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	<description>It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do.</description>
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		<title>By: Leon Wolfeson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leon Wolfeson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2012 04:21:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@24 - You need convictions to be re-elected for these jobs. Do the math...&quot;tough on crime&quot; works, especially when you can deploy phrases like &quot;think of the children&quot; against anyone suggesting LESS prosecutions.

Again, not a problem for a civil service where you&#039;re not paid or promoted directly in line with your prosecution rate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@24 &#8211; You need convictions to be re-elected for these jobs. Do the math&#8230;&#8221;tough on crime&#8221; works, especially when you can deploy phrases like &#8220;think of the children&#8221; against anyone suggesting LESS prosecutions.</p>
<p>Again, not a problem for a civil service where you&#8217;re not paid or promoted directly in line with your prosecution rate.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;I&gt;The Constitution for the United States does no such thing. While so dumbass court claim such, there is NOTHING in the Constitution that requires such. &lt;/I&gt;

&quot;Due process of law&quot; means something to the court system, even if that meaning is less and less with each passing year.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The Constitution for the United States does no such thing. While so dumbass court claim such, there is NOTHING in the Constitution that requires such. </i></p>
<p>&#8220;Due process of law&#8221; means something to the court system, even if that meaning is less and less with each passing year.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 09:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dave, your argument without a doubt can work both ways. It is important for both sides to have all the evidence. Allow the defense to determine what is important or not to his or her case after all, and I mean all the evidence is available to both sides.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, your argument without a doubt can work both ways. It is important for both sides to have all the evidence. Allow the defense to determine what is important or not to his or her case after all, and I mean all the evidence is available to both sides.</p>
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		<title>By: Personanongrata</title>
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		<dc:creator>Personanongrata</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2012 23:07:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wonder whats in the water cooler at the LA County DA&#039;s Office.

These folks are seriously deluded if they believe erecting gatekeepers to guard against the flow of excupatory/impeaching evidence is in keeping with
Brady v. Maryland, 373 U.S. 83 (1963).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder whats in the water cooler at the LA County DA&#8217;s Office.</p>
<p>These folks are seriously deluded if they believe erecting gatekeepers to guard against the flow of excupatory/impeaching evidence is in keeping with<br />
Brady v. Maryland, 373 U.S. 83 (1963).</p>
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		<title>By: rmv</title>
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		<dc:creator>rmv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2012 15:27:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@19 dwb

Read the first couple of links]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@19 dwb</p>
<p>Read the first couple of links</p>
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		<title>By: Weird Willy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Weird Willy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2012 11:22:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;QUICK! Someone put these noble folk in charge of our health care!&quot;

Boyd, that would require that we allow the staff of the LADA&#039;s office both to prohibit the provision of health care through means that they do not control and to administer all remaining health care delivery mechanisms.  Why in the world would we want to do that?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;QUICK! Someone put these noble folk in charge of our health care!&#8221;</p>
<p>Boyd, that would require that we allow the staff of the LADA&#8217;s office both to prohibit the provision of health care through means that they do not control and to administer all remaining health care delivery mechanisms.  Why in the world would we want to do that?</p>
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		<title>By: Bergman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bergman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2012 08:40:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: Yizmo Gizmo, #8:
 
Always remember one thing when dealing with ANYONE:
 
If nobody ever broke the law, nobody would have ever invented police.
 
Assuming that because police enforce the law they somehow cease to be human is foolish, at best.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Yizmo Gizmo, #8:</p>
<p>Always remember one thing when dealing with ANYONE:</p>
<p>If nobody ever broke the law, nobody would have ever invented police.</p>
<p>Assuming that because police enforce the law they somehow cease to be human is foolish, at best.</p>
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		<title>By: Windy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Windy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2012 06:28:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Prosecutors are culturally prone to believe government witnesses and disbelieve accusations against them; it’s patently ridiculous to make them the gatekeepers of what damaging information is sufficiently credible to be turned over to the defense.&quot;

This bias might be prevented if my idea were to take hold, a requirement that any attorney seeking to become a prosecutor must first have 10 years of active criminal defense under his/her belt.

It seems to me that would ensure that all prosecutors would have had experience with cops testilying and other prosecutorial tricks designed to diminish the effects of 4th Amendment concerns, so they would not be quite so gullible about cops and other government witnesses, and they&#039;d also have a better understanding of how innocent defendants are often railroaded by the prosecution into pleas because they are frightened of a trial, and would instill greater compassion for defendants in future prosecutors.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Prosecutors are culturally prone to believe government witnesses and disbelieve accusations against them; it’s patently ridiculous to make them the gatekeepers of what damaging information is sufficiently credible to be turned over to the defense.&#8221;</p>
<p>This bias might be prevented if my idea were to take hold, a requirement that any attorney seeking to become a prosecutor must first have 10 years of active criminal defense under his/her belt.</p>
<p>It seems to me that would ensure that all prosecutors would have had experience with cops testilying and other prosecutorial tricks designed to diminish the effects of 4th Amendment concerns, so they would not be quite so gullible about cops and other government witnesses, and they&#8217;d also have a better understanding of how innocent defendants are often railroaded by the prosecution into pleas because they are frightened of a trial, and would instill greater compassion for defendants in future prosecutors.</p>
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		<title>By: dwb</title>
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		<dc:creator>dwb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2012 05:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Constitution for the United States does no such thing.  While so dumbass court claim such, there is NOTHING in the Constitution that requires such.  

The Constitution is rules for the operation of the federal government and is nothing more.  The Constitution does not concern itself with individuals outside the limitations expressed in the Bill of Rights.

Before you make a s2pid statement, learn what the Constitution does and does not state.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Constitution for the United States does no such thing.  While so dumbass court claim such, there is NOTHING in the Constitution that requires such.  </p>
<p>The Constitution is rules for the operation of the federal government and is nothing more.  The Constitution does not concern itself with individuals outside the limitations expressed in the Bill of Rights.</p>
<p>Before you make a s2pid statement, learn what the Constitution does and does not state.</p>
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		<title>By: John Pomeroy</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Pomeroy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2012 22:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#7 Dante,

Didn&#039;t Holder make a similar statement in regards to KSM and his New York City trial? Because after all, we wouldn&#039;t have detained him, her, them if he, she, they weren&#039;t guilty now would we?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#7 Dante,</p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t Holder make a similar statement in regards to KSM and his New York City trial? Because after all, we wouldn&#8217;t have detained him, her, them if he, she, they weren&#8217;t guilty now would we?</p>
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		<title>By: Burgers Allday</title>
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		<dc:creator>Burgers Allday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2012 22:38:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OT alert (sorry, Mr. K. White, I understand that this is an articulate and informed post on an important subject):

http://www.policeone.com/officer-shootings/articles/5827342-Fla-deputies-shoot-kill-wrong-suspect/

welcome to Iraq, my &lt;i&gt;Totski&#039;s&lt;/i&gt;!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OT alert (sorry, Mr. K. White, I understand that this is an articulate and informed post on an important subject):</p>
<p><a href="http://www.policeone.com/officer-shootings/articles/5827342-Fla-deputies-shoot-kill-wrong-suspect/" rel="nofollow">http://www.policeone.com/officer-shootings/articles/5827342-Fla-deputies-shoot-kill-wrong-suspect/</a></p>
<p>welcome to Iraq, my <i>Totski&#8217;s</i>!</p>
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		<title>By: Leon Wolfeson</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/07/17/in-which-you-discover-only-what-the-state-thinks-you-should/comment-page-1/#comment-3551385</link>
		<dc:creator>Leon Wolfeson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2012 22:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, it&#039;s what happens when you don&#039;t use a properly professional force of prosecutors, but rather elect them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, it&#8217;s what happens when you don&#8217;t use a properly professional force of prosecutors, but rather elect them.</p>
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		<title>By: Allen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2012 21:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What, did they go to the Kern County School of Prosecution? Ed Jagels would be proud.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What, did they go to the Kern County School of Prosecution? Ed Jagels would be proud.</p>
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		<title>By: Boyd Durkin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boyd Durkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2012 18:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;
Where’s Obama furiously vowing to fight this unAmerican jive?
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

He&#039;s on the Kiss-Cam and posing for steamy pics of himself in the rain (which seem to get all the neckbeards&#039; panties wet on Reddit and other places).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>
Where’s Obama furiously vowing to fight this unAmerican jive?
</p></blockquote>
<p>He&#8217;s on the Kiss-Cam and posing for steamy pics of himself in the rain (which seem to get all the neckbeards&#8217; panties wet on Reddit and other places).</p>
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		<title>By: Boyd Durkin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boyd Durkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2012 18:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[QUICK!  Someone put these noble folk in charge of our health care!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>QUICK!  Someone put these noble folk in charge of our health care!</p>
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		<title>By: The Late Andy Rooney</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Late Andy Rooney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2012 18:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#8: For folks who don&#039;t already know, Lael Rubin was one of the prosecutors in the infamous McMartin Case.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#8: For folks who don&#8217;t already know, Lael Rubin was one of the prosecutors in the infamous McMartin Case.</p>
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		<title>By: stlgonzo</title>
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		<dc:creator>stlgonzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2012 18:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dave Krueger, I actually did laugh out loud.  Then I cried a little bit.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave Krueger, I actually did laugh out loud.  Then I cried a little bit.</p>
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		<title>By: el coronado</title>
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		<dc:creator>el coronado</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2012 18:12:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Where&#039;s the DOJ in all this? The same DOJ that routinely files suits against states, municipalities, etc., that - in the opinion of the DOJ - violates the civil rights of the poor, downtrodden, yadda yadda yadda. 

Where&#039;s Holder making an outraged speech? Where&#039;s Obama furiously vowing to fight this unAmerican jive? Boxer? DiFi? Pelosi? Brown? Hell, where&#039;s LA&#039;s famously liberal *mayor*?? I thought they cared about the little guy! I mean, that&#039;s what they SAY, right?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where&#8217;s the DOJ in all this? The same DOJ that routinely files suits against states, municipalities, etc., that &#8211; in the opinion of the DOJ &#8211; violates the civil rights of the poor, downtrodden, yadda yadda yadda. </p>
<p>Where&#8217;s Holder making an outraged speech? Where&#8217;s Obama furiously vowing to fight this unAmerican jive? Boxer? DiFi? Pelosi? Brown? Hell, where&#8217;s LA&#8217;s famously liberal *mayor*?? I thought they cared about the little guy! I mean, that&#8217;s what they SAY, right?</p>
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		<title>By: johnl</title>
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		<dc:creator>johnl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2012 17:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lael Rubin was involved in the development of LADA&#039;s Brady Compliance procedures. So you would hardly expect transparency or fairness.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lael Rubin was involved in the development of LADA&#8217;s Brady Compliance procedures. So you would hardly expect transparency or fairness.</p>
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		<title>By: Yizmo Gizmo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yizmo Gizmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2012 17:48:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We know from Carlos Miller et al that when it comes to 
video evidence, the cops&#039; account of what happens rarely
matches what happens, and that cops routinely try to delete
video footage of arrests, detentions, etc...
 Are these the people we are trusting to hand over exculpatory evidence because they are &quot;supposed to&quot;?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We know from Carlos Miller et al that when it comes to<br />
video evidence, the cops&#8217; account of what happens rarely<br />
matches what happens, and that cops routinely try to delete<br />
video footage of arrests, detentions, etc&#8230;<br />
 Are these the people we are trusting to hand over exculpatory evidence because they are &#8220;supposed to&#8221;?</p>
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