Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2012 11:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Lenore Skenazy: Failure and the Batman Shooting Suspect  [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: A. N.</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/08/02/failure-the-batman-shooting-suspect-by-lenore-skenazy/comment-page-2/#comment-3646038</link>
		<dc:creator>A. N.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2012 10:14:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[He did NOT buy a hi powered rifle. An AR15 may look scary to non-gun types but it is hardly hi powered. It shoots a .223 or 5.56x45 projectile which is tiny  relative to nearly all other rifle cartridges. 

In fact, .223 is not legal in most states to hunt deer with because of the lack of killing power. Its typically used for small game and varmints.

Let&#039;s not parrot the anti-gun crowd&#039;s ignorance with regard to firearms and phrases they don&#039;t understand.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He did NOT buy a hi powered rifle. An AR15 may look scary to non-gun types but it is hardly hi powered. It shoots a .223 or 5.56&#215;45 projectile which is tiny  relative to nearly all other rifle cartridges. </p>
<p>In fact, .223 is not legal in most states to hunt deer with because of the lack of killing power. Its typically used for small game and varmints.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s not parrot the anti-gun crowd&#8217;s ignorance with regard to firearms and phrases they don&#8217;t understand.</p>
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		<title>By: FWB</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/08/02/failure-the-batman-shooting-suspect-by-lenore-skenazy/comment-page-2/#comment-3642550</link>
		<dc:creator>FWB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2012 18:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Want to see a sad sight?  Watch a kid who has just entered college and fails that first exam.  I&#039;ve had so many just devastated &#039;cause &quot;they always got A&#039;s in school&quot; and &quot;they might lose their scholarship&quot;.  I just remind them college ain&#039;t public school and tell them to go study.

Life&#039;s hard.  It&#039;s really hard when you are stupid. - John Wayne.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Want to see a sad sight?  Watch a kid who has just entered college and fails that first exam.  I&#8217;ve had so many just devastated &#8217;cause &#8220;they always got A&#8217;s in school&#8221; and &#8220;they might lose their scholarship&#8221;.  I just remind them college ain&#8217;t public school and tell them to go study.</p>
<p>Life&#8217;s hard.  It&#8217;s really hard when you are stupid. &#8211; John Wayne.</p>
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		<title>By: Fnord</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/08/02/failure-the-batman-shooting-suspect-by-lenore-skenazy/comment-page-2/#comment-3642158</link>
		<dc:creator>Fnord</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2012 16:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, come on.

I just spent two weeks reminding people agitating for gun control, censorship of media violence, etc, that these types of events account for only a tiny fraction of the violence in the United States and also nothing new. Using them as commentary about popular trends or as motivations for policy is a bad idea.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, come on.</p>
<p>I just spent two weeks reminding people agitating for gun control, censorship of media violence, etc, that these types of events account for only a tiny fraction of the violence in the United States and also nothing new. Using them as commentary about popular trends or as motivations for policy is a bad idea.</p>
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		<title>By: el coronado</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/08/02/failure-the-batman-shooting-suspect-by-lenore-skenazy/comment-page-2/#comment-3640047</link>
		<dc:creator>el coronado</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2012 07:02:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, that&#039;s one way to look at it, Windy. Mental illness, tragic accident.....Here&#039;s another: maybe this was - to quote the *actual* Joker - &quot;Aaallllll part of the _plannn_&quot;. This was a guy with a genius-level IQ. He was certainly planning to get away: all reports I read mention he was taken at his still-idling car. He thoroughly booby-trapped his apt. for the cops he knew would be busting in. The only reason they knew to look for &#039;em was he told &#039;em they were there: maybe because he knew the cops would (literally) beat him to death if the bombs took out a cop or 10. But that&#039;s ALL he told them: remember, he lawyered up instantly upon arrest - and he was arrested without resistance, despite being heavily armed. Once he was arrested, he employed every logical and legal means he could use to protect....him. Is that indicative of mental illness? Protecting his own sorry ass any way he could? Maybe. Maybe not. Maybe he&#039;s just a very bright sick fuck who should have been drowned at birth.

And near as I can tell, no one ever remembers him acting nuts - save for a weird voicemail greeting - until after his arrest. Then &amp; only then does he start acting and looking like he&#039;s the real Joker. Spitting at guards. Asking how the movie ended. Appearing spacey and &#039;not there&#039; in court. All of which can be easily faked, even by a non-genius. 

I submit - with no more evidence than any other internet schmo proclaiming the guy was schizo - I submit the crazy act he&#039;s showing us now is his Plan B. &quot;If I get caught, better to do the time in a mental institution, where odds are I&#039;m *much* smarter than the docs who&#039;ll be &#039;treating&#039; me, than in a max-security hellhole prison. A prison where I&#039;d be a target 24/7. If nothing else, I&#039;d get lots of drugs: might be fun, &amp; they&#039;d sure help the time pass.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, that&#8217;s one way to look at it, Windy. Mental illness, tragic accident&#8230;..Here&#8217;s another: maybe this was &#8211; to quote the *actual* Joker &#8211; &#8220;Aaallllll part of the _plannn_&#8221;. This was a guy with a genius-level IQ. He was certainly planning to get away: all reports I read mention he was taken at his still-idling car. He thoroughly booby-trapped his apt. for the cops he knew would be busting in. The only reason they knew to look for &#8216;em was he told &#8216;em they were there: maybe because he knew the cops would (literally) beat him to death if the bombs took out a cop or 10. But that&#8217;s ALL he told them: remember, he lawyered up instantly upon arrest &#8211; and he was arrested without resistance, despite being heavily armed. Once he was arrested, he employed every logical and legal means he could use to protect&#8230;.him. Is that indicative of mental illness? Protecting his own sorry ass any way he could? Maybe. Maybe not. Maybe he&#8217;s just a very bright sick fuck who should have been drowned at birth.</p>
<p>And near as I can tell, no one ever remembers him acting nuts &#8211; save for a weird voicemail greeting &#8211; until after his arrest. Then &amp; only then does he start acting and looking like he&#8217;s the real Joker. Spitting at guards. Asking how the movie ended. Appearing spacey and &#8216;not there&#8217; in court. All of which can be easily faked, even by a non-genius. </p>
<p>I submit &#8211; with no more evidence than any other internet schmo proclaiming the guy was schizo &#8211; I submit the crazy act he&#8217;s showing us now is his Plan B. &#8220;If I get caught, better to do the time in a mental institution, where odds are I&#8217;m *much* smarter than the docs who&#8217;ll be &#8216;treating&#8217; me, than in a max-security hellhole prison. A prison where I&#8217;d be a target 24/7. If nothing else, I&#8217;d get lots of drugs: might be fun, &amp; they&#8217;d sure help the time pass.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Windy</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/08/02/failure-the-batman-shooting-suspect-by-lenore-skenazy/comment-page-2/#comment-3639936</link>
		<dc:creator>Windy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2012 06:36:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I intended to emphasize the word &quot;could&quot;, not saying I actually believe it (it is so far out there) but the photos do raise questions about the reason for such a rapid alteration.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I intended to emphasize the word &#8220;could&#8221;, not saying I actually believe it (it is so far out there) but the photos do raise questions about the reason for such a rapid alteration.</p>
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		<title>By: Windy</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/08/02/failure-the-batman-shooting-suspect-by-lenore-skenazy/comment-page-2/#comment-3639920</link>
		<dc:creator>Windy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2012 06:30:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This link is to a poster (the paper kind) suggesting some kind of conspiracy.  I don&#039;t think I can buy into the kind of conspiracy suggested, but the differences between the before and after pics are striking.  It is pretty obvious the pics are of the same dude (the ears, the beard line, the jaw, shape, the adam&#039;s apple).  What kind of incident do you suppose triggered the change in personality which caused him to color his hair; what happened to turn that easy smile into an expression of such pain, uncertainty and deep sadness?  What was it that broke his mind?  A mental illness?  A physical illness?  A tragic incident or accident?  Or could there be something more sinister behind it?

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=500644379961905&amp;set=a.422029994490011.117542.114974668528880&amp;type=1&amp;ref=nf]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This link is to a poster (the paper kind) suggesting some kind of conspiracy.  I don&#8217;t think I can buy into the kind of conspiracy suggested, but the differences between the before and after pics are striking.  It is pretty obvious the pics are of the same dude (the ears, the beard line, the jaw, shape, the adam&#8217;s apple).  What kind of incident do you suppose triggered the change in personality which caused him to color his hair; what happened to turn that easy smile into an expression of such pain, uncertainty and deep sadness?  What was it that broke his mind?  A mental illness?  A physical illness?  A tragic incident or accident?  Or could there be something more sinister behind it?</p>
<p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=500644379961905&#038;set=a.422029994490011.117542.114974668528880&#038;type=1&#038;ref=nf" rel="nofollow">https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=500644379961905&#038;set=a.422029994490011.117542.114974668528880&#038;type=1&#038;ref=nf</a></p>
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		<title>By: UvalDuvalCuckoo</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/08/02/failure-the-batman-shooting-suspect-by-lenore-skenazy/comment-page-2/#comment-3639802</link>
		<dc:creator>UvalDuvalCuckoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2012 06:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Man there&#039;s a lot of Butthurt going on here.  Other Sean hits a bullseye on this. I happened to think the post as a little stretch but many of the responses are ridiculous (how many other threads has Radley had to step into?)  The Snotty comments about how not being complete a-holes == giving everyone a trophy is pretty lame too.  Grading ONE freaking test on a small curve is hardly the same as putting a kid with a 50% average on the honor roll.   The post is food for thought and from what I saw, it looked like something to just start a discussion. All the guest bloggers have been great and I&#039;m willing to bet this one will be too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man there&#8217;s a lot of Butthurt going on here.  Other Sean hits a bullseye on this. I happened to think the post as a little stretch but many of the responses are ridiculous (how many other threads has Radley had to step into?)  The Snotty comments about how not being complete a-holes == giving everyone a trophy is pretty lame too.  Grading ONE freaking test on a small curve is hardly the same as putting a kid with a 50% average on the honor roll.   The post is food for thought and from what I saw, it looked like something to just start a discussion. All the guest bloggers have been great and I&#8217;m willing to bet this one will be too.</p>
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		<title>By: Lefty</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/08/02/failure-the-batman-shooting-suspect-by-lenore-skenazy/comment-page-2/#comment-3639614</link>
		<dc:creator>Lefty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2012 05:06:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m an Ed Brayton fan. Which is how I found my way here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m an Ed Brayton fan. Which is how I found my way here.</p>
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		<title>By: Lefty</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/08/02/failure-the-batman-shooting-suspect-by-lenore-skenazy/comment-page-2/#comment-3639597</link>
		<dc:creator>Lefty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2012 05:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Had to google him. Looks like a doofus.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Had to google him. Looks like a doofus.</p>
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		<title>By: Jess</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/08/02/failure-the-batman-shooting-suspect-by-lenore-skenazy/comment-page-2/#comment-3639320</link>
		<dc:creator>Jess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2012 03:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lefty, the conspiracy is between your ears. Or perhaps lodged in them.

I bet you&#039;re a big Jim Bohannon fan.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lefty, the conspiracy is between your ears. Or perhaps lodged in them.</p>
<p>I bet you&#8217;re a big Jim Bohannon fan.</p>
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		<title>By: Other Sean</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/08/02/failure-the-batman-shooting-suspect-by-lenore-skenazy/comment-page-2/#comment-3639186</link>
		<dc:creator>Other Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2012 03:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s not the article that&#039;s a parody, it&#039;s the thread.

Whenever some cop does something vicious (or even just something stupid), the comment gallery here can&#039;t psychoanalyze him fast enough. Everyone knows with total certainty that he must be a power-crazed, racist steroid abuser with a 3 inch dick and a 2.20 GPA.  Go try to introduce a little nuance into one of those threads, and see where that gets you.

But let a brand new guest blogger venture a bit of (perfectly cautious and perfectly polite) speculation about a current event, and HOLY FUCKING SHIT!, the intellectual quality control goon squad just appears out of nowhere, ready to smash down anything that falls short of peer review in a medical journal.

And speaking of new things...when did you all discover this profound respect for and deference to the mental health industry?  These are the same people who, for better than 40 years now, have done far more than their patriotic part in keeping the drug war alive.

Whenever a behavior is deemed undesirable, they stand ready to classify it as a disease.  Whenever an illegal drug is an danger of becoming socially accepted, they can be counted on to deliver new &quot;research&quot; proving that it is still, and always will be, the devil&#039;s favorite poison.  Whenever they&#039;re not doing either of those things, they&#039;re out pumping people full of legal but unproven drugs, in response to totally un-falsifiable diagnoses, on the way to an endless series of unsatisfactory patient outcomes.

By all means, let&#039;s hear what THEY have to say about James Holmes.  They can&#039;t keep letting us down, if we don&#039;t keep letting them try!

I mean, it&#039;s not like Lenore Skenazy ever did anything positive for anyone&#039;s mental health, by helping them develop the capacity for independent thought and action.  It&#039;s not like that at all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not the article that&#8217;s a parody, it&#8217;s the thread.</p>
<p>Whenever some cop does something vicious (or even just something stupid), the comment gallery here can&#8217;t psychoanalyze him fast enough. Everyone knows with total certainty that he must be a power-crazed, racist steroid abuser with a 3 inch dick and a 2.20 GPA.  Go try to introduce a little nuance into one of those threads, and see where that gets you.</p>
<p>But let a brand new guest blogger venture a bit of (perfectly cautious and perfectly polite) speculation about a current event, and HOLY FUCKING SHIT!, the intellectual quality control goon squad just appears out of nowhere, ready to smash down anything that falls short of peer review in a medical journal.</p>
<p>And speaking of new things&#8230;when did you all discover this profound respect for and deference to the mental health industry?  These are the same people who, for better than 40 years now, have done far more than their patriotic part in keeping the drug war alive.</p>
<p>Whenever a behavior is deemed undesirable, they stand ready to classify it as a disease.  Whenever an illegal drug is an danger of becoming socially accepted, they can be counted on to deliver new &#8220;research&#8221; proving that it is still, and always will be, the devil&#8217;s favorite poison.  Whenever they&#8217;re not doing either of those things, they&#8217;re out pumping people full of legal but unproven drugs, in response to totally un-falsifiable diagnoses, on the way to an endless series of unsatisfactory patient outcomes.</p>
<p>By all means, let&#8217;s hear what THEY have to say about James Holmes.  They can&#8217;t keep letting us down, if we don&#8217;t keep letting them try!</p>
<p>I mean, it&#8217;s not like Lenore Skenazy ever did anything positive for anyone&#8217;s mental health, by helping them develop the capacity for independent thought and action.  It&#8217;s not like that at all.</p>
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		<title>By: bill</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/08/02/failure-the-batman-shooting-suspect-by-lenore-skenazy/comment-page-2/#comment-3638922</link>
		<dc:creator>bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2012 02:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[wow. if this article was serious , then, wow. If this was parody ,it was very poorly done.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow. if this article was serious , then, wow. If this was parody ,it was very poorly done.</p>
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		<title>By: RT</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/08/02/failure-the-batman-shooting-suspect-by-lenore-skenazy/comment-page-2/#comment-3638635</link>
		<dc:creator>RT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2012 01:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Holmes planned this long before he failed that test.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holmes planned this long before he failed that test.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Verdon</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/08/02/failure-the-batman-shooting-suspect-by-lenore-skenazy/comment-page-2/#comment-3638312</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Verdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2012 23:41:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;the next 16&lt;i&gt; should be &lt;i&gt;the next 8&lt;/i&gt;...basically the top 16 finishers at big meets get some sort of nod to their performance.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>the next 16</i><i> should be </i><i>the next 8</i>&#8230;basically the top 16 finishers at big meets get some sort of nod to their performance.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Verdon</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/08/02/failure-the-batman-shooting-suspect-by-lenore-skenazy/comment-page-2/#comment-3638298</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Verdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2012 23:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not sure I buy this &quot;everyone gets a trophy&quot; tope.  Sure I goes on in some instances.  However try swimming for kids.  First - third, a medal.  Fourth  eighth a ribbon...after that, nada.  At the larger meets the top 8 finishers get medals, the next 16 get consolation certificates (keep in mind that a single event can have over 100 swimmers).  And they&#039;ll DQ swimmers for messing up.  Even little kids (5,6,7, and up) crying still get DQed for messing up a stroke.  You either do it right or the race doesn&#039;t count.  And at the big meets if you miss your event...sorry, that was now your last event (including relays).

However, the notion that &quot;everyone is a winner&quot; is something promoted in swimming, but with a different angle than giving everyone a meaningless medal or trophy.  You &quot;win&quot; if you improve your times (often no trophy/medal).  You &quot;win&quot; if you come in higher than your seed position (often no trophy/medal).  You &quot;win&quot; if achieve a time standard goal that you set for yourself (often no trophy/medal).  In other words, you &quot;win&quot; if you work hard at getting better and actually do get better and there isn&#039;t always a trophy there if you do achieve your goal.

I&#039;m sure when kids get into other sports in a serious manner it is similar.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure I buy this &#8220;everyone gets a trophy&#8221; tope.  Sure I goes on in some instances.  However try swimming for kids.  First &#8211; third, a medal.  Fourth  eighth a ribbon&#8230;after that, nada.  At the larger meets the top 8 finishers get medals, the next 16 get consolation certificates (keep in mind that a single event can have over 100 swimmers).  And they&#8217;ll DQ swimmers for messing up.  Even little kids (5,6,7, and up) crying still get DQed for messing up a stroke.  You either do it right or the race doesn&#8217;t count.  And at the big meets if you miss your event&#8230;sorry, that was now your last event (including relays).</p>
<p>However, the notion that &#8220;everyone is a winner&#8221; is something promoted in swimming, but with a different angle than giving everyone a meaningless medal or trophy.  You &#8220;win&#8221; if you improve your times (often no trophy/medal).  You &#8220;win&#8221; if you come in higher than your seed position (often no trophy/medal).  You &#8220;win&#8221; if achieve a time standard goal that you set for yourself (often no trophy/medal).  In other words, you &#8220;win&#8221; if you work hard at getting better and actually do get better and there isn&#8217;t always a trophy there if you do achieve your goal.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure when kids get into other sports in a serious manner it is similar.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Krueger</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/08/02/failure-the-batman-shooting-suspect-by-lenore-skenazy/comment-page-2/#comment-3638290</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Krueger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2012 23:34:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t find amateur psychoanalysis that disagreeable.  Deny it all you want, but everyone analyzes the motives and intentions of people they come into contact with, see on the news, or hear about from other people. It&#039;s practically a necessity to survive and succeed in life.  If you&#039;re a parent or an advice columnist, you do it a lot.  We speculate on this blog daily about what motivates cops, prosecutors, and their victims.

And given the history of professional psychiatry which cooks up and discards &quot;disorders&quot; by popular consensus and then freely (for a huge fee) sticks those labels on people (especially children) almost at random (do any two psychiatric diagnoses ever agree?), I don&#039;t think the word &quot;professional&quot; necessarily carries a huge degree of scientific credibility in this particular field.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t find amateur psychoanalysis that disagreeable.  Deny it all you want, but everyone analyzes the motives and intentions of people they come into contact with, see on the news, or hear about from other people. It&#8217;s practically a necessity to survive and succeed in life.  If you&#8217;re a parent or an advice columnist, you do it a lot.  We speculate on this blog daily about what motivates cops, prosecutors, and their victims.</p>
<p>And given the history of professional psychiatry which cooks up and discards &#8220;disorders&#8221; by popular consensus and then freely (for a huge fee) sticks those labels on people (especially children) almost at random (do any two psychiatric diagnoses ever agree?), I don&#8217;t think the word &#8220;professional&#8221; necessarily carries a huge degree of scientific credibility in this particular field.</p>
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