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		<title>By: Leon Wolfeson</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/06/28/late-afternoon-links-9/comment-page-1/#comment-3467437</link>
		<dc:creator>Leon Wolfeson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2012 21:52:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@25 - Territorial violence. As always. Land and water rights. So sorry you view the symbols of ceasing this as negative. (Ironically, this is very much an accomplishment of Tony Blair, but Iraq rather than NI is what he&#039;ll be remembered for...)

@27 - Most parliamentary democracies have a requirement that the content of the bill stay within it&#039;s &quot;long title&quot; (full title). Sadly, America doesn&#039;t.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@25 &#8211; Territorial violence. As always. Land and water rights. So sorry you view the symbols of ceasing this as negative. (Ironically, this is very much an accomplishment of Tony Blair, but Iraq rather than NI is what he&#8217;ll be remembered for&#8230;)</p>
<p>@27 &#8211; Most parliamentary democracies have a requirement that the content of the bill stay within it&#8217;s &#8220;long title&#8221; (full title). Sadly, America doesn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Bobby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bobby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2012 15:18:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oops, forgot to include the link to Maddow&#039;s post:

http://maddowblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/28/12459913-how-far-the-four-dissenters-were-willing-to-go?lite]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, forgot to include the link to Maddow&#8217;s post:</p>
<p><a href="http://maddowblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/28/12459913-how-far-the-four-dissenters-were-willing-to-go?lite" rel="nofollow">http://maddowblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/28/12459913-how-far-the-four-dissenters-were-willing-to-go?lite</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bobby</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/06/28/late-afternoon-links-9/comment-page-1/#comment-3466164</link>
		<dc:creator>Bobby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2012 15:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rachel Maddow had a pretty interesting take on the decision:

&lt;blockquote&gt;
The conventional wisdom, which was neither conventional nor wise, was that the individual mandate was in deep trouble, but it was unrealistic to think the justices would be so radical as to kill every letter of every word of every page of the law. Such a breathtaking move would simply be unnecessarily radical.

And yet, as of this morning, four justices -- Alito, Kennedy, Scalia, and Thomas -- insisted on doing exactly that. The four dissenters demanded that the Supreme Court effectively throw out the entirety of the law -- the mandate, the consumer protections, the tax cuts, the subsidies, the benefits, everything.

To reach this conclusion, these four not only had to reject a century of Commerce Clause jurisprudence, they also had ignore the Necessary and Proper clause, and Congress&#039; taxation power. I can&#039;t read Chief Justice John Roberts&#039; mind, but it wouldn&#039;t surprise me if the extremism of the four dissenters effectively forced him to break ranks -- had Kennedy been willing to strike down the mandate while leaving the rest of the law intact, this may well have been a 5-4 ruling the other way.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It&#039;s also worth pointing out that, in his decision, Roberts established the controlling precedent that the Commerce Clause &lt;b&gt;can not&lt;/b&gt; be applied to things people &lt;b&gt;are not&lt;/b&gt; doing. To do this, he joined in the opinion of the 4 &lt;i&gt;dissenting&lt;/i&gt; judges. That was a pretty ninja maneuver. 

Another interesting point: The Supreme Court effectively ended the debate over whether or not this was a tax-hike, by affirming it is, because that&#039;s the only way this could be construed as constitutional. This could, in its own way, but Obama on the defensive. Check this out:

&lt;blockquote&gt;
Sep 20, 2009
Obama: Mandate is Not a Tax
ABC News Interview

GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS, ABC NEWS HOST: ...during the campaign. Under this mandate, the government is forcing people to spend money, fining you if you don’t. How is that not a tax?

BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Well, hold on a second, George. Here - here&#039;s what&#039;s happening. You and I are both paying $900, on average - our families - in higher premiums because of uncompensated care. Now what I&#039;ve said is that if you can&#039;t afford health insurance, you certainly shouldn&#039;t be punished for that. That&#039;s just piling on. If, on the other hand, we&#039;re giving tax credits, we&#039;ve set up an exchange, you are now part of a big pool, we&#039;ve driven down the costs, we&#039;ve done everything we can and you actually can afford health insurance, but you&#039;ve just decided, you know what, I want to take my chances. And then you get hit by a bus and you and I have to pay for the emergency room care, that&#039;sâ€¦

STEPHANOPOULOS: That may be, but it&#039;s still a tax increase.

OBAMA: No. That&#039;s not true, George. The - for us to say that you&#039;ve got to take a responsibility to get health insurance is absolutely not a tax increase. What it&#039;s saying is, is that we&#039;re not going to have other people carrying your burdens for you anymore than the fact that right now everybody in America, just about, has to get auto insurance. Nobody considers that a tax increase. People say to themselves, that is a fair way to make sure that if you hit my car, that I&#039;m not covering all the costs.

STEPHANOPOULOS: But it may be fair, it may be good public policy.

OBAMA: No, but - but, George, you - you can&#039;t just make up that language and decide that that&#039;s called a tax increase. 

STEPHANOPOULOS: Here’s the ...


OBAMA: What - what - if I - if I say that right now your premiums are going to be going up by 5 or 8 or 10 percent next year and you say well, that&#039;s not a tax increase; but, on the other hand, if I say that I don&#039;t want to have to pay for you not carrying coverage even after I give you tax credits that make it affordable, then ...

STEPHANOPOULOS: I - I don&#039;t think I&#039;m making it up. Merriam Webster&#039;s Dictionary: Tax - &quot;a charge, usually of money, imposed by authority on persons or property for public purposes.&quot;

OBAMA: George, the fact that you looked up Merriam&#039;s Dictionary, the definition of tax increase, indicates to me that you&#039;re stretching a little bit right now. Otherwise, you wouldn&#039;t have gone to the dictionary to check on the definition. I mean what...

STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, no, but...

OBAMA: ...what you&#039;re saying is ...

STEPHANOPOULOS: I wanted to check for myself. But your critics say it is a tax increase.

OBAMA: My critics say everything is a tax increase. My critics say that I&#039;m taking over every sector of the economy. You know that. Look, we can have a legitimate debate about whether or not we&#039;re going to have an individual mandate or not, butâ€¦

STEPHANOPOULOS: But you reject that it’s a tax increase?

OBAMA: I absolutely reject that notion.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rachel Maddow had a pretty interesting take on the decision:</p>
<blockquote><p>
The conventional wisdom, which was neither conventional nor wise, was that the individual mandate was in deep trouble, but it was unrealistic to think the justices would be so radical as to kill every letter of every word of every page of the law. Such a breathtaking move would simply be unnecessarily radical.</p>
<p>And yet, as of this morning, four justices &#8212; Alito, Kennedy, Scalia, and Thomas &#8212; insisted on doing exactly that. The four dissenters demanded that the Supreme Court effectively throw out the entirety of the law &#8212; the mandate, the consumer protections, the tax cuts, the subsidies, the benefits, everything.</p>
<p>To reach this conclusion, these four not only had to reject a century of Commerce Clause jurisprudence, they also had ignore the Necessary and Proper clause, and Congress&#8217; taxation power. I can&#8217;t read Chief Justice John Roberts&#8217; mind, but it wouldn&#8217;t surprise me if the extremism of the four dissenters effectively forced him to break ranks &#8212; had Kennedy been willing to strike down the mandate while leaving the rest of the law intact, this may well have been a 5-4 ruling the other way.
</p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s also worth pointing out that, in his decision, Roberts established the controlling precedent that the Commerce Clause <b>can not</b> be applied to things people <b>are not</b> doing. To do this, he joined in the opinion of the 4 <i>dissenting</i> judges. That was a pretty ninja maneuver. </p>
<p>Another interesting point: The Supreme Court effectively ended the debate over whether or not this was a tax-hike, by affirming it is, because that&#8217;s the only way this could be construed as constitutional. This could, in its own way, but Obama on the defensive. Check this out:</p>
<blockquote><p>
Sep 20, 2009<br />
Obama: Mandate is Not a Tax<br />
ABC News Interview</p>
<p>GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS, ABC NEWS HOST: &#8230;during the campaign. Under this mandate, the government is forcing people to spend money, fining you if you don’t. How is that not a tax?</p>
<p>BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Well, hold on a second, George. Here &#8211; here&#8217;s what&#8217;s happening. You and I are both paying $900, on average &#8211; our families &#8211; in higher premiums because of uncompensated care. Now what I&#8217;ve said is that if you can&#8217;t afford health insurance, you certainly shouldn&#8217;t be punished for that. That&#8217;s just piling on. If, on the other hand, we&#8217;re giving tax credits, we&#8217;ve set up an exchange, you are now part of a big pool, we&#8217;ve driven down the costs, we&#8217;ve done everything we can and you actually can afford health insurance, but you&#8217;ve just decided, you know what, I want to take my chances. And then you get hit by a bus and you and I have to pay for the emergency room care, that&#8217;sâ€¦</p>
<p>STEPHANOPOULOS: That may be, but it&#8217;s still a tax increase.</p>
<p>OBAMA: No. That&#8217;s not true, George. The &#8211; for us to say that you&#8217;ve got to take a responsibility to get health insurance is absolutely not a tax increase. What it&#8217;s saying is, is that we&#8217;re not going to have other people carrying your burdens for you anymore than the fact that right now everybody in America, just about, has to get auto insurance. Nobody considers that a tax increase. People say to themselves, that is a fair way to make sure that if you hit my car, that I&#8217;m not covering all the costs.</p>
<p>STEPHANOPOULOS: But it may be fair, it may be good public policy.</p>
<p>OBAMA: No, but &#8211; but, George, you &#8211; you can&#8217;t just make up that language and decide that that&#8217;s called a tax increase. </p>
<p>STEPHANOPOULOS: Here’s the &#8230;</p>
<p>OBAMA: What &#8211; what &#8211; if I &#8211; if I say that right now your premiums are going to be going up by 5 or 8 or 10 percent next year and you say well, that&#8217;s not a tax increase; but, on the other hand, if I say that I don&#8217;t want to have to pay for you not carrying coverage even after I give you tax credits that make it affordable, then &#8230;</p>
<p>STEPHANOPOULOS: I &#8211; I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;m making it up. Merriam Webster&#8217;s Dictionary: Tax &#8211; &#8220;a charge, usually of money, imposed by authority on persons or property for public purposes.&#8221;</p>
<p>OBAMA: George, the fact that you looked up Merriam&#8217;s Dictionary, the definition of tax increase, indicates to me that you&#8217;re stretching a little bit right now. Otherwise, you wouldn&#8217;t have gone to the dictionary to check on the definition. I mean what&#8230;</p>
<p>STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, no, but&#8230;</p>
<p>OBAMA: &#8230;what you&#8217;re saying is &#8230;</p>
<p>STEPHANOPOULOS: I wanted to check for myself. But your critics say it is a tax increase.</p>
<p>OBAMA: My critics say everything is a tax increase. My critics say that I&#8217;m taking over every sector of the economy. You know that. Look, we can have a legitimate debate about whether or not we&#8217;re going to have an individual mandate or not, butâ€¦</p>
<p>STEPHANOPOULOS: But you reject that it’s a tax increase?</p>
<p>OBAMA: I absolutely reject that notion.
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		<title>By: Planet Valenti Muzzled: Another Restraining Order Against A Blogger &#124; Popehat</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/06/28/late-afternoon-links-9/comment-page-1/#comment-3466039</link>
		<dc:creator>Planet Valenti Muzzled: Another Restraining Order Against A Blogger &#124; Popehat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2012 14:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Fascist Nation</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/06/28/late-afternoon-links-9/comment-page-1/#comment-3465772</link>
		<dc:creator>Fascist Nation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2012 12:29:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[George Bush--the original asshole, not junior--got tossed because of new taxes.  I think the Supremes, despite their evil intent, may have handed tightly contested races to the GOP---not that the GOP wouldn&#039;t be touting the healthcare plan if Bush had proposed it.  Not one member of the GOP voted for Obama&#039;s HC plan and I think the new tax angle (a massive overt and personal one at that) WILL sell at the polls.

Thanks for pointing out that they rejected the Commerce clause thing.  I had not read that anywhere else.  That surprises me---I thought that and the general welfare clause justified everything in the eyes of our impartial protectors.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George Bush&#8211;the original asshole, not junior&#8211;got tossed because of new taxes.  I think the Supremes, despite their evil intent, may have handed tightly contested races to the GOP&#8212;not that the GOP wouldn&#8217;t be touting the healthcare plan if Bush had proposed it.  Not one member of the GOP voted for Obama&#8217;s HC plan and I think the new tax angle (a massive overt and personal one at that) WILL sell at the polls.</p>
<p>Thanks for pointing out that they rejected the Commerce clause thing.  I had not read that anywhere else.  That surprises me&#8212;I thought that and the general welfare clause justified everything in the eyes of our impartial protectors.</p>
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		<title>By: Burgers Allday</title>
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		<dc:creator>Burgers Allday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2012 09:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[More on the Johnstown police shooting story:

http://tribune-democrat.com/local/x1483811911/-Is-that-a-crime-Witness-says-man-shot-by-police-was-rushing-cousin-to-hospital

On a related note, there was a nice district of PA court case this week about whether police can shoot at moving cars.  Don&#039;t have time to blog it this morning -- paying work beckons -- but hopefully this weekend.  In the new court case the court makes the excellent point that shooting at a moving car increases, rather than decreases, the risk that an innocent person will be hurt by the moving car.  Shooting the driver does not generally stop the car.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More on the Johnstown police shooting story:</p>
<p><a href="http://tribune-democrat.com/local/x1483811911/-Is-that-a-crime-Witness-says-man-shot-by-police-was-rushing-cousin-to-hospital" rel="nofollow">http://tribune-democrat.com/local/x1483811911/-Is-that-a-crime-Witness-says-man-shot-by-police-was-rushing-cousin-to-hospital</a></p>
<p>On a related note, there was a nice district of PA court case this week about whether police can shoot at moving cars.  Don&#8217;t have time to blog it this morning &#8212; paying work beckons &#8212; but hopefully this weekend.  In the new court case the court makes the excellent point that shooting at a moving car increases, rather than decreases, the risk that an innocent person will be hurt by the moving car.  Shooting the driver does not generally stop the car.</p>
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		<title>By: Protective Order Muzzles Blogger &#124; FavStocks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Protective Order Muzzles Blogger &#124; FavStocks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2012 08:12:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] interested in the muzzling of a blogger by a judge who cares little about the First Amendment. I saw the story on Radley Balko&#8217;s site, noticed that the judge had actually ordered the blogger to take down his posts (!), and had just [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] interested in the muzzling of a blogger by a judge who cares little about the First Amendment. I saw the story on Radley Balko&#8217;s site, noticed that the judge had actually ordered the blogger to take down his posts (!), and had just [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/06/28/late-afternoon-links-9/comment-page-1/#comment-3464738</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2012 07:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[thefn: Just because these procedural tricks have been around for a while doesn&#039;t change the fact that they are blatantly used to do an end-run around the constitution. All that tells me is that it is yet another example of how SCOTUS has almost completely failed in its duty to check the legislative branch for the last 80 or so years.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thefn: Just because these procedural tricks have been around for a while doesn&#8217;t change the fact that they are blatantly used to do an end-run around the constitution. All that tells me is that it is yet another example of how SCOTUS has almost completely failed in its duty to check the legislative branch for the last 80 or so years.</p>
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		<title>By: thefncrow</title>
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		<dc:creator>thefncrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2012 05:52:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;It was a blatant end-run around that constitutional requirement, right along with the “deem and pass” bullshit that Pelosi pulled.&quot;

It&#039;s absolutely nothing new.  It&#039;s been a standard part of the Senate&#039;s operations for quite some time.  The House creates a revenue of some bill that they send to the Senate.  The Senate takes the revenue bill created in the House and guts it and passes a substitute amended version that contains whatever items require origination in a revenue bill.  It&#039;s known as concurring by amendment.  It&#039;s just that it only ever seems to be controversial when someone is desperately fishing for some sort of procedural flaw in a bill they hate when they can&#039;t find any better angles.

And by the way, deem and pass was a fairly standard procedure in the House well before anyone spoke of using it in the health care debate, not that it was even used.  The first record of it&#039;s use was in 1933, a tool that was used something like 35 times by the GOP majority in the 109th House, and something that had been used in the passage of major legislation.  It&#039;s not anything new and it wasn&#039;t all that controversial until the GOP flipped their lid in the PPACA debate because it might make it a bit easier to pass a bill the GOP didn&#039;t like.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It was a blatant end-run around that constitutional requirement, right along with the “deem and pass” bullshit that Pelosi pulled.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s absolutely nothing new.  It&#8217;s been a standard part of the Senate&#8217;s operations for quite some time.  The House creates a revenue of some bill that they send to the Senate.  The Senate takes the revenue bill created in the House and guts it and passes a substitute amended version that contains whatever items require origination in a revenue bill.  It&#8217;s known as concurring by amendment.  It&#8217;s just that it only ever seems to be controversial when someone is desperately fishing for some sort of procedural flaw in a bill they hate when they can&#8217;t find any better angles.</p>
<p>And by the way, deem and pass was a fairly standard procedure in the House well before anyone spoke of using it in the health care debate, not that it was even used.  The first record of it&#8217;s use was in 1933, a tool that was used something like 35 times by the GOP majority in the 109th House, and something that had been used in the passage of major legislation.  It&#8217;s not anything new and it wasn&#8217;t all that controversial until the GOP flipped their lid in the PPACA debate because it might make it a bit easier to pass a bill the GOP didn&#8217;t like.</p>
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		<title>By: Narad</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/06/28/late-afternoon-links-9/comment-page-1/#comment-3463673</link>
		<dc:creator>Narad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2012 01:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;So, I wonder, how/why do Florida news outlets keep taking these insane stories straight from the police, verbatim, without proper scrutiny?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Meh. The suggestion &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thepoisonreview.com/2012/02/11/death-from-mdpv-associated-excited-delirium/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;wasn&#039;t exactly implausible&lt;/a&gt;, and what would &quot;proper scrutiny&quot; be? Wait for the toxicology? Well, sure. In the meantime, somebody would have arrived at the speculation regardless.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>So, I wonder, how/why do Florida news outlets keep taking these insane stories straight from the police, verbatim, without proper scrutiny?</p></blockquote>
<p>Meh. The suggestion <a href="http://www.thepoisonreview.com/2012/02/11/death-from-mdpv-associated-excited-delirium/" rel="nofollow">wasn&#8217;t exactly implausible</a>, and what would &#8220;proper scrutiny&#8221; be? Wait for the toxicology? Well, sure. In the meantime, somebody would have arrived at the speculation regardless.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/06/28/late-afternoon-links-9/comment-page-1/#comment-3463628</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2012 01:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Shit. I should have read the rest of your post. Ignore everything before the last sentence of the first paragraph.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shit. I should have read the rest of your post. Ignore everything before the last sentence of the first paragraph.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/06/28/late-afternoon-links-9/comment-page-1/#comment-3463625</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2012 01:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Second, the bill number for PPACA in the Senate was HR 3590. If you’re not aware, HR means “House Resolution”.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

HR 3590 originally had nothing to do with healthcare. What happened was that the senate took the title of the old bill, stripped out its contents and then inserted the PPACA language in order to get around that inconvenient little restriction. It was a blatant end-run around that constitutional requirement, right along with the &quot;deem and pass&quot; bullshit that Pelosi pulled.

Unfortunately, I doubt the Supreme Court has the cajones necessary to call the Senate on its shenanigans, especially after today, so I doubt a new challenge on that basis would succeed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Second, the bill number for PPACA in the Senate was HR 3590. If you’re not aware, HR means “House Resolution”.</p></blockquote>
<p>HR 3590 originally had nothing to do with healthcare. What happened was that the senate took the title of the old bill, stripped out its contents and then inserted the PPACA language in order to get around that inconvenient little restriction. It was a blatant end-run around that constitutional requirement, right along with the &#8220;deem and pass&#8221; bullshit that Pelosi pulled.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, I doubt the Supreme Court has the cajones necessary to call the Senate on its shenanigans, especially after today, so I doubt a new challenge on that basis would succeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Bocco</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/06/28/late-afternoon-links-9/comment-page-1/#comment-3463562</link>
		<dc:creator>Bocco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2012 01:17:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tampa Fox 13 reported that it was the marijuana that caused the guy to go all wacky, not bath salts. Maybe he was smoking bath bud.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tampa Fox 13 reported that it was the marijuana that caused the guy to go all wacky, not bath salts. Maybe he was smoking bath bud.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Z.</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/06/28/late-afternoon-links-9/comment-page-1/#comment-3463495</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Z.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2012 01:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Bottom falls out of latest media effort to whip up a moral panic: The Miami face biter was not high on “bath salts.”&lt;/i&gt;

&quot;Also, police report that what he ate was not the victim&#039;s face, but a chicken sandwich the victim had purchased at McDonald&#039;s. We apologize for the confusion.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Bottom falls out of latest media effort to whip up a moral panic: The Miami face biter was not high on “bath salts.”</i></p>
<p>&#8220;Also, police report that what he ate was not the victim&#8217;s face, but a chicken sandwich the victim had purchased at McDonald&#8217;s. We apologize for the confusion.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: EH</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/06/28/late-afternoon-links-9/comment-page-1/#comment-3462818</link>
		<dc:creator>EH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2012 00:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Deoxy: Funnily enough, Volokh has posted a thread exactly about &quot;b-b-b-but they &lt;i&gt;said&lt;/i&gt;...&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deoxy: Funnily enough, Volokh has posted a thread exactly about &#8220;b-b-b-but they <i>said</i>&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: thefncrow</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/06/28/late-afternoon-links-9/comment-page-1/#comment-3462744</link>
		<dc:creator>thefncrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2012 00:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;What I find horribly amusing is that in making it Constitutional by declaring the mandate a tax, Roberts and the liberals also made it unConstitutional since taxes must originate from Congress and the mandate originated in the Senate.&quot;

First, you mean originate from the House, not the Congress (which is the term for the combination of the House and Senate).

Second, the bill number for PPACA in the Senate was HR 3590.  If you&#039;re not aware, HR means &quot;House Resolution&quot;.

The Senate knew revenue-raisers in the bill could bring about that issue, and so as a result they used a hollowed out House resolution as the shell for the bill.  Thus, PPACA &quot;originated in the House&quot; for purposes of that requirement, even though the Senate was the first chamber to pass PPACA.

The fact that it was upheld as a tax hasn&#039;t created any new vulnerabilities for the law, and particularly not one with something as simple as the revenue bill requirement.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What I find horribly amusing is that in making it Constitutional by declaring the mandate a tax, Roberts and the liberals also made it unConstitutional since taxes must originate from Congress and the mandate originated in the Senate.&#8221;</p>
<p>First, you mean originate from the House, not the Congress (which is the term for the combination of the House and Senate).</p>
<p>Second, the bill number for PPACA in the Senate was HR 3590.  If you&#8217;re not aware, HR means &#8220;House Resolution&#8221;.</p>
<p>The Senate knew revenue-raisers in the bill could bring about that issue, and so as a result they used a hollowed out House resolution as the shell for the bill.  Thus, PPACA &#8220;originated in the House&#8221; for purposes of that requirement, even though the Senate was the first chamber to pass PPACA.</p>
<p>The fact that it was upheld as a tax hasn&#8217;t created any new vulnerabilities for the law, and particularly not one with something as simple as the revenue bill requirement.</p>
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		<title>By: (B)oscoH, Yogurt Eater</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/06/28/late-afternoon-links-9/comment-page-1/#comment-3462640</link>
		<dc:creator>(B)oscoH, Yogurt Eater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2012 23:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[On Martin McGuinness... Typical f&#039;ing useless Republican. The city of Belfast wants to put down a dog named Lennox because he looks like a &quot;pit bull&quot;, and this clown is shaking hands with the Queen.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On Martin McGuinness&#8230; Typical f&#8217;ing useless Republican. The city of Belfast wants to put down a dog named Lennox because he looks like a &#8220;pit bull&#8221;, and this clown is shaking hands with the Queen.</p>
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		<title>By: Elliot</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/06/28/late-afternoon-links-9/comment-page-1/#comment-3462633</link>
		<dc:creator>Elliot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2012 23:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I suppose when the Queen and IRA commander shook hands, it&#039;s a signal that the worst of the senseless (religious-based) violence is in the past.

But I would find it more heartening if royalty held no political power and terrorist groups who align with communists and Islamic terrorists have none either.

When an individual commits murder or mayhem, he is generally put in prison or killed.  When a government or rebellion do this and the fighting stops, people much worse than the murderers in prison take pictures for the cameras and then continue to hold political sway.

So, I guess I&#039;d say I find the picture disheartening.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose when the Queen and IRA commander shook hands, it&#8217;s a signal that the worst of the senseless (religious-based) violence is in the past.</p>
<p>But I would find it more heartening if royalty held no political power and terrorist groups who align with communists and Islamic terrorists have none either.</p>
<p>When an individual commits murder or mayhem, he is generally put in prison or killed.  When a government or rebellion do this and the fighting stops, people much worse than the murderers in prison take pictures for the cameras and then continue to hold political sway.</p>
<p>So, I guess I&#8217;d say I find the picture disheartening.</p>
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		<title>By: DoubleU</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/06/28/late-afternoon-links-9/comment-page-1/#comment-3462547</link>
		<dc:creator>DoubleU</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2012 23:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[re: bath salts
Still our local paper will have a &quot;possible bath salts&quot; story every day.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: bath salts<br />
Still our local paper will have a &#8220;possible bath salts&#8221; story every day.</p>
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		<title>By: nigmalg</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/06/28/late-afternoon-links-9/comment-page-1/#comment-3462529</link>
		<dc:creator>nigmalg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2012 23:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Volokh.com blogger(s) and some other analysts are finding signs that Roberts changed his vote late in the timeline. That is very interesting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Volokh.com blogger(s) and some other analysts are finding signs that Roberts changed his vote late in the timeline. That is very interesting.</p>
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