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	<title>Comments on: Deserve&#8217;s Got Nothing To Do With It</title>
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		<title>By: Return of the Agitator &#171; The Honest Courtesan</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/07/02/deserves-got-nothing-to-do-with-it/comment-page-1/#comment-3886807</link>
		<dc:creator>Return of the Agitator &#171; The Honest Courtesan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2012 05:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] White was first out of the gate on July 2nd with “Deserve’s Got Nothing To Do With It”, a powerful essay about Rodney King’s death: …portraying Rodney King as a hero, or as a [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] White was first out of the gate on July 2nd with “Deserve’s Got Nothing To Do With It”, a powerful essay about Rodney King’s death: …portraying Rodney King as a hero, or as a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ariel</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/07/02/deserves-got-nothing-to-do-with-it/comment-page-1/#comment-3710154</link>
		<dc:creator>Ariel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2012 23:54:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m late to the party, but I did see the full video sometime before the Simi trial. I was left with about 12 seconds at the end where I knew the cops had crossed to criminality. Those of us who have not made crime a career, we are only law abiding citizens until the moment when we didn&#039;t stop.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m late to the party, but I did see the full video sometime before the Simi trial. I was left with about 12 seconds at the end where I knew the cops had crossed to criminality. Those of us who have not made crime a career, we are only law abiding citizens until the moment when we didn&#8217;t stop.</p>
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		<title>By: That Was the Week That Was (#33) &#171; The Honest Courtesan</title>
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		<dc:creator>That Was the Week That Was (#33) &#171; The Honest Courtesan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2012 10:06:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] For another excellent essay on human rights being independent of “worthiness”, consult Ken White’s “Deserve’s Got Nothing To Do With It”. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] For another excellent essay on human rights being independent of “worthiness”, consult Ken White’s “Deserve’s Got Nothing To Do With It”. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Goober</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/07/02/deserves-got-nothing-to-do-with-it/comment-page-1/#comment-3484678</link>
		<dc:creator>Goober</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2012 15:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rodney King was a heel.  He did bad things, made bad choices, and likely came to an early end as a result o those choices.  I would not have been his friend had we met IRL.

None of the above justifies the beating that those cops gave him.  I&#039;m glad that they did time.  I think that they are lucky that they didn&#039;t get an attempted murder rap, because it easily could have been justified.  

THe one thing that I have the utmost respect for Rodney King for doing is the one thing that people strangely seem to lampoon him for - his being brave and reasonable enough to go on TV and call for an end to the senseless violence being perpetrated in his name.  That took guts and fortitude, and proved to me that he wasn&#039;t totally lost.  

I pray that he can finally find the peace that seemed to elude him in this life, and re-state his poignant, simple words that so many laughed at him for saying:

Can&#039;t we all just get along?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rodney King was a heel.  He did bad things, made bad choices, and likely came to an early end as a result o those choices.  I would not have been his friend had we met IRL.</p>
<p>None of the above justifies the beating that those cops gave him.  I&#8217;m glad that they did time.  I think that they are lucky that they didn&#8217;t get an attempted murder rap, because it easily could have been justified.  </p>
<p>THe one thing that I have the utmost respect for Rodney King for doing is the one thing that people strangely seem to lampoon him for &#8211; his being brave and reasonable enough to go on TV and call for an end to the senseless violence being perpetrated in his name.  That took guts and fortitude, and proved to me that he wasn&#8217;t totally lost.  </p>
<p>I pray that he can finally find the peace that seemed to elude him in this life, and re-state his poignant, simple words that so many laughed at him for saying:</p>
<p>Can&#8217;t we all just get along?</p>
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		<title>By: Windy</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/07/02/deserves-got-nothing-to-do-with-it/comment-page-1/#comment-3482545</link>
		<dc:creator>Windy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2012 05:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one&#039;s time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all.&quot; — HL Mencken]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one&#8217;s time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all.&#8221; — HL Mencken</p>
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		<title>By: Kenneth H</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/07/02/deserves-got-nothing-to-do-with-it/comment-page-1/#comment-3480769</link>
		<dc:creator>Kenneth H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2012 21:13:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Preach it, brother.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Preach it, brother.</p>
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		<title>By: SJE</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/07/02/deserves-got-nothing-to-do-with-it/comment-page-1/#comment-3480532</link>
		<dc:creator>SJE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2012 19:59:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is one of the best written articles I&#039;ve ever read on this subject.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is one of the best written articles I&#8217;ve ever read on this subject.</p>
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		<title>By: marie</title>
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		<dc:creator>marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2012 19:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This morning, I skipped over this post when I saw it was about Rodney King. I&#039;d heard enough rehashing. I am so glad I went back to read it. This is brilliant:

&lt;i&gt;Part of protecting rights is committing to protect them without caring too much whether the rights are held by people who are awful or wonderful. &lt;/i&gt;

At the time, I thought the police were right...because the police are good people. Heroes, even! Since then, I have learned differently (lots of reading and then through personal experience that confirmed everything I&#039;d read) and I am sorry I wasn&#039;t able to see the Rodney King story through clearer eyes back then.

Thanks, Ken.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This morning, I skipped over this post when I saw it was about Rodney King. I&#8217;d heard enough rehashing. I am so glad I went back to read it. This is brilliant:</p>
<p><i>Part of protecting rights is committing to protect them without caring too much whether the rights are held by people who are awful or wonderful. </i></p>
<p>At the time, I thought the police were right&#8230;because the police are good people. Heroes, even! Since then, I have learned differently (lots of reading and then through personal experience that confirmed everything I&#8217;d read) and I am sorry I wasn&#8217;t able to see the Rodney King story through clearer eyes back then.</p>
<p>Thanks, Ken.</p>
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		<title>By: Helmut O' Hooligan</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/07/02/deserves-got-nothing-to-do-with-it/comment-page-1/#comment-3480092</link>
		<dc:creator>Helmut O' Hooligan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2012 18:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;We do so as a measure of grace, and because it’s so foolish and perilous to let the state (or the mob) decide who deserves rights and who doesn’t. Neither the state, nor the mob, will ever conclude that you deserve justice if it sets its eye upon you.&quot;

In this layman&#039;s opinion that would be an excellent closing statement, counselor ; ).  The state must &quot;wither away,&quot; so to speak, for many reasons.  One of the major reasons--and Agitator readers see this every day--is that government has so much control over information and its subsequent portrayal in the media. Thanks to this control and the skilled propagandists of the state, they always win even when they commit horrid atrocities or pathetic blunders.  The internet and other technologies have put a dent in the state&#039;s ability to manage perception, which is why many in government are seeking ways to get their hooks into these new tools.  

Great post Ken, and welcome!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We do so as a measure of grace, and because it’s so foolish and perilous to let the state (or the mob) decide who deserves rights and who doesn’t. Neither the state, nor the mob, will ever conclude that you deserve justice if it sets its eye upon you.&#8221;</p>
<p>In this layman&#8217;s opinion that would be an excellent closing statement, counselor ; ).  The state must &#8220;wither away,&#8221; so to speak, for many reasons.  One of the major reasons&#8211;and Agitator readers see this every day&#8211;is that government has so much control over information and its subsequent portrayal in the media. Thanks to this control and the skilled propagandists of the state, they always win even when they commit horrid atrocities or pathetic blunders.  The internet and other technologies have put a dent in the state&#8217;s ability to manage perception, which is why many in government are seeking ways to get their hooks into these new tools.  </p>
<p>Great post Ken, and welcome!</p>
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		<title>By: Valerie O'Gilain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Valerie O'Gilain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2012 17:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very well thought out defense of rule of law in civil society, Ken.  

It makes me think about the Treyvon Martin case.  At this point much of the public discourse involves ascertaining who is the good guy, rather than whose actions precipitated the tragedy. 

At the end of the day, just as with Rodney King, it should come down to who did what to whom and when.  Rights are not rights when they are applied selectively.  They are perks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very well thought out defense of rule of law in civil society, Ken.  </p>
<p>It makes me think about the Treyvon Martin case.  At this point much of the public discourse involves ascertaining who is the good guy, rather than whose actions precipitated the tragedy. </p>
<p>At the end of the day, just as with Rodney King, it should come down to who did what to whom and when.  Rights are not rights when they are applied selectively.  They are perks.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2012 17:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ Derfel,

I suspect the Derfel Cadarn of the Bernard Cornwell books would have been a bit more logical and better at typing--and for a 5th century warrior and monk, that is saying something. I&#039;m not saying I found the police behavior around the incident anything but savage...But somehow despite my agreement with the outrage of every police brutality that Ken is citing, I am wondering if the solution really lies in writing them off as evil. For all time. As your post seems to suggest. I believe if the Rodney King issues and this article illustrate anything they show that there isn&#039;t an easy verdict to hand down on this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Derfel,</p>
<p>I suspect the Derfel Cadarn of the Bernard Cornwell books would have been a bit more logical and better at typing&#8211;and for a 5th century warrior and monk, that is saying something. I&#8217;m not saying I found the police behavior around the incident anything but savage&#8230;But somehow despite my agreement with the outrage of every police brutality that Ken is citing, I am wondering if the solution really lies in writing them off as evil. For all time. As your post seems to suggest. I believe if the Rodney King issues and this article illustrate anything they show that there isn&#8217;t an easy verdict to hand down on this.</p>
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		<title>By: Kingadingding</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kingadingding</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2012 16:53:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Vincent: Probable cause. Thomas Jefferson put that in the Constitution.
DA Stubbs: He didn&#039;t put it in for you!
Vincent: Yes he did, I&#039;m exactly the guy he put it in for. I am the worst-case scenario of Thomas Jefferson&#039;s dream.

from My Blue Heaven]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vincent: Probable cause. Thomas Jefferson put that in the Constitution.<br />
DA Stubbs: He didn&#8217;t put it in for you!<br />
Vincent: Yes he did, I&#8217;m exactly the guy he put it in for. I am the worst-case scenario of Thomas Jefferson&#8217;s dream.</p>
<p>from My Blue Heaven</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew S.</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/07/02/deserves-got-nothing-to-do-with-it/comment-page-1/#comment-3479782</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2012 16:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What the heck, Ken? This has nothing to do with Bronies! I demand you keep to your promised My Little Pony focus!

Seriously, this might be the best take I&#039;ve read on the Rodney King story. The blog is in good hands it seems.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What the heck, Ken? This has nothing to do with Bronies! I demand you keep to your promised My Little Pony focus!</p>
<p>Seriously, this might be the best take I&#8217;ve read on the Rodney King story. The blog is in good hands it seems.</p>
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		<title>By: PeeDub</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/07/02/deserves-got-nothing-to-do-with-it/comment-page-1/#comment-3479575</link>
		<dc:creator>PeeDub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2012 15:43:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Irving Washington

Stellar handle!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Irving Washington</p>
<p>Stellar handle!</p>
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		<title>By: PeeDub</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/07/02/deserves-got-nothing-to-do-with-it/comment-page-1/#comment-3479564</link>
		<dc:creator>PeeDub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2012 15:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just really, really fantastic.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just really, really fantastic.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthill Inside</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/07/02/deserves-got-nothing-to-do-with-it/comment-page-1/#comment-3479549</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthill Inside</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2012 15:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All very true.  We should care about what happens to any person being arrested, even if they are clearly and unambiguously guilty of some horrible crime.  I see no evidence that the world is a safer place with the deaths of Saddam Hussein, Osama bin Laden or Muammar Gaddafi.  Yes, rendering them powerless made the world a better place, but killing them did not.  If we want due process applied to us, we must see it applied to everyone, including and especially the people we dislike.

(Yes, I am aware that Saddam Hussein and Muammar Gaddafi were not killed by the US.  They are still symptoms of a clear desire for revenge, not any form of justice.)

@C. S. P. Schofield: are you suggesting that a black child in Los Angeles in the 1990s could hope to attend a reasonable school, get a reasonable job, and never be harassed by police without probable cause?  The statistics say otherwise - that at every step of the way people who appear black or Hispanic are victims of both active and unconscious discrimination.

When the man takes every opportunity to stop and search you, and never employs you, you don&#039;t need advice from anyone else to realize that the man is keeping you down.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All very true.  We should care about what happens to any person being arrested, even if they are clearly and unambiguously guilty of some horrible crime.  I see no evidence that the world is a safer place with the deaths of Saddam Hussein, Osama bin Laden or Muammar Gaddafi.  Yes, rendering them powerless made the world a better place, but killing them did not.  If we want due process applied to us, we must see it applied to everyone, including and especially the people we dislike.</p>
<p>(Yes, I am aware that Saddam Hussein and Muammar Gaddafi were not killed by the US.  They are still symptoms of a clear desire for revenge, not any form of justice.)</p>
<p>@C. S. P. Schofield: are you suggesting that a black child in Los Angeles in the 1990s could hope to attend a reasonable school, get a reasonable job, and never be harassed by police without probable cause?  The statistics say otherwise &#8211; that at every step of the way people who appear black or Hispanic are victims of both active and unconscious discrimination.</p>
<p>When the man takes every opportunity to stop and search you, and never employs you, you don&#8217;t need advice from anyone else to realize that the man is keeping you down.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl Weetabix</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl Weetabix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2012 15:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Really well put. We want to make every narrative into a morality play, rather than look at the basic facts. It doesn&#039;t matter if the victim is a good person or a bad person or deserved it or not. It&#039;s not ethical to (or ideally, legal) to use excessive force or force at all when not absolutely necessary, even if the target doesn&#039;t fit our definition of a &quot;good&quot; person.

I know it&#039;s a hard job, but we pay them to put their lives at risk. No one forces them into the job either.

The sad thing is they could get the respect they sadly so often try to force on others. All they would have to do is act like normal human beings and not the jack booted thugs, which in many cases they quite literally have become.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really well put. We want to make every narrative into a morality play, rather than look at the basic facts. It doesn&#8217;t matter if the victim is a good person or a bad person or deserved it or not. It&#8217;s not ethical to (or ideally, legal) to use excessive force or force at all when not absolutely necessary, even if the target doesn&#8217;t fit our definition of a &#8220;good&#8221; person.</p>
<p>I know it&#8217;s a hard job, but we pay them to put their lives at risk. No one forces them into the job either.</p>
<p>The sad thing is they could get the respect they sadly so often try to force on others. All they would have to do is act like normal human beings and not the jack booted thugs, which in many cases they quite literally have become.</p>
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		<title>By: C. S. P. Schofield</title>
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		<dc:creator>C. S. P. Schofield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2012 14:43:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[John Regan,

I will point out again that the whole video, which was NOT generally broadcast until well after the public narrative of &#039;innocent mann beaten by cops&#039; was well established, showed King apparently ignoring taser shots and charging the police. Such behavior didn&#039;t seem to ME to justify the extensive beating he got, but it went a long way to explain it, and a jury - a jury that the prosecution passed on I remind you - found the cops not guilty of the charges against them.

I don&#039;t remember what the charges were. Were they overreach by the prosecution? Did the prosecution simply do a lousy job? Did the jury get mad at the presumption that they would do what everybody expected them to do? I don&#039;t know. I don&#039;t think anybody does, anymore. Not even the jury members, who have probably talked themselves into believing all kinds of things by this time.

The blacks rioted because they were told that THE MAN had gotten away with beating an innocent Black Man, a narrative arguably as dishonest as anything said in after years about King by the Political Right, They rioted because society has allowed their worldview to be controlled by parasites like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, who prime them to riot so that they can threaten people they want something from with those riots.

King was a lout. He got one hell of a lot more sympathy from all concerned than a white man who did what he did would have, beating or no beating. But that isn&#039;t his fault, and I don&#039;t recall that he asked for it. May God receive him into heaven, and a pox on all the swine who used him while he lived.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Regan,</p>
<p>I will point out again that the whole video, which was NOT generally broadcast until well after the public narrative of &#8216;innocent mann beaten by cops&#8217; was well established, showed King apparently ignoring taser shots and charging the police. Such behavior didn&#8217;t seem to ME to justify the extensive beating he got, but it went a long way to explain it, and a jury &#8211; a jury that the prosecution passed on I remind you &#8211; found the cops not guilty of the charges against them.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t remember what the charges were. Were they overreach by the prosecution? Did the prosecution simply do a lousy job? Did the jury get mad at the presumption that they would do what everybody expected them to do? I don&#8217;t know. I don&#8217;t think anybody does, anymore. Not even the jury members, who have probably talked themselves into believing all kinds of things by this time.</p>
<p>The blacks rioted because they were told that THE MAN had gotten away with beating an innocent Black Man, a narrative arguably as dishonest as anything said in after years about King by the Political Right, They rioted because society has allowed their worldview to be controlled by parasites like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, who prime them to riot so that they can threaten people they want something from with those riots.</p>
<p>King was a lout. He got one hell of a lot more sympathy from all concerned than a white man who did what he did would have, beating or no beating. But that isn&#8217;t his fault, and I don&#8217;t recall that he asked for it. May God receive him into heaven, and a pox on all the swine who used him while he lived.</p>
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		<title>By: Sara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2012 14:29:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Derfel carden 

I dont think the police or Rodney King are &quot;bad&quot;.  The are both human.  Humans react instinctively and socially especially in high andrenalin situations.  Fight or flight.  The job of the police, given those two options is fight.  

The problem is that they aren&#039;t taught to manage their instincts, to plan for and manage the high stress and fear and act in a third and more civilized manner.  

Humans take a whole lot of behavioral clues from other humans and if we aren&#039;t careful we will act automatically based on those cues.  If one person acts a certain way, it gives others close to them an unconscious permission to act similarly.  If in high stress a perceived foe resists, it gives unconscious permission to fight.  

We need to stop pretending that people are thinking about the right and wrong thing in these moments.  Most of them aren&#039;t doing much thinking at all.  Training to over come the mindless reactions is possible.  Some police depts are implementing it with some degree of success.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Derfel carden </p>
<p>I dont think the police or Rodney King are &#8220;bad&#8221;.  The are both human.  Humans react instinctively and socially especially in high andrenalin situations.  Fight or flight.  The job of the police, given those two options is fight.  </p>
<p>The problem is that they aren&#8217;t taught to manage their instincts, to plan for and manage the high stress and fear and act in a third and more civilized manner.  </p>
<p>Humans take a whole lot of behavioral clues from other humans and if we aren&#8217;t careful we will act automatically based on those cues.  If one person acts a certain way, it gives others close to them an unconscious permission to act similarly.  If in high stress a perceived foe resists, it gives unconscious permission to fight.  </p>
<p>We need to stop pretending that people are thinking about the right and wrong thing in these moments.  Most of them aren&#8217;t doing much thinking at all.  Training to over come the mindless reactions is possible.  Some police depts are implementing it with some degree of success.</p>
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		<title>By: John Regan</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/07/02/deserves-got-nothing-to-do-with-it/comment-page-1/#comment-3479279</link>
		<dc:creator>John Regan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2012 14:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That commenter you quoted sounds so much like a cop I&#039;d be shocked if he/she wasn&#039;t one.

It&#039;s all about the narrative, isn&#039;t it?  Note how the cops&#039; focus is relentlessly shifted back to Rodney King&#039;s crimes.  When the accused criminal focuses on the crimes of others, he is &quot;blaming others&quot; and &quot;not taking responsibility&quot;; when the cops do the same thing, no one sees it that way.  

Almost no one, anyway.

Does race influence all this?  Yes and no.  Your race, if you&#039;re black, makes you much more likely to wind up on the wrong end of the system narrative, from which there is usually no escape.  But on the other hand, at least from what I have experienced, anyone who has wound up on the wrong side of the narrative is treated the same no matter what their race is.  So if you&#039;re white you&#039;re much less likely to wind up there, but if you do it&#039;s the same for you as it is for anyone else in the same boat.

The cops like to write the narrative, and once they do they shout down all competing or conflicting narratives.  They do this even when reason and evidence proves their narrative is completely wrong, and often prevail purely because they regard themselves as the system&#039;s owners, and few will challenge them.

This is why the Rodney King fiasco prompted a riot.  When you catch the police dead to rights, on tape, and it makes no difference people get upset with the system.  As well they should.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That commenter you quoted sounds so much like a cop I&#8217;d be shocked if he/she wasn&#8217;t one.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s all about the narrative, isn&#8217;t it?  Note how the cops&#8217; focus is relentlessly shifted back to Rodney King&#8217;s crimes.  When the accused criminal focuses on the crimes of others, he is &#8220;blaming others&#8221; and &#8220;not taking responsibility&#8221;; when the cops do the same thing, no one sees it that way.  </p>
<p>Almost no one, anyway.</p>
<p>Does race influence all this?  Yes and no.  Your race, if you&#8217;re black, makes you much more likely to wind up on the wrong end of the system narrative, from which there is usually no escape.  But on the other hand, at least from what I have experienced, anyone who has wound up on the wrong side of the narrative is treated the same no matter what their race is.  So if you&#8217;re white you&#8217;re much less likely to wind up there, but if you do it&#8217;s the same for you as it is for anyone else in the same boat.</p>
<p>The cops like to write the narrative, and once they do they shout down all competing or conflicting narratives.  They do this even when reason and evidence proves their narrative is completely wrong, and often prevail purely because they regard themselves as the system&#8217;s owners, and few will challenge them.</p>
<p>This is why the Rodney King fiasco prompted a riot.  When you catch the police dead to rights, on tape, and it makes no difference people get upset with the system.  As well they should.</p>
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