Here, lemme try. Ahhh, Jordan! Prosperous and Gentle Land of nectar and honey, long populated by the followers of the prophet, and thus presumably well-schooled in the sacred islamic tenets of peace and charity and brotherhood, especially towards their fellow moslems.

So why is it that Jordan killed more palestinians in one ‘black’ September than Israel has in 60+ years? How is that? More to the point, WHY did Jordan feel the need to kill 20,000 of their peaceful and tolerant palestinian brethren? Why’d they do that, hmmm?

Demize: I’ve done a LOT of looking into the Israel/Palestine thing, checking first sources whenever possible. You making making wild and ridiculous claims about how racist everyone is for not going along with the intended genocide of the Jews is not going to change my mind (or the mind of anyone else here) any more than us showing you real world evidence will change yours.

But, since I’m stubborn to the point of stupidity:
-Every nation in the middle east has a sizable (or larger) portion of Arab citizens (including Israel). Only one has more than a tiny handful of Jews, and most have absolutely none. This did not happen by accident.
-Jordan and other neighboring nations actually made it illegal for Palestinian Arabs (and in come cases, even their descendants) to become citizens of those nations. Israel has Palestinian citizens. The “permanent refuge camps” in Gaza and the West Bank are there because the neighboring countries found it politcally useful to create them.
-Israel has offered the contested lands to its foes on more than one occasion with the simple terms of “stop trying to kill us”. Hamas (and other groups) have founding and controlling documents stating that their intent and reason for existence is to kill the Jews.
-If given the power to kill all the Jews in Israel, which Arab group would not use it? Israel HAS and HAS HAD FOR SOME TIME the power to kill ALL the Palestinians, if they so desired, and they have not done so.

I could go on. No, I don’t AT ALL expect to convince you. I would appreciate it, though, if you would respect us enough to not call US racists for looking at carefully and thoroughly gathered facts and making decisions without account for race.

I think Demize comes from the school of thought which holds that wretchedness and righteousness are the same thing.

If the Jews of the world were still acting like helpless victims, I’m sure he’d have no trouble with them.

If the Arab world ever stopped wallowing in superstition, prejudice, misogyny, tyranny, and vengeance, I’m sure he’d lose whatever sympathy he has misplaced there.

Know where they are today? Know why? They were not “sacrificed on the altar of Hertzl.” They suffered discrimination and brutal violence from the Arab Muslim populations, decided “fuck this” and left en masse. Just one more reason why your ideological blinders are making you particularly unable to grasp what’s happening in the Middle East.

You wondered: “What baffles me is why people who consistently stick up for the unarmed, assaulted underdog stop doing so in this one case.”

Be baffled no more: those of us who didn’t arbitrarily start the clock in 1947 (or 1917 if you prefer) recognize the Jews as the most assaulted and least armed underdogs in the known history of the world. The fact that they’ve been armed for the last few milliseconds of geologic time doesn’t change that, and doesn’t distress me a bit.
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You also wrote: “But you gotta love how the non aggression principle and property rights just go right out the window when its the wrong kind of people asserting them.”

This too is simple: we don’t believe in unilateral non-aggression, only in non-aggression pacts. And no one ever made a reliable non-aggression pact with the Jews before, so there was no agreement or principle for them to violate when they started building the Jewish state.

You fundamentally misunderstand the origin of property rights. From a libertarian and especially an anarcho-capitalistic perspective, the Palestinian tribes didn’t own that land any more than the Queen of England legitimately owns Buckingham Palace. They had one collectivist tribal claim, the Jews had another. Since both of those claims are equally silly and illegitimate, it comes down to homesteading. And in that respect no one can deny that the Jewish claim proved to be vastly superior.

Ummm….. 1) The British went out of their way to minimize Jewish presence in Palestine. 2) The grand Mufti of Jerusalem shacked up with Hitler specifically to keep it that way, since dead Jews don’t migrate.

There’s always gonna be some bleeding heart that sheds tears for some tribe/people/group which faded into the darkness of history because they were not strong or adaptable enough to survive. It happened to the Egyptians and the Mayans. It’s gonna even happen to the US someday (not today). Live with it, adapt and survive…

“Where sovereignty is contested, there one finds mass death and destruction… my anarchist self wishes it weren’t so, but humans have a lot of evolving to do before anarchy stops being the dirtiest word.”

The state is definitely one of those animals that becomes more dangerous when wounded.

Perhaps this proves me a hypocrite, but if a mass anarchist movement poured out into the streets tomorrow, I wouldn’t join it. As you point out, we are not ready. At best, we might end up with 1793. At worst, it would be the Paris Commune meets Phnom Penh.

Unlike everyone else around me, I never got excited about the so-called Arab Spring. I still cannot believe how many people remain blind to the creeping menace of those events. When I see the crowds in Syria I think: “There goes a mob of people who’ve never heard of subjective utility or public choice, never read Animal Farm or Nineteen-Eighty-Four, never watched an atheist debate a rabbi on Youtube. Any society they manage to build will be a prolific exporter of human misery.”

Speaking of Orwell, I’m always haunted by this description of the resistance: “They are not an organization in the sense we know. Nothing holds it together but an idea. There is no possibility of change in their lifetime. In the face of the thought police, they cannot act collectively. ”

He was wrong about that. It turns out the regular police are quite enough to keep us where we are. For insecure people terrified of drifting away from the safety of consensus, well…the thoughts mostly just police themselves.

A concise definition of a gang if I ever heard one.

First, Sean, let me compliment you on your style … I find it witty, entertaining and all other similar adjectives. This blog is better for your presence in the comments. You really should write your own blog too, I would read it.

Second, I obviously wasn’t condoning SWAT tactics or SWAT existence, not that you were implying that. I am as anti-state as the suburban bum that I am can be. But it is amahzing how easily some confuse pure statements of reality with support of said reality.

Third, reality exists, and it exists for a reason. The romanticism of this blog aside, Mencius Moldbug of Unqualified Reservations has proved the necessity of the omnipotent sovereign, as have countless others before him. Where sovereignty is contested, there one finds mass death and destruction, as one finds in present-day Syria and wherever empires border each other. My anarchist self wishes it weren’t so, but humans have a lot of evolving to do before anarchy stops being the dirtiest word.

In America, sovereignty is uncontested, but the sovereign still finds it useful to demonstrate its power through ultra-violent SWAT teams et. al., just to remind anyone who might contest sovereignty that it’s a bad idea. The police in America are the biggest, baddest gang on the block. And Douchey McDoucheDouche SWAT team roid freak knows it and is just spreading the word via the 1st Amendment. He’s a symptom, not a cause.

We are all contestants in the SWAT team raid lottery of life, and I hate to admit the possibility, but all Americans might be better off this way rather than have sovereignty contests if the alternative is Syria, Iraq or Afghanistan.

And if modern policing in American is inevitable, then the privileged wealthy who own this country would simply rather the SWAT teams lavish their attention on the non-wealthy. LOL life. Maybe they’ll be the last to be eaten by the crocodile. Then we can all laugh about it.

Sorry for the ramble, it’s been a while, keep up the lively commenting.