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	<title>Comments on: Know Your Rights</title>
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	<description>It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do.</description>
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		<title>By: RedDevil83</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/06/27/know-your-rights-2/comment-page-2/#comment-3461513</link>
		<dc:creator>RedDevil83</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2012 18:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why&#039;e you take it down? I never SAW it!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why&#8217;e you take it down? I never SAW it!</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/06/27/know-your-rights-2/comment-page-2/#comment-3461263</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2012 16:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ignorance of the law is no excuse, unless you are in law enforcement.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ignorance of the law is no excuse, unless you are in law enforcement.</p>
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		<title>By: Juice</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/06/27/know-your-rights-2/comment-page-2/#comment-3461215</link>
		<dc:creator>Juice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2012 16:44:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The title of the post is &quot;Know your rights&quot; but it seems that what is shown by the video is that your rights are far from the only thing you need to know. It looks like you need to know, on the spot, at the point of arrest or detainment, every jot and tittle of the statutory law and case law in your situation. Maybe one day there&#039;ll be an app for that. Of course it will track and trace you like most other apps, but that&#039;s another story.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The title of the post is &#8220;Know your rights&#8221; but it seems that what is shown by the video is that your rights are far from the only thing you need to know. It looks like you need to know, on the spot, at the point of arrest or detainment, every jot and tittle of the statutory law and case law in your situation. Maybe one day there&#8217;ll be an app for that. Of course it will track and trace you like most other apps, but that&#8217;s another story.</p>
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		<title>By: KBCraig</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/06/27/know-your-rights-2/comment-page-2/#comment-3459777</link>
		<dc:creator>KBCraig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2012 08:07:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#51 &amp; #52 gave the proper links to the original video.

Here is the same link, for those late to the thread.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfdEbe7e9GE

Here is the where he first announced it.

http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/showthread.php?103248-My-yearly-detainment-in-Portland 

And here is his comment later in that thread:

&quot;People uploading my video and copying it is irritating to me. I&#039;d rather they link back to my video directly instead of copying it without even attempting to seek my permission.&quot;

When it started going viral, people started copying it and reposting it as their own.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#51 &amp; #52 gave the proper links to the original video.</p>
<p>Here is the same link, for those late to the thread.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfdEbe7e9GE" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfdEbe7e9GE</a></p>
<p>Here is the where he first announced it.</p>
<p><a href="http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/showthread.php?103248-My-yearly-detainment-in-Portland" rel="nofollow">http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/showthread.php?103248-My-yearly-detainment-in-Portland</a> </p>
<p>And here is his comment later in that thread:</p>
<p>&#8220;People uploading my video and copying it is irritating to me. I&#8217;d rather they link back to my video directly instead of copying it without even attempting to seek my permission.&#8221;</p>
<p>When it started going viral, people started copying it and reposting it as their own.</p>
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		<title>By: el coronado</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/06/27/know-your-rights-2/comment-page-2/#comment-3458912</link>
		<dc:creator>el coronado</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2012 03:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cravenly?]]></description>
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		<title>By: BamBam</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/06/27/know-your-rights-2/comment-page-2/#comment-3458824</link>
		<dc:creator>BamBam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2012 03:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;@60 So, the guy goes out trying to create an incident carrying an unloaded gun. Then he complains that the cop sweeps the muzzle of the gun across parts of his body?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

1. You label the person engaging in legal activity as &quot;trying to create an incident&quot;.  I know you cannot read minds, so this is a baseless statement.

2. You state that when one tries to create an incident carrying an unloaded gun, that  he deserves having a muzzle swept across his body.  In your mind people deserve to have their life threatened for just this matter, or for all matters?  That&#039;s pretty sick thinking.

3. You say the gun was unloaded.  How do you know this?  One should always assume that ALL firearms are loaded until proven otherwise.  The guy states in the video that there was one in the chamber, which means it was NOT unloaded.

4. You label the guy a &quot;major asshole&quot; simply for engaging in legal activity and asserting his rights.  He did not yell or swear at the cop, and stated case law in an assertive tone.  How do you purport that one should behave to a cop engaging in illegal activity?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>@60 So, the guy goes out trying to create an incident carrying an unloaded gun. Then he complains that the cop sweeps the muzzle of the gun across parts of his body?</p></blockquote>
<p>1. You label the person engaging in legal activity as &#8220;trying to create an incident&#8221;.  I know you cannot read minds, so this is a baseless statement.</p>
<p>2. You state that when one tries to create an incident carrying an unloaded gun, that  he deserves having a muzzle swept across his body.  In your mind people deserve to have their life threatened for just this matter, or for all matters?  That&#8217;s pretty sick thinking.</p>
<p>3. You say the gun was unloaded.  How do you know this?  One should always assume that ALL firearms are loaded until proven otherwise.  The guy states in the video that there was one in the chamber, which means it was NOT unloaded.</p>
<p>4. You label the guy a &#8220;major asshole&#8221; simply for engaging in legal activity and asserting his rights.  He did not yell or swear at the cop, and stated case law in an assertive tone.  How do you purport that one should behave to a cop engaging in illegal activity?</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Mangels</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/06/27/know-your-rights-2/comment-page-2/#comment-3458746</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred Mangels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2012 02:51:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ghost wrote, &lt;i&gt;&quot;Apparently, his supervisor disagrees&lt;/i&gt;&quot;. 

The supervisor showed up after the fact and didn&#039;t have to deal with a major asshole. No problem with the supervisor letting him go (although I don&#039;t recall seeing the supe in the video), but he might have thought differently about it had he had to deal with that student from the start.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ghost wrote, <i>&#8220;Apparently, his supervisor disagrees</i>&#8220;. </p>
<p>The supervisor showed up after the fact and didn&#8217;t have to deal with a major asshole. No problem with the supervisor letting him go (although I don&#8217;t recall seeing the supe in the video), but he might have thought differently about it had he had to deal with that student from the start.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Mangels</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/06/27/know-your-rights-2/comment-page-2/#comment-3458739</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred Mangels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2012 02:47:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[BamBam wrote, &quot;&lt;i&gt;Cop grabbed the gun and swept the muzzle across the guy. You can see the hand positioning when the cop grabs the gun, and the guy immediately responds “you just pointed the gun at my leg” or something like that.&lt;/i&gt;.

So, the guy goes out trying to create an incident carrying an unloaded gun. Then he complains that the cop sweeps the muzzle of the gun across parts of his body? 

So? Why would the guy complain if he knew he had an unloaded gun? He&#039;s trying to pick a fight.

I realize that&#039;s not considered proper gun handling, but it&#039;s something myself and probably many of you have done at one time or another. I know I have. 

Some of you are nitpicking over what many of us gun owners have done on occasion. Trying to make an issue out of that makes it look like you&#039;re trying to pick a fight too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BamBam wrote, &#8220;<i>Cop grabbed the gun and swept the muzzle across the guy. You can see the hand positioning when the cop grabs the gun, and the guy immediately responds “you just pointed the gun at my leg” or something like that.</i>.</p>
<p>So, the guy goes out trying to create an incident carrying an unloaded gun. Then he complains that the cop sweeps the muzzle of the gun across parts of his body? </p>
<p>So? Why would the guy complain if he knew he had an unloaded gun? He&#8217;s trying to pick a fight.</p>
<p>I realize that&#8217;s not considered proper gun handling, but it&#8217;s something myself and probably many of you have done at one time or another. I know I have. </p>
<p>Some of you are nitpicking over what many of us gun owners have done on occasion. Trying to make an issue out of that makes it look like you&#8217;re trying to pick a fight too.</p>
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		<title>By: Ghost</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/06/27/know-your-rights-2/comment-page-2/#comment-3458452</link>
		<dc:creator>Ghost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2012 00:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fred,
Apparently, his supervisor disagrees. The cop was absolutely overstepping his power. Carrying a gun is not a crime. This cops actions were criminal. 

Learn the difference, dude.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fred,<br />
Apparently, his supervisor disagrees. The cop was absolutely overstepping his power. Carrying a gun is not a crime. This cops actions were criminal. </p>
<p>Learn the difference, dude.</p>
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		<title>By: BamBam</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/06/27/know-your-rights-2/comment-page-2/#comment-3458432</link>
		<dc:creator>BamBam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2012 23:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To add to firearms rules: rule 2: always assume all firearms are loaded.

actually that should be 1, then 2 &quot;never point firearm at object unless you intend to destroy the object&quot;.

If you recognize rule 1 and still point the firearm, then you need a headslap.  That being said, I&#039;ve done a few muzzle sweeps in my time because I&#039;m a human, but fortunately my finger wasn&#039;t on the trigger nor was the firearm loaded.  These firearms rules should be beat into everyone and constantly retested and watched and called out by everyone.  You have multiple layers of firearms safety so if you screw 1 up you should still be safe, but still need a verbal reminder.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To add to firearms rules: rule 2: always assume all firearms are loaded.</p>
<p>actually that should be 1, then 2 &#8220;never point firearm at object unless you intend to destroy the object&#8221;.</p>
<p>If you recognize rule 1 and still point the firearm, then you need a headslap.  That being said, I&#8217;ve done a few muzzle sweeps in my time because I&#8217;m a human, but fortunately my finger wasn&#8217;t on the trigger nor was the firearm loaded.  These firearms rules should be beat into everyone and constantly retested and watched and called out by everyone.  You have multiple layers of firearms safety so if you screw 1 up you should still be safe, but still need a verbal reminder.</p>
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		<title>By: BamBam</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/06/27/know-your-rights-2/comment-page-2/#comment-3458421</link>
		<dc:creator>BamBam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2012 23:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;…And the cop demonstrated his lack of gun safety knowledge,….

I didn’t notice that. What are you referring to?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

rule 1 of firearms: never point the firearm at an object unless you intend to destroy the object.

Cop grabbed the gun and swept the muzzle across the guy.  You can see the hand positioning when the cop grabs the gun, and the guy immediately responds &quot;you just pointed the gun at my leg&quot; or something like that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>…And the cop demonstrated his lack of gun safety knowledge,….</p>
<p>I didn’t notice that. What are you referring to?</p></blockquote>
<p>rule 1 of firearms: never point the firearm at an object unless you intend to destroy the object.</p>
<p>Cop grabbed the gun and swept the muzzle across the guy.  You can see the hand positioning when the cop grabs the gun, and the guy immediately responds &#8220;you just pointed the gun at my leg&#8221; or something like that.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Mangels</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/06/27/know-your-rights-2/comment-page-2/#comment-3458340</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred Mangels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2012 23:12:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[He wasn&#039;t overstepping anything. He was called because some citizens were concerned about some guy carrying a pistol while walking down the street. His job was to investigate it. The student was doing it to provoke an incident. The cop didn&#039;t bite.

You are correct that the cop was probably taken aback by the verbal assault he ended up getting, but he handled fairly well, I thought.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He wasn&#8217;t overstepping anything. He was called because some citizens were concerned about some guy carrying a pistol while walking down the street. His job was to investigate it. The student was doing it to provoke an incident. The cop didn&#8217;t bite.</p>
<p>You are correct that the cop was probably taken aback by the verbal assault he ended up getting, but he handled fairly well, I thought.</p>
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		<title>By: burt hoovis</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/06/27/know-your-rights-2/comment-page-2/#comment-3458336</link>
		<dc:creator>burt hoovis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2012 23:11:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[UGGGG.  I waited to later in the day to watch that, and now it&#039;s been taken down due to a copyright claim.  SNAP!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>UGGGG.  I waited to later in the day to watch that, and now it&#8217;s been taken down due to a copyright claim.  SNAP!</p>
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		<title>By: EH</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/06/27/know-your-rights-2/comment-page-2/#comment-3458298</link>
		<dc:creator>EH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2012 22:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fred Mangels: The cop was nice because he knew he was overstepping. It&#039;s the same reason why he didn&#039;t answer when asked what law he was suspected of breaking. If the cop knew he was in the right, the guy would have been on the ground instantly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fred Mangels: The cop was nice because he knew he was overstepping. It&#8217;s the same reason why he didn&#8217;t answer when asked what law he was suspected of breaking. If the cop knew he was in the right, the guy would have been on the ground instantly.</p>
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		<title>By: EH</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/06/27/know-your-rights-2/comment-page-2/#comment-3458258</link>
		<dc:creator>EH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2012 22:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Copyright claim, WTF.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Copyright claim, WTF.</p>
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		<title>By: Name Nomad</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/06/27/know-your-rights-2/comment-page-2/#comment-3457884</link>
		<dc:creator>Name Nomad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2012 21:56:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s the video in question from the original account.  Apparently the one Balko linked to is down: http://youtu.be/jfdEbe7e9GE]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the video in question from the original account.  Apparently the one Balko linked to is down: <a href="http://youtu.be/jfdEbe7e9GE" rel="nofollow">http://youtu.be/jfdEbe7e9GE</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ammyth</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/06/27/know-your-rights-2/comment-page-2/#comment-3457863</link>
		<dc:creator>Ammyth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2012 21:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfdEbe7e9GE&amp;feature=plcp]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfdEbe7e9GE&#038;feature=plcp" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfdEbe7e9GE&#038;feature=plcp</a></p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/06/27/know-your-rights-2/comment-page-1/#comment-3457726</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2012 21:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Would have liked to see it before it got yanked. Anybody know of another version/location?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would have liked to see it before it got yanked. Anybody know of another version/location?</p>
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		<title>By: WillyT</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/06/27/know-your-rights-2/comment-page-1/#comment-3457667</link>
		<dc:creator>WillyT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2012 21:14:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by boyscout399. 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0RzAF007LM&amp;feature=player_embedded]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by boyscout399.<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0RzAF007LM&#038;feature=player_embedded" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0RzAF007LM&#038;feature=player_embedded</a></p>
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		<title>By: Boyd Durkin</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/06/27/know-your-rights-2/comment-page-1/#comment-3457643</link>
		<dc:creator>Boyd Durkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2012 21:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;
Yes, assert your rights always, but don’t come off as a prick. 
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I deal with pricks every day at my job stocking shelves at Radio Shack without shooting them.  I expect cops to do even better.  Yes, you have a right to be a prick and not get splattered across the sidewalk...that should be tested as well.

Too many times I read citizens criticizing people who might, MIGHT, if you squint real hard, and bend reality, just maybe were a wee bit gruff in their response to a cop...and that gets listed as a reason for cops busting their head in.  Are we dealing with rabid grizzly bears or civil servants?  It isn&#039;t &quot;Protect and serve only those that are 100% servile and cower at our feet while talking more respectful than an old plantation slave to his master.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>
Yes, assert your rights always, but don’t come off as a prick.
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<p>I deal with pricks every day at my job stocking shelves at Radio Shack without shooting them.  I expect cops to do even better.  Yes, you have a right to be a prick and not get splattered across the sidewalk&#8230;that should be tested as well.</p>
<p>Too many times I read citizens criticizing people who might, MIGHT, if you squint real hard, and bend reality, just maybe were a wee bit gruff in their response to a cop&#8230;and that gets listed as a reason for cops busting their head in.  Are we dealing with rabid grizzly bears or civil servants?  It isn&#8217;t &#8220;Protect and serve only those that are 100% servile and cower at our feet while talking more respectful than an old plantation slave to his master.&#8221;</p>
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