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Wednesday, June 27th, 2012
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  1. #1 |  RBS | 

    Hahaha, LZ embarrasses himself pretty much every time he writes an article but this is much worse than his usual cries of racism whenever he disagrees with something. So bad, I stopped reading after he said we don’t need to know anything about fast and furious because it has been going on so long. In short, he is a coward and an intellectually lazy writer.

  2. #2 |  Jozef | 

    Indiana police send a SWAT team to arrest a forum troll. Hit the wrong house.

  3. #3 |  Yizmo Gizmo | 

    “Chicago vote may decriminalize marijuana.”

    I’ll believe it when I see it. At a Chicago conference last year
    we couldn’t even find a strip joint where the girls weren’t required to wear bikinis. You have to flock up to Canada these days to see a nipple.

    ———
    TSA antics as offensive as ever, but the reader comments
    are fun to read…rarely do you see 100% solidarity against someone
    in this point-counterpoint culture.

  4. #4 |  Mario | 

    After the meeting, her [the DOJ attorney] demeanor softened and she told the reporter she didn’t want to be rude…

    “You don’t want to get on the Department of Justice’s bad side” is what she said? That’s worse than rude.

  5. #5 |  kant | 

    RE: guy charged with assault for breaking cop’s fist with his face.

    I can’t help but think of the dialogue from lucky number slevin

    And what happened to your nose?

    I was using it to break some guy’s fist.

    But on to more serious discussion. Three things appall me by this incident (or at least the short snippet that was available without subscribing).

    1 that cops still have credibility with some people.
    2 that cops still have credibility with the courts
    3 that the courts still accept ridiculous and ridiculous tack-on charges in spite of incidents like these.

    yes in a perfect world the cops should be punished (ideally criminally) for adding on charges for shits and giggles (charged for abuse of power). But at the very least the courts have to stand up and say these vague charges are no longer valid…which of course requires the courts to anything but rubberstamp LE which happen about as soon as pigs fly (pun retroactively intended)….actually I take that last bit back. with LE getting drones pigs are already flying….

    ——

    also radley, the puppycide link is broken

  6. #6 |  Aaron W | 

    I find myself hoping against hope that Granderson’s column is satire delivered so sincerely that I’m missing the wink wink nudge nudge.

    I don’t think that’s the case, though.

  7. #7 |  JimBob | 

    Jenny McCarthy is the embodiment of evil. Too bad– I suppose her knockers were worth a look-see back in the day.

    McCarthy is a rabid anti-vaccination advocate, and she claims that vaccines cause autism and therefore do way more harm than good. What an absolute load of crap. Even if we take the claims of the anti-vax crowd at face value– that vaccines cause autism in 1 out 110 kids (which is an utter lie; Andy Wakefield’s fraud is unbelievably well-documented)– you have to look at what the vaccines prevent.

    Chickenpox kills approximately 1 out of every 60000 kids it infects. Measles kills 1 out of 500. Mumps kills 1 out of 100. Rubella kills 1 out of 300. Pertussis kills 1 out of 500. Those are CDC figures for the United States, by the way– mortality rates for these diseases are WAY higher in developing countries. That means that, taken together, these diseases can kill about 1 out of every 60 kids.

    So rather than have a kid face a 1 in 60 chance of dying from one of these diseases, she would rather avoid the (fanciful, imagined, non-existent) 1 in 110 chance of “giving” a child autism through a vaccine.

    Jenny McCarthy’s basic philosophy, apparently, is “better dead than autistic”. Isn’t she just the loving mommy?

  8. #8 |  Dustin | 

    The puppycide link seems to be broken.

  9. #9 |  EBL | 

    Never consent to a search…

  10. #10 |  Eric Hanneken | 

    I think the puppycide link was supposed to be this.

  11. #11 |  Jim | 

    JimBob, way to spout the FDA/CDC/BigPharma line.

  12. #12 |  MH | 

    Jenny McCarthy. *Now* I’m embarrassed about that poster I had in my bedroom.

  13. #13 |  JimBob | 

    Jim,

    Look, there are legitimate issues to raise regarding vaccine policy– some hospitals play loose with issues of consent (my niece received vaccinations before the doctors even informed my sister), there ARE kids and adults who have legitimate reasons to avoid vaccinations (I know a few people with compromised immune systems), and I’m not a fan of government involvement in most areas, including vaccination.

    But if you’re a parent, the numbers and the facts still clearly favor vaccination. Don’t just rely on the mortality statistics. Hell, death is only ONE thing that can come out of these diseases– you can also have long-term hospitalization, brain damage, permanent disabilities, etc. And those occur in an *even higher* percentage of kids than those who die. Meanwhile, vaccinations have adverse reaction rates on the order of 1 in 1 million. That means we’re talking about risks on the order of 1 in 60 versus risks on the order of 1 in 1000000.

    So not only is your kid less likely to die, but he or she is less likely to wind up brain-damaged, stuck in the hospital, or permanently disabled. Seems like pretty easy decision to me.

    You can also look at epidemiological models: even simple systems like the SIR model show HUGE benefits to vaccinating kids. Once vaccinations reach a certain level, huge outbreaks like we’ve seen with pertussis and measles in the last few years become WAY less likely, because the recovery rate outstrips the transmission rate. If I had a kid who couldn’t be vaccinated against these diseases due to a medical condition, I wouldn’t want to send him/her to school unless I knew that the vaccination rate was high enough to reasonably keep the risk of outbreaks in check.

  14. #14 |  Brian | 

    I don’t think Jenny McCarthy is evil. I think she’s just selfish and stupid.

  15. #15 |  Hamilton | 

    Um… Does anyone else see the irony in the Jenny McCarthy post?

  16. #16 |  Deoxy | 

    Jim,

    Seriously, go somewhere where they don’t have vaccinations and check how many children make it to adulthood.

    Explain to them all the terrible, terrible risks for these vaccines. Then watch as they line up every dang person in a 500 mile radius to get those vaccines. Heck, they’d probably ask to be double-dosed.

    The people who freak out about the dangers of vaccines, even if the claims are completely TRUE, are naive, sheltered IDIOTS who have the deaths of innocent children on their hands.

  17. #17 |  Len | 

    This from the puppycide article…

    Call Gates, N.Y. Police Chief David R.DiCaro and Gates Town Supervisor Mark Assini and let them know how you feel about this injustice!

    No, get your neighbors, friends, relatives and others, march on the police department and/or city hall and say enough is enough. Otherwise, it’s going to be the same old sweep it under the rug crap. It doesn’t have to get violent, but the thugs and tyrants who use the system unjustly need to be put on notice, otherwise they’ll rest comfortably knowing they can’t be touched.

  18. #18 |  Mike T | 

    #13

    The people who freak out about the dangers of vaccines, even if the claims are completely TRUE, are naive, sheltered IDIOTS who have the deaths of innocent children on their hands.

    That also means people like you bear personal responsibility for the autism spectrum disorders that arose from that policy. You can be as much of a self-righteous, technocratic, statist asshole as you want in favor of vaccines. However, that does not absolve you under your logic.

    Given that Merck now has whistleblowers bringing out evidence that the Mumps vaccine is a highly fraudulent product, you might want to tone down your rhetoric. Merck is also the same company that released Vioxx with the full knowledge that it posed severe cardiac risks to its target audience. You’re not standing in good company here. You’re standing with a company that makes the military industrial complex look like angels.

  19. #19 |  Mike T | 

    Most of the evidence I’ve seen suggests that it is the vaccine schedule, not the vaccines, that is to blame. Most of the deaths and other complications from vaccines occur in an early age range when the infant is probably not old enough to handle a cocktail of vaccines.

    But oh no, we cannot do vaccines like the rest of the world. It would be child abuse to follow the same vaccine policies as plague-infest ratholes like Western Europe with their later vaccine schedules.

  20. #20 |  albatross | 

    Mike T:

    I think the vaccine developers are totally okay with the moral responsibility of the number of autism cases they have caused (the best estimate of that number is probably zero, as far as I can tell). There are safety issues with some vaccines (you wouldn’t want to get the smallpox vaccine without a pretty good reason, for example) and occasional quality control problems that kill or harm patients. But there is zero evidence for vaccine caused autism, and lots of evidence that there is not an association between them. Whether Big Pharma, Merck, or the devil himself likes this fact is irrelevant.

  21. #21 |  omar | 

    @Mike T

    That also means people like you bear personal responsibility for the autism spectrum disorders that arose from that policy.

    There is no evidence autism is caused by vaccines. The rest of your post is just ad-hominem attack against disconnected groups – that people who advocate vaccinations are personally responsible for autism and Merck is bad.

    Your post sucks, dawg.

  22. #22 |  Jeff W | 

    Mike T, the idea that vaccines in any way contribute to autism or any other serious health effect has been completely debunked. The original Andrew Wakefield study was completely fraudulent.

    And what’s really evil about these anti-vax people is not that their own kids can get sick from not having vaccines, but that they ruin “herd immunity”. When babies are too young for vaccines they rely on herd immunity. But because of the anti-vax movement, there have been breakouts of diseases like whooping cough in the US for the first time in decades, and babies are catching the disease and dying.

    So responsible parents who want to vaccinate their children are having their child die while still too young to vaccinate, all because some idiots prefer believing Jenny McCarthy to the scientific literature.

  23. #23 |  Raybury | 

    The cops had several injuries, and the BMW drive who couldn’t be bothered to properly seat his young child had multiple license suspensions. While none of four articles I found give a blow-by-blow, but he seems he gave pretty good for what he got, with the officers suffering scrapes and bruises.

    Multiple license suspensions are not evidence of citizen of the year, but he was not charged with DUI which I would have guessed for someone with a suspended license. Oh, and the Beemer was a ’94, so not evidence he is a plutocrat. That said, neither is there much evidence for the assaulted-fists-with-face headline.

  24. #24 |  demize! | 

    WOW, on the CNN story. He should write a piece on how he shouldn’t be writing a piece next. Then evaporate.

  25. #25 |  Thom | 

    #23 – How is there not much evidence? There was a “scuffle”. The cops sustained injuries to their hands. The victim sustained injuries to his face and has now been charged with assaulting the officers. What connection are you not making here?

  26. #26 |  Kevin | 

    LZ is just as bad on air. I’ve seen him spar against Will Cain a few times. Cain seems to give genuine attempts to think about the topics being discussed and deliver honest, thought out opinions based on his principles and the various trade-offs at play. LZ more or less just keeps repeating, “lol, republicans are racists! Obama 2016!”.

    This piece was basically just a concentrated version of what he’s like on air. Essentially, “just to be clear: I am a shameless boot-licker, not a journalist”. Pretty disgusting stuff, really.

  27. #27 |  perlhaqr | 

    The DOJ link: WTF? How can some random fucking Fed even think they have the authority to throw someone out of a City meeting in City Hall?

    “DOJ lady, I don’t care what the DOJ rules on being quoted are. I don’t work for the fucking DOJ, I’m a reporter. I report. You wanna not be here, that’s your decision, but this is a public meeting of the city government and if you don’t like it, you can shove it up your federally funded ass.”

    At least, that’s what I wish the reporter would have said.

  28. #28 |  Bill Poser | 

    Is there any more information about the circumstances of the DOJ attorney’s visit to the public meeting? What was the doing there? Was she there give some kind of official briefing which her bosses didn’t want recorded? Was she there without DOJ authorization and worried about getting in trouble for speaking for the Department without authorization? I wonder what was going on.

  29. #29 |  Deoxy | 

    That also means people like you bear personal responsibility for the autism spectrum disorders that arose from that policy. You can be as much of a self-righteous, technocratic, statist asshole as you want in favor of vaccines. However, that does not absolve you under your logic.

    I never said ANYTHING about the state AT ALL in my post. You pulled that out of … well, somewhere.

    As to responsibility for the autism, even assuming it was true, I would be COMPLETELY fine with that. 1 case of autism for every, what 10 or so child deaths prevented? Yeah, I’m good with that.

    Given that Merck now has whistleblowers bringing out evidence that the Mumps vaccine is a highly fraudulent product…

    Yeah, because the mumps just went away by itself… giggle.

    You’re standing with a company that makes the military industrial complex look like angels.

    I’m not “standing with” any company – I’m standing with the science, with the well-established facts that vaccines prevent disease. I’m standing with the decades of using vaccines before any spike in autism, and the complete lack of correlation between the two. The bad behaviour (or good behaviour, either, for that matter) of any company does not change those facts.

    Most of the evidence I’ve seen suggests that it is the vaccine schedule, not the vaccines, that is to blame.

    Then MAKE THAT CASE. I’m ambivalent on it – in fact, you’re the only one even bringing it up. Nobody (that I’ve seen) is saying we have to do it exactly this way – if a later schedule would be better, FINE WITH ME.

    But if that’s really the case, then not getting vaccinated at all really doesn’t address the issue, does it? It just leaves people to die from diseases that were conquered years ago.

    I stand by what I said earlier: those who freak out about this have the blood of innocent children on their hands.

  30. #30 |  Linda | 

    Love the dog portraits. Agree, Jenny McCarthy is horrible. Puppycide…….I running out of words to express my disgust, anger and heartbreak over these incidences. Just simply infuriating. Really, very upsetting.

  31. #31 |  Z | 

    ““I’ve been all over the state holding these meetings and haven’t had a problem with any other reporters,” Hranitzky said.”

    I think that’s part of the problem.

  32. #32 |  Frank Hummel | 

    Sorry for the link but i thought I might lighten the mood by looking at some more TSA stupidity:

    http://travel.sympatico.ca/TravelNews/Articles/TSAAgentCausesAirportEvacuation

  33. #33 |  Personanongrata | 

    LZ Granderson embarrasses himself. As a journalist, I’m embarrassed for him.

    LZ PU.

  34. #34 |  Leon Wolfeson | 

    On the Parole Board – You want fire-at-will, then complain when a boss uses it? This is *exactly* the sort of thing it enables.

  35. #35 |  Belle Waring | 

    I live in Singapore, where I know full well the person making my lunch next to may have arrived two days ago from rural Bangladesh, and the person on the bus next to me may have just gotten off the plane from Laos. I wish there were MORE vaccines which could then be made mandatory. Where’s my dengue fever vaccine? Malaria? Can I double my children up on some things, just in case? Extra MMR, screw it, why not. The idea of babies suffering and even dying from the horrors of what the Chinese call the “100 day cough,” whooping cough, during which infants can fracture ribs in their coughing fits–it’s a preventable tragedy, and people should be held responsible.

  36. #36 |  John Spragge | 

    Much as you may disagree with LZ Granderson, he has a point. Nearly all of the government actions which Radley documents so well stem, in the end, from fears the American people indulge and from things they want. From forfeiture to puppycide to swat teams to limits on soft drink sizes: no malign alien spaceship sends down nannies to impose these on the people. If the American public, or even just the public in one state demanded changes in the laws, swat teams would no longer serve drug warrants, police officers who shot dogs would suffer severe penalties, and nothing the Fraternal Order of Police or other interest groups could do would save the status quo. Government excess, from the drone war to Iran-Contra happen because the public wants them to, or because the public wants some other end and will accept government excess, if necessary, as a means to that end.

  37. #37 |  M | 

    Rand Paul Big Gov’t:
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/rand-paul-grabs-the-chance-to-dictate-to-local-government/2012/06/27/gJQAmRqi7V_story.html

  38. #38 |  Nick T. | 

    #36, I don’t really think that was Granderson’s point. He was saying, rather specifically, we need to stop butting our nose into what the government does BECAUSE what they do is ugly, or dirty or morally dubious.
    Your diagnosis of a serious problem in America is spot on, but Granderson seems to advocate soemthing that would exascerbate (sp) it, namely, not knowing what the people we put in charge are doing.

  39. #39 |  albatross | 

    Nick:

    That’s how I read it, too. It seems like it is exactly the same logic as “walking on by” torture or assassinations or domestic spying or whatever other awful and illegal stuff we do in the War On Terror. And it is consistent that an Obama supporter buys this logic, because Obama has been fighting hard to keep us in the dark about both past and future misbehavior of the feds in these matters.

    Of course, the most plausible reading is that this guy is simply a hack who has no principles, only a side. I don’t know his work–is it at all likely he would make such a statement wrt a Republican scandal investigated by Democratic congressmen?

  40. #40 |  Cyto | 

    I agree with your assessment of Jenny McCarthy, but a few condescending comments to mothers of autistic children are the least of her transgressions. For spearheading the anti-vaccine movement in the US she’s earned a special place in… well, wherever the place is where they send people who get hundreds of people killed and thousands subjected to horrible illness just because they can’t bear to think that “sometimes bad things just happen and kids end up developing in ways that are not 100% normal.”

    And thanks for putting my family at risk by allowing the resurgence of preventable diseases like measles and pertussis by reducing herd immunity. Nice job, douche-nozzles.

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