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Friday, June 22nd, 2012
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  1. #1 |  Eric | 

    That privitization quibble is right on. I work for a wastewater outsourcing company – a French one, no less! – and this is a frequent scare tactic that public sector unions use against us. “Do you REALLY want to hand over your water systems to a foreign company? They will rape and pillage! Beware!” But really it is just a matter of cities recognizing that operations of increasingly complex systems require expertise that they don’t necessarily have anymore. Like prisons, cities still own the infrastructure, control the rates/taxes, collect the revenues, etc. It’s not unlike hiring an IT firm to fix your computers or an auto shop to maintain your fleet.

  2. #2 |  Charlie O | 

    To the former Santa Monica SWAT officer. Fuck you.

    As to Peru, Indiana story. This kind of shit just makes me cheer when cops are killed in the line of duty. This story warrants a special trip to police memorial in DC to take a nice juicy dump right in the middle of the thing.

  3. #3 |  nigmalg | 

    Re: Santa Monica SWAT officer

    That guy is known for being seriously unstable. The article was jaw drop worthy.

  4. #4 |  Roho | 

    SWAT article boils down to:

    “Yeah, we shouldn’t be hog-tying and shooting innocent people. But you know what? I’ve been there, man, I’ve seen it all, and I’m jaded now. That makes it okay when I hog-tie or shoot an innocent person. You don’t like it, stay out of my way.”

    Why do police seem to think they’re the only ones who get this magical jaded-you-just-can’t-understand exemption?

    “Yeah, we shouldn’t be spitting in the burgers. But you know what? I’ve been slinging these meat patties for 20 years, and frankly, I’ve seen it all. Don’t want phlegm in your value meal? Don’t come into my store wearing a T-shirt I don’t like.”

  5. #5 |  Mike | 

    About the Santa Monica SWAT officer, everything he says is generally true. Poor people are going to get SWAT teams in their houses at a higher rate than not poor people. It can be hard to get a job for certain types of people, but even for somebody with only a GED, you can get a job as a waiter. Making enough money to get out of a poor neighborhood isn’t some impossible task.

    Of course, what makes him a sociopath is his glee in relaying in and insistence that there’s no normative judgment to be made about the state of affairs. Poor people are going to get people running up in their houses with machine guns all the time. Duh! How else could the world possibly work? And of course the unspoken assumption putting a bunch of bullets in someone’s chest is just something that you do, not really a big deal.

    What he doesn’t mention of course is that mayors of cities get SWAT teams in their houses too and cardiologists get bullets in their chests from cops as well.

  6. #6 |  Brandon | 

    The name of the website is WarriorTalkNews. That tells you all you need to know about the warped perspective of the gestap, um, I mean SWAT operators. Sorry, getting tough to tell them apart.

    As for Yglesias, he still manages, in an otherwise reasonable piece, to throw in the unions=wonderful and business owners=rich and evil trope.

  7. #7 |  Stevie OneLeg | 

    I love that Gabe Suarez (the SWAT dude) refers to Jesus in his sig-line. Perfect.

  8. #8 |  Yizmo Gizmo | 

    “Peru, Indiana police Tase a late-stage Alzheimer’s patient because he wouldn’t follow their commands. ”

    So many beatings, tasings of Diabetics, Alzheimer’s, Mentally Ill, and just plain poor these days.
    Culturally, historically, isn’t that some sort of sign of impending doom?

    SWAT:
    “We will always win….even if we have to burn down your entire house by bombing it….we will win”. Period.

    Nice to see caution and restraint and a general sense of respect are so deeply embedded in their psyche. No wonder some of these SWAT
    invasion aftermaths look more like My Lai than Mayberry.

  9. #9 |  David | 

    David Duke is not a white supremacist. He repeatedly and emphatically states that he believes that all men are created equal.

    Like most paradoxes, the “paradox” that Duke and a black nationalist (?) have much common ground demonstrates that the assumptions that lead to the paradox are wrong to begin with.

    For real, and truly horrifying racial supremacists, go to a Torrent site and get Duke’s free audio book, ‘Jewish Supremacism’. The homicidal hatred Jews like Freud, Marx, Lenin, and Trotsky held for gentiles is chilling to the very core. Almost as chilling is the fact that this rabid racism (not mere “racialism”) gets covered up.

  10. #10 |  dsmallwood | 

    the SWAT should not be ignored, but these are good too:

    MY
    That’s exactly right and the difference is that nothing has been privatized in “prison privatization.” The government’s just handed out a contract. What you do with the contracting is that instead of handing money over to unionized public sector workers who hand some of the money back to Democratic Party politicians you hand the money over to a contracting firm that hands some of the money back to Republican Party politicians. From the perspective of partisan politics, these are very different scenarios.

    Seattle Pi
    More than 100,000 dashcam videos have disappeared from the Seattle Police Department, prompting city investigators to recommend the department do a better job of tracking and saving those videos.

    to MY, “hell yeah”. hard to believe it needs to be said.

    to the Seattle auditors, “sure, we may have been concerned with the first 50 or 60,000 videos, but dang, once they got to 100,000, we really felt we needed to make a recommendation”

    bravo

  11. #11 |  Max | 

    2 Policemen in Omaha, NE tasered an elderly man with dementia a couple of months ago. Miserable cowardly bullies.

  12. #12 |  George E | 

    We need to teach dogs how to shoot.

  13. #13 |  Radley Balko | 

    #9:

    Duke is a former grand wizard in the Ku Klux Klan. Whether he calls himself a white supremacist or a white nationalist is really irrelevant to me.

    Also, clicking on your IP address, why am I not surprised that you once left long comments here defending the Ron Paul newsletters?

    Go back to Stormfront, please.

  14. #14 |  Andrew S. | 

    David @#9: That you, Mr. Duke? I’m kind of surprised you didn’t point to the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. I’m sure you believe that’s truthful as well.

    Go back under your bridge, troll.

  15. #15 |  Bystander | 

    Where does it say Gabe Suarez is a former Santa Monica Swat officer? I am not suggesting you made this up or even got it wrong. I just don’t see where his bio or background is listed. I wouldn’t worry about it, but as his column reveals a very disturbing mindset that should prevent someone from being a police officer, I was interested in his bio.

  16. #16 |  NickCharles | 

    Far more chilling is that whole Penis Envy/Oedipus Complex thing…yeesh!

  17. #17 |  A Critic | 

    RE Gabe Suarez, Professional Mall Ninja:

    “The reality is that you and your M4 or Custom AK are no match for ten trained guys, working in unison, and coming at a time of their choosing, to take you down.”

    I wonder how he explains away that Matthew Stewart of Ogden Utah who used a 9mm handgun to kill 1 SWAT member and shoot 5 others while surviving.

    A well prepared home owner should easily be able to take down an entire SWAT team illegally entering his house in Indiana. This is for two reasons: 1) He will have the defenders advantage which is considerable if he makes use of it and 2) SWAT teams are stupid, incompetent, and very predictable. I say that as a former Marine infantryman who laughs at the SWAT jokers who think they know how to run a raid. The only reason those punks survive is Americans are usually compliant sheep.

    I expect at some point in the next few decades someone will make a serious effort to defend themselves against an illegal raid in Indiana – and while it’s impossible to predict the outcome of any battle, and while the only way to win a fight is to avoid it entirely, the cops are surely going to be losers.

  18. #18 |  EH | 

    Isn’t the reality that SWAT is rarely deployed against people with M4s and “Custom AKs?”

  19. #19 |  NickCharles | 

    Apparently the little SWAT sociopath did time for workers comp fraud. Funny to read him pissing and moaning about how the government was oh so wrong when it came after his stupid ass. He ended up pleading guilty, but of course NOBODY who was truly innocent would ever plead guilty or confess to a crime they didn’t commit, amiright???

  20. #20 |  Gonzo | 

    @A Critic – Radley has talked some about the gap in quality between SWAT teams and the military, and probably people have mentioned it in comments and stuff too. But just out of curiosity, can you be more specific? Why’re they incompetent and such? I dunno the first thing about it.

  21. #21 |  Andrew S. | 

    A Critic: The cops may lose, but it’s pretty sure that the homeowner will lose as well. Regardless of the law, the likelihood is that he will either be prosecuted or killed.

  22. #22 |  croaker | 

    @21 Perhaps, but eventually they’re gonna run out of SWATzis.

  23. #23 |  David | 

    @#13

    Thanks for stalking me, creepy dude.

    And, no, I’m not going to turn into a groveling coward because a troll at Reason’s blog out to sabotage Ron Paul cherry picked some meaningless quotes from a twenty year old magazine as cause to distract from the idea of liberty.

  24. #24 |  j00bz | 

    Regarding the SWAT officer’s advice…

    The problem is not that what he’s saying is wrong. The problem is that we as a country don’t see a problem with the fact that, actually, he’s right.

  25. #25 |  David | 

    (BTW….what is this “Stormfront” that people here are so fixated on? I’m afraid to look it up because I think it’ll take me some place illegal. It’s like the dudes on ‘Nancy Grace’ who rant against the supposed child molestation epidemic: they always go into a bit too much graphical detail, too breathlessly, too quickly….and they kinda end up sounding like that’s what they secretly want. Same phenomenon with people who start barking “Stormfront!!!” when you mention that Karl Marx was Jewish. Why so defensive?)

  26. #26 |  Tim in Ohio | 

    I made it this far:

    “We will always win….even if we have to burn down your entire house by bombing it….we will win”. Period.”

    America. **** yeah.

    Oh, and “Swatzies,” I’m using that.

  27. #27 |  Andrew S. | 

    Yeah, you’re right David. The Jews are behind every conspiracy in the world.

    That reminds me. Need to get in my ballot to select the 12 Jewish bankers that control the world. And pick up my latest shipment of Jew gold.

  28. #28 |  Frank Hummel | 

    “Indiana is the first U.S. state to specifically allow force against officers”

    Wrong. Texas has had that provision for while.

  29. #29 |  demize! | 

    #4 they aren’t. Vets and current enlisted pull that shit too and it drives me batshit. Example “we wouldn’t be having this argument if I hadn’t defended your freedoms” This is the sanctimonious, and the self righteous tends towards the “if you weren’t there than you don’t know, so just shut up man” followed by the butthurt, “if it wasn’t for all these damn rules we’d be winning,, or already have won. Rules equal not being able to call in an airstrike in downtown Bagdad bc someone popped off two rounds.

  30. #30 |  jmcross | 

    It’s a tough choice on this multiple gut punch Friday, but I’m throwing my outrage in with the demented old man. The staff of that facility needs to be retrained. As long he wasn’t armed the staff should have been able to control him. There is no need to get Johnny Law involved when the staff knows what they’re doing.

    In my experience, when Leo is involved in out of control patient situations they usually make things worse. The one time they were helpful was with a nut case who had a knife out.

  31. #31 |  Burgers Allday | 

    1. Looks like Gabe Suarez joined the Santa Monica pd at about age 28. Makes me wonder . . .

    2. Juicy:

    http://www.firearmschat.com/index.php/topic/1676-gabe-suarez-suarez-international/

    3. Can’t be sure, but the following case:

    PEOPLE v. DAILEY, 47 Cal.App.4th 747 (1996)

    might be read as hinting that Officer Suarez killed a Seven Eleven clerk when responding to a robbery at the Seven Eleven. The decision does not come out and say that he shot the clerks (one lived), but it goes to some length to avoid saying that the robers shot the clerks. Then again, it may not be the same SMPD Officer Suarez. Any Totski’s know more about the background of this case?

  32. #32 |  Stephanie | 

    #7: Not only does he refer to Jesus, he runs a blog called “Christian Warrior Ministries.” (Click on “Christian Blog” in the upper right hand corner.)

  33. #33 |  Chris Mallory | 

    @17

    Not to slight Mr. Stewart or his shooting ability, but I would wager a good amount of money that some of those swatzis were victims of their comrades firing off rounds with no clue what the target was.

  34. #34 |  Brandon | 

    David, are you an idiot? Can you not read the name on #13, or see the site it links to? He’s not talking about Max on Hit&Run, he’s talking about comments you have left at this site in the past. It’s his site, he has ready access to your comment history. And Balko is not one to throw around racist accusations lightly, so I can only assume you said something fairly inflammatory. Might be best to back off and think about things for a while before doubling down.

  35. #35 |  capn_amurka | 

    The former Santa Monica SWAT officer makes the kind of assertions that make me inclined to vote against tax levies that support his profession. I doubt I’m alone, so, indirectly, he is helping to alleviate the ugly problem he writes about so casually.

  36. #36 |  ken | 

    @27
    Ha, you mock, and yet you don’t even know it’s the Five Jew Bankers that rule the world from the DeathStar of David!

    And, any fool knows that they would never part with any of the real gold, just the irradiated fake stuff they sell to the gullible goyim, so you can’t be picking any up.

    Unless, no, your one of theeeemmm! No, miniature John Wilkes Booth just…

  37. #37 |  Juice | 

    #5,

    If you only have a GED, maybe you should get a job with SWAT. I hear it pays enough to where you don’t have to live where it’s “zero’dark thirty.”

  38. #38 |  Burgers Allday | 

    PEOPLE v. DAILEY, 47 Cal.App.4th 747 (1996)

    might be read as hinting that Officer Suarez killed a Seven Eleven clerk when responding to a robbery at the Seven Eleven. The decision does not come out and say that he shot the clerks (one lived), . . .

    There is an LAT article online that says two of the robbers shot the 7/11 clerk who died, but this article pretty clearly contradicts the above-cited court opinion (which said these particular two robbers were only charged with felony murder and not direct comission of a murder of the dead 7/11 clerk) and LAT article is therefore probably wrong on this point.

    It would be interesting if this “don’t be poor and don’t get SWATTED” guy Suarez really did kill the 7/11 clerk. It would put his post in an even more sinister light.

  39. #39 |  Jim | 

    @Gonzo

    I am not an expert by any means on the subject. That said it comes down to training, culture and accountablity. In the armed services you are expected to know the general laws and rules under which you operate. You are expected to disregard unlawful orders. You are held accountable if you do not follow these laws and rules. Of course this is not always the case but it is more so followed then not. In law enforcement this is not the case.

    From just reading about the SWAT guy his force looked for a way to get rid of him for adminstrative type reasons instead of the reasons they really wanted to get rid of him. What this does is implies that his on the job actions where not that bad as long as you don’t screw up the paper work.

  40. #40 |  nigmalg | 

    The former Santa Monica SWAT officer makes the kind of assertions that make me inclined to vote against tax levies that support his profession. I doubt I’m alone, so, indirectly, he is helping to alleviate the ugly problem he writes about so casually

    This! He’s his own worst enemy.

  41. #41 |  Dand | 

    OT: Mark Ames goes on a rant against human rights organizations because they don’t say enough unions: what do unions say about police brutality? I mean besides defending it. He also claims the ACLU is part of the Koch conspiracy.

  42. #42 |  Dand | 

    OT: Mark Ames goes on a rant against human rights organizations because they don’t say enough unions: what do unions say about police brutality? I mean besides defending it. He also claims the ACLU is part of the Koch conspiracy. http://thedailybanter.com/2012/06/the-quiet-extermination-of-labor-rights-from-human-rights/

  43. #43 |  Juice | 

    Do you think if police work were contracted out to private security firms, and firms would lose their contract if they, say, lost dash cams or tased one too many alzheimer’s patients or shot too many dogs, maybe they’d be a little less like violent pigs? Who the hell am I kidding?

  44. #44 |  JT | 

    Re: Swat mind set.

    Copperhead Road
    (Steve Earle)

    ” I learned a thing or two from ol’ Charlie don’t you know
    You better stay away from Copperhead Road.”

  45. #45 |  Andrew S. | 

    Shush, ken @ #36. I have to hide the truth somewhat so David won’t find out about our secret plan to release the deadly virus genetically engineered to kill all the Gentiles.

  46. #46 |  Medicine Man | 

    The comment thread on that Attempted Puppycide story is awesome. There’s a real taint-licking strain of authority worship at work in some quarters, it would seem.

  47. #47 |  Sean | 

    @45 I saw that, I wouldn’t be surprised if most of those posting bootlicking comments are either local cops or friends/family of local cops. Damage control at work, gotta convince those who are on the fence about this sort of thing “move along, nothing to see here!” .

  48. #48 |  Juice | 

    The comment thread on the “privatization” article is also pretty awesome.

    Like: “As Andrew touches on, supporting the union means more money in the local economies and also less reliance on government services.”

    And: “The union kickback at least supports residents of a state and their salaries are available, (as Krugman says “transparent”), and accountable to voters; union members spend money in their own states and communities too!. No dice for private carpetbaggers who can take the money and run.”

  49. #49 |  Andrew Roth | 

    Re: j00bz #24:

    Well said. It’s frightening to think of how many Americans would agree with Gabe Suarez that the complainers should just work harder, move to the suburbs, and become family men instead of worrying about the commonweal. Offhand, I’d guess that maybe a quarter to two fifths of American voters would agree with that to a significant extent. I wish it were less, but I’m afraid it isn’t.

    Suarez’s attitude is a lot like the Tea Party’s. It’s basically, “I’ve gotten mine, so shut the fuck up, asshole.” There is a large class of voters in the US that is motivated by an abject and purposeful disregard for the commonweal, often including a contempt for equal protection under the law. The voices of these asshats are amplified by American voter turnout patterns, since turnout is positively correlated with home ownership and income.

    This is very serious political dysfunction that severely undermines the rule of law and public safety. This is why there’s a silver lining to police brutality cases such as the UC Davis pepper-spraying assault. Incidents like that scare the hell out of middle-class voters because they can see themselves being the targets. They realize that police brutality is no longer just a threat to other (i.e., darker and poorer) people.

    Re: capn_amurka #35:

    I voted against Measure O, a public safety tax levy in Eureka, CA, for a similar reason. I saw absolutely no way to rein in the Eureka Police Department other than to cut its size until its officers were too busy responding to service calls to harass peaceable citizens.

  50. #50 |  CHRISC | 

    regarding the SWAT officer. Wow. Just wow.

  51. #51 |  dsmallwood | 

    #23 | David | June 22nd, 2012 at 1:28 pm
    @#13

    Thanks for stalking me, creepy dude.

    i know #34 called it out already, but i gotta laugh. “creepy dude?!?” that’s way to funny.

  52. #52 |  Deoxy | 

    Suarez’s attitude is a lot like the Tea Party’s. It’s basically, “I’ve gotten mine, so shut the fuck up, asshole.” There is a large class of voters in the US that is motivated by an abject and purposeful disregard for the commonweal, often including a contempt for equal protection under the law.

    Actually, I’d say you have that just exactly backwards.

    After decades of people claiming to do things “For the Children ™” and “for the public good” while actually undermining the rule of law to benefit themselves, championing actual equality under the law and actual public good would have to start with getting the charlatans out… you know, the ones who claim to do everything for the common good.

    So yeah, if you only listen to what is said (and especially if you believe one side over the other), then yeah, you’re going to think the side you don’t believe is evil incarnate.

    If you listen to both sides and believe that they are both acting in good faith, then you you can only get to the point of “serious policy disagreement about how to best implement the common good”.

    In other words, the only way you believe what you said about the Tea Party is by simply ascribing to them what you believe about them with no regard for what they say or do.

    Disagree all you want, but at least do so in good faith, eh?

  53. #53 |  AlgerHiss | 

    The Peru, Indiana city website:

    http://www.cityofperu.org/

    The Chamber of Commerce:

    http://www.miamicochamber.com/

  54. #54 |  AlgerHiss | 

    Regarding the third grader being TSA’d, I’m beginning to think some in the public education system actually get off on sexualizing kids.

    From strip searches to the plethora of sexual propagandizing and pseudo-educating on sex, someone tell me why I’m nuts to think these educrats excite themselves by getting kids all lathered up on their discovery of human pleasure.

  55. #55 |  Bergman | 

    With regards to that SWAT fascist, I would submit that the same logic that applies the phrase “I would rather be judged by twelve than carried by six” to firearms, applies equally to claymore mines.

    Yeah, one guy with an M4 vs ten guys with M4s is a losing proposition. A judicious application of “front toward enemy” can deal with hundreds of attackers, not merely ten.

  56. #56 |  Chris Mallory | 

    Andrew Roth, you are so correct. Keeping the fruits of your labors and demanding government live within it’s means is exactly like out of control government employees shooting the innocent and firebombing houses.

  57. #57 |  Charlie Potts | 

    Props for linking to Matthew Yglesias. I tend to disagree with him a lot, but he has some very unusual ideas and approaches to problems that I don’t see other places. (Sort of like Pauline Kael who was a great writer and thinker and often wrong, IMHO, about the quality of many movies.)

  58. #58 |  CapnMidori | 

    Re: seen isle

    Actually, I would suggest that Radley doesn’t like anti-zionism because racist as fuck.

  59. #59 |  CapnMidori | 

    *because it’s

  60. #60 |  Andrew S. | 

    Seriously. Did someone post a link here from Stormfront?

  61. #61 |  Personanongrata | 

    •Inside the mind of a former Santa Monica SWAT officer. TL;DR version: If you don’t want to be raided and possibly killed by a SWAT team, don’t be poor.

    Gabe Suarez is a turd stain on the underpants of humanity.

    His depraved ideology needs to be exorcised from law enforcement like dog shit from the sole of my shoe.

    Gabe Suarez and those of his ilk are domestic terrorists operating under state sanction.

  62. #62 |  bbartlog | 

    It’s not unprecedented for the far right and black nationalists to make common cause. See e.g. http://www.anthonyflood.com/rockwellelijah.htm – George Lincoln Rockwell and Malcolm X found common ground. Not *really* that surprising, since they see the world through similar lenses even if their chosen team is different.

  63. #63 |  Curt | 

    RE: SWAT asshole…

    I wonder what Cheye Calvo thinks of his suggestions.

  64. #64 |  a_random_guy | 

    SWAT: “Notice that I have not even gotten into the “right or wrong” discussion. Why not? Because it is not relevant.”

    This. This is the problem. Any police officer for whom “right or wrong” do not enter into their calculations is in the wrong profession – has become a thugs wearing a badge.

  65. #65 |  Yizmo Gizmo | 

    “SWAT asshole…”

    Isn’t that redundant?

  66. #66 |  celticdragonchick | 

    Regarding the SWAT officer’s advice…

    The problem is not that what he’s saying is wrong. The problem is that we as a country don’t see a problem with the fact that, actually, he’s right.

    Exactly. That is what horrifies me. His whole:
    “We will win if we have to blow up your house and kill you and everyone with you…ten bullets in your chest makes no difference to me”

    … attitude made me want to wash my hands.

    Worse, there are millions of Americans who agree with him.

  67. #67 |  celticdragonchick | 

    Hmm…

    Looks like our crazy ex SWAT guy did a year in the can for workers comp fraud. His wife get a little time for it also.

    http://www.tacticalforums.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000326.html

  68. #68 |  Yizmo Gizmo | 

    “Looks like our crazy ex SWAT guy did a year in the can for workers comp fraud”

    No wonder he’s so fucking pissed.

  69. #69 |  Linda | 

    Attempted Puppycide- No home alarm system for me. Not worth the risk. I have lost count of how many family dogs have been shot by police investigationg alarms.

  70. #70 |  Yizmo Gizmo | 

    BTW What are convicted felons doing with large weapons?

  71. #71 |  a_random_guy | 

    Yizmo: read the comments in that 2001 article about his conviction. There are a couple of genuinely insightful ones. In particular:

    “Can’t wait to see if he tries to teach Weapon Tactics now that he’s a convicted felon. Or tries to spin it that technically he isn’t in Ownership/Posession of it, merely demonstrating it’s application.”

    So…who knows how he’s getting around it, but people were immediately speculating that he might.

    More generally, I was pleased to see this comment:

    “We don’t need people like that in our profession. The masses judge us on the acts of a small minority within our profession, and it makes it hard for the rest of us out there working hard and doing a good job.”

  72. #72 |  PermaLurker | 

    About the Alzheimer’s patient: I live in Indiana and Miller’s Merry Manor is a franchised nursing home in the area. It is also a commonly held opinion that they are horrible horrible places; places where you send your aged relatives to kick the can ASAP so they can stop being a pain in the butt. So yeah, incompetent staff calling the popo to taze their patients is perfectly in line with their reputationl.

  73. #73 |  James Pricer | 

    That first article is by a guy named Gabe Suarez. His books on self-defense with a shotgun and a pistol talk about how you will need to be prepared to kill someone if they have long hair because the long hair proves they are trying to kill you. He was fired from the tactical defense school where he use to work.

  74. #74 |  StrangeOne | 

    After all the stuff that’s been dug up on the SWATzi (love that phrase btw) I would almost guess that it was a set up. As if someone tried to find the most repugnant loud mouth of an ex SWAT officer they could give an interview to just to deliberately make them all look bad.

    But then I realized it was his own words on his own website. What an ass.

  75. #75 |  Rojo | 

    There’s Anti-Zionism that uses the word Zionist as code word for Jew. That is indeed “racist as fuck.”

    Then there’s real Anti-Zionism, which is opposed to a political ideology that says a bunch of Europeans can go into Palestine, steal most of it from it’s indigenous population, herd most of that population into Bantustans, and treat the others that managed to remain in “Israel proper” as second class citizens. It is this real Anti-Zionism that is actually opposed to racism.

  76. #76 |  demize! | 

    #64 that’s total bullshit you’re either politically naive or disingenuous, which is it. I didn’t include asshole for the benefit of the doubt. Fucking call me a rascist…

  77. #77 |  Yo Gabba | 

    Strip search an elementary school student for $20? Sounds more like an elaborate ploy for a pedophile to live out his fantasies to me. Makes me think that prison reform might not be all it’s cracked up to be: http://lawblog.legalmatch.com/2012/06/22/prisons-releasing-older-inmates/

  78. #78 |  james sr | 

    Here’s one for the books out of Washington State in Clark County.

    Citizens Criminal Complaint filed in Clark County
    http://safeaccessnow.org/punbb/viewtopic.php?id=9722

    IF the court finds probable cause these crimes was committed by these individuals and also recuses the entire prosecutors office. This will make some historic findings in Clark County as this one did here: http://www.kptv.com/story/15688178/major-drug

    Historic wise that is.

  79. #79 |  JAY BEE | 

    Rearding Gabe Suarez,
    There is so much in these comments thats completely wrong I dont know where to start.
    1. Hes not a SWAT member. He was years ago. He is in private industry now running a firearms training school and group of instructors. (I have taken classes from them for full disclosure)
    2. He is not a felon. His charges were not felony charges and he currently is a licensed level 3 firearms manufacturer.
    3. He is not a badge licker and I have seen many occasions on his site where he dials the “cops can do no wrong” types in.
    4. Many of you are not catching the meaning of his statement “right or wrong is irrelevant”. He is not saying that as a general statement. Its in the context of the mindset of a SWAT team. The SWAT team do not care about right or wrong when they line up on your door. He is not saying that HE does not care about the right or wrong its just the reality of that particular situation makes it irrelevant. Think of Clint Eastwoods line form Unforgiven “deservings got nothing to do with it”
    5. His suggestions about avoiding a SWAT raid are fact in as much as they at least reduce your chance of getting raided. If you notice in the article he does mention the militarization of the departments. At worst he brushes over the increasing number of suburban SWAT raids for mundane reasons.

    He is not a SWAT team appologist police can do no wrong type. He was on the receiving end of what corrupt departments can do. He admits he did things he is not proud of while an officer and credits his religious conversion for seeing the error of those actions.
    Above all he is a business man that looks out for friends and family.

    I have taken classes from his instructors and they are good honest men. There is no arrogance. There is no message. Its politically agnostic and is all focused on self defense. Its realistic about violence and the after effects. Its not psycho roid raging cop worship.

  80. #80 |  CapnMidori | 

    #81| It’s 2012. Using phrases like “anti-Zionism” is probably going to get you labeled a racist because of its close ties to antisemitism (for a crash course, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Zionism#Anti-Zionism_and_antisemitism). Radley does well to separate his criticism for the US support of an oppressive state from that sort of sentiment. Coaching opinions in the terms of antisemites will do little to avoid people calling you a racist. Especially when you seem to be likening Radley’s reasonable criticism to the extreme opinions of David Duke. Who happens to be racist as fuck.

  81. #81 |  CapnMidori | 

    #80| Word, it’s just the really poor choice of wording that got me. Also the fact that he/she seemed to be defending David Duke in a round about “Yeah, but you believe similar things (re: the Israeli state)” sort of way. The nuance/subtext was what rubbed me the wrong way.

  82. #82 |  demize! | 

    well I dont need a crash course Zionism is Rascism and if you cant see that in 2012 than I have a label for you.

  83. #83 |  JSL | 

    Gabe Suarez, saved by the voice of God…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=YaKgjDpcQMU

  84. #84 |  Other Sean | 

    #84,

    Yeah Zionism is definitely a unique and crazy theory. Because the idea that Jews belong in the land of Israel is totally different from all the other arbitrary claims of sovereignty made up by stationary bandits throughout history. It’s not at all like the idea that Bulgarians belong in Thrace, or that Portuguese belong in Brazil, or that Muslims belong in Bosnia & Herzegovina. Those are perfectly valid cases of migration and settlement. It’s just the Jews who are morally wrong for ending up where they are on the map.

    And hey, it’s not like anyone else had to change political boundaries around or after 1945. It’s not like the Poles, the Germans, the Chinese, the Hindus, the Pakistanis, the British and French Colonials, the Koreans, the Japanese all had to shag ass and adjust to new borders. It’s not like half of Europe, half of Asia, and most of Africa had to undergo dramatic political changes after the war.

    No, the Palestinian situation is truly a one-of-a-kind predicament brought about by racist Jews.

    Demize…it doesn’t matter if it’s 2012 or any other year; that’s just bullshit.

  85. #85 |  demize! | 

    Yeah they “just ended up” there. Keep telling yourself fairy tales smartguy. You’re a lightweight, salting the stew with endless irrelevant examples doesnt make Zionism any less racist than it is and has been from its inception. But since when has “they did it” so we can too been an excuse for anything. Didnt work when I was a kid. And That is EXACTLY what it is, though the imperialist powers had something to do with it too. And comparing ancient ethnic and political migrations and territorial questions over millenia, to an interloping Ethno-Nationalist entitie that has no set borders, no non Religio-Ethnic citizenship designation, that is inherently expansive and aggressive, and is currently carrying out ethnic cleansing in Jerusalem and The WB. and that ws created out of whole cloth in 1948 floats yer boat, than go head with your racist self. He how many of those examples currently hold over one million people in a big concentration camp called Gaza? If you think hey this is my team so its all good than you reconsider your libertarianism sport. If your something else well than you just keep shuffling through life as a dipshit.

  86. #86 |  Other Sean | 

    Demize,

    Okay there, guy who just embarrassingly lost his cool. Tell me two things:

    1) Which nations around the world are legitimately occupying their land and which are racist invaders? I’d love to see you try to assemble a logically consistent list.

    2) What year marks the cutoff after which all national boundaries should have been frozen in place? Was it 1947? 1066? BC 350? I’d love to know.

  87. #87 |  demize! | 

    I tend to get emotional about stuff like this, you know bullies and injustice are kinda sore spots for me.Doesn’t embarrass me one iota, sorry if you are. 1)Any Colonial entity, though varying by degree, The US. Canada, Australia, South Africa.etc. However those States currently dont have Defacto and DeJure Ethno-Religious apartheid statues as policy,though there is obviously plenty of defacto racism and discrimination. 2) most nations have set boundries in the modern era, if not the world stage would be a cauldron of irrendentism. So if you feel states should be ethnically pure or whatever than look at The Balkans this is what youre advocating. The modern state is defined by citizenship not ethnicity or religion those are anachronistic determinants of nominal residency, essentially fascist. But Im an anarchist and dont like the concept of the state at all. If you like the idea of Derry or Belfast than you’ll love Jerusalem.

  88. #88 |  winston smith | 

    # 80 +1

  89. #89 |  Other Sean | 

    Demize,

    When an anarchist looks at a political map, he should see nothing but a web of lies spun from clotted blood. He should not say “this is the land of the people with red hair”, or “here is the place that belongs to those with wide noses and dark skin”. And he definitely should not say “these people who have mixed their labor with the land for 60 years are racists who don’t belong.”

    Those are the words of a statist – and not just any statist, but the really awful Wilsonian type of racial statist.

    The reason why you and I are still alive to sit here exchanging thoughts like this is simple: after the last great orgy of violence ended in 1945, many people on this earth made one modestly intelligent decision.

    They decided to move on and leave their last grudge unfulfilled. They decided not to avenge the lines of the old map. The Germans didn’t sacrifice their kids to get back Prussia, the Japanese didn’t detonate themselves for the sake of the Kuril Islands, the British said “to hell with honor and glory”, the South Koreans said “we won’t fight for the map, but we will fight against it. Leave us alone”.

    The most miserable places on earth today are precisely the ones where people didn’t move on. The places where everyone’s dreams still begin and end with some redrawing of the map – North Korea, Gaza, Central Africa, and until recently as you noted, Northern Ireland. But if there is one people who wins the all-around trophy for bitter and crushingly self-destructive refusal to move on, it has to be the Arabs in their relationship to Israel.

    If the Israelis are racist for claiming a piece of the Levant as their own, then so are the Palestiniains. Everyone who claims any land for his tribe qua tribe is equally racist. There is no such thing as non-racist nationalism.

    As an anarchist, all I want is for those nationalists to shut up and stop trying to kill me. I reject categorically any argument of the form “one more war and then peace” or “one more forced resettlement and then friendship.” Because to me that’s just the sound of two gangsters arguing over who gets to extort what territory.

    The only question an anarchist should ask in the now is: If I had to live in a Jewish Israel or an Arab Palestine, where would I have a better existence? No matter who you are, there’s only one answer to that question.

  90. #90 |  CyniCAl | 

    “If you don’t want to be raided and possibly killed by a SWAT team, don’t be poor.”

    While it is crass, with very rare exceptions, it happens to be the truth.

  91. #91 |  Other Sean | 

    CyniCAL,

    A similar thought occurred to me. If someone arguing against SWAT raids had noted “the risk of such raids is massively concentrated among the poor”, that would have been taken as a non-controversial statement of fact.

    But when Swatzi McDouchenozzle says it with that attitude of cheery approval, it becomes a revolting glimpse into the world of free-fire-zone ghetto policing.

  92. #92 |  Boyd Durkin | 

    If I had to live in a Jewish Israel or an Arab Palestine, where would I have a better existence? No matter who you are, there’s only one answer to that question.

    Ain’t no crazy like a Middle East crazy ’cause the Middle East crazies don’t stop.

  93. #93 |  anon | 

    ^ #77 | PermaLurker

    “Miller’s Merry Manor,” really? name sounds like something out of a horror movie

  94. #94 |  Andrew Roth | 

    Re: Jay Bee #84:

    Even if Suarez isn’t as bad as his critics claim, his essay that Radley linked to is still vile. What Suarez wrote speaks for itself.

    Your point about his being a former, not current, SWAT member is not well taken. I’d say it’s a straw man since Suarez’s history as a former Santa Monica cop has been extensively discussed on this thread. In his essay, Suarez himself used his old SWAT assignment as a way to assert special expertise, a convenient way of implying that he knows how things work and how things should work on SWAT teams and outsiders don’t. I’m not convinced that he was intellectually dishonest in how he presented this, but I’m not convinced that he was intellectually honest, either.

    The fact that Suarez served as a SWAT officer in Santa Monica, of all places, is disturbing. Santa Monica has a reputation for being more skeptical of the police than most cities, and yet Suarez’s attitude is terrible on a SWAT team. I don’t see how someone with such open, unabashed class bias can be reasonably trusted to enforce the law equally without regard to socioeconomic status. Police officers need to find ways to keep their personal bigotries in check when they’re on the job. This is particularly true of SWAT officers, whose explicit duties include standoffs with armed and dangerous suspects and negotiations with hostage-takers. Regardless of their personal opinions, SWAT officers need to be on their game during deployments.

    Your claim about SWAT officers having no need to care about right or wrong is bullshit. Good commanders make sure that their SWAT hires have exquisite judgment, including the judgment to know when not to use force. A good SWAT team will take into account the nature of the suspects it is confronting and adjust its strategy accordingly. It will not reflexively shoot the joint up and hogtie the survivors as Suarez blithely encourages.

    This is another way of saying that most SWAT teams in the United States are terrible. Offhand, the only ones I would describe as good are LAPD SWAT and NYPD ESU, although there are probably some others, most likely in the big cities. Rural and small-town SWAT teams seem to be truly awful, as do many of their host agencies.

    There is a huge difference between a good SWAT team and the undisciplined thugs that Suarez celebrates.

  95. #95 |  Andrew Roth | 

    On a related note, I’d be interested to hear from any LAPD SWAT or Metro Division officers following this thread, or any unsuccessful applicants to these divisions, about whether someone with Suarez’s attitude and background would be a viable LAPD SWAT candidate, how long he would last if promoted, etc. Likewise, I’d be interested to hear from officers or failed applicants at SWAT or equivalent units in other agencies where the commanders make a real effort to promote good cops rather than goons.

    Like many shitty SWAT cops, Suarez sounds like he’s piggybacking on the reputations of good SWAT officers on well-disciplined teams. This is a big problem at the agency level, too. The industry standard seems to be to copy the outward form of LAPD SWAT but disregard all of the substance, so that instead of promoting the quick-witted and the fit, commanders promote any stupid and violent man who feels like committing felony assault against those he dislikes.

  96. #96 |  Other Sean | 

    Andrew,

    With respect, anytime someone starts talking about “good commanders” and “well-disciplined teams” using “exquisite judgment”, I get nervous…because I hear the old familiar argument that “X will work once we get the right people in charge.”

    If a system depends on having the right people, it’s a bad system. Really it’s not a system at all, just an irresponsible wish. If the US has 257 bad SWAT teams with 3 good ones, then we shouldn’t hesitate to get rid of the lot. In fact, we’d be within our rights to assume those 3 “good” SWAT teams were probably just lucky enough never to get caught dirty.

    Personally, I’ve known members from a few different teams. I found them all to be similar young men, uniformly indoctrinated into a sub-culture of swaggering machismo and casual brutality. Individually they seemed normal enough, but in a group they quickly started to make people around them very uncomfortable. (And in their off-duty conduct with women, they made the Mongols Motorcycle Club look like a league of polite gentlemen.)

    There was no trace of Athens in those boys, just a massively romanticized overdose of Sparta.

  97. #97 |  demize! | 

    “The only question an anarchist should ask in the now is: If I had to live in a Jewish Israel or an Arab Palestine, where would I have a better existence? No matter who you are are, there’s only one answer to that question..” Yes I would choose the single State of Palestine where all are welcome as equals regardless of their Religion or Ethnicity, the arrangement prior to the mandate. all”f the Israelis are racist for claiming a piece of the Levant as their own, then so are the Palestiniains. Everyone who claims any land for his tribe qua tribe is equally racist. There is no such thing as non-racist nationalism. As an anarchist, all” This is idiocy the Palestinians are the indegenes. You need to brush up on your history as well as ethics. @othersean

  98. #98 |  demize! | 

    “The only question an anarchist should ask in the now is: If I had to live in a Jewish Israel or an Arab Palestine, where would I have a better existence? No matter who you are are, there’s only one answer to that question..” Yes I would choose the single State of Palestine where all are welcome as equals regardless of their Religion or Ethnicity, the arrangement prior to the mandate. all”f the Israelis are racist for claiming a piece of the Levant as their own, then so are the Palestiniains. Everyone who claims any land for his tribe qua tribe is equally racist. There is no such thing as non-racist nationalism. As an anarchist, all” This is idiocy the Palestinians are the indegenes. You need to brush up on your history as well as ethics. @othersean

  99. #99 |  demize! | 

    Sorry my phone went haywire, But since you’re big on moving on I will settle in your house @othersean I may let you reside in the attic and your wife and kids in the basement. Ill maintain a checkpoint in the middle and determine when and if I let you out and what commodities go in. This will be honky dory yes? As you seem to think we should just be moving on. Dont confuse the construct of the “state” with land these are two different animals.

  100. #100 |  Other Sean | 

    Demize,

    That’s just it, brother. If you don’t set any arbitrary limits to the time scale, there are no indigenous people anywhere (except maybe Kenya or the Kurgan steppe).

    Every place on earth has been stolen from somebody. Most places have been stolen several times in recorded history alone. Most of the people who ever lived have been stolen from, by their own governing bandits, if not by others.

    So what gives one group special status because their claim of wounded pride and land theft happens to date from the year 1947? The only thing remotely unique about the Palestinian story is that their charge of soil stealing is directed against the Jews.
    ______________________________________________________________________________
    Also, you wrote: “Yes I would choose the single State of Palestine where all are welcome as equals regardless of their Religion or Ethnicity, the arrangement prior to the mandate.”

    Now that is truly hilarious, because if there’s one thing the Arab world has always been big on, it’s equality.

  101. #101 |  Other Sean | 

    Demize 103,

    You got that wrong. Your logic doesn’t let you seize my house from me. It demands that we BOTH surrender our homes to someone else – in my case, the most likely claimants would be Cherokee.

  102. #102 |  demize! | 

    Dude I would say continously residency for over 2000 years is pretty frigging indigenous. In fact this is without going into the ethno-anthropology that shows the Palestiniains as the original Jewish population converted to Islam and Christianity. But your utter chauvinism is apparent, have you not heard of Al Andalus? My Saphardic ancestors did quite well there, not too good after the reconquista. You know The Inquisition DUNDUNDUN! Aside from your chauvinism your knowledge of Levantine culture is also lacking as Palestine was completely culturally and religiously mixed and tolerant under The Ottoman Empire and before. In fact the entire Arabic world had huge Jewish populations. These thousands of years of Jewish-Arabic cultures were sacrificed on the alter of Herzl and Weitzmann not to mention Jabotinsky and Begin.

  103. #103 |  demize! | 

    PS. mine would be Algonquin. I don’t see thousands of them lining up at checkpoints each morning to get permits to work in Manhattan. You see what I’m saying here?

  104. #104 |  Duncan20903 | 

    In 2010 more than 22% of the homicides in Vermont were committed by persons with dementia. Their victims were other persons with dementia.
    http://vtdigger.org/2011/08/07/report-homicides-point-to-elder-abuse-as-a-more-common-problem/

  105. #105 |  el coronado | 

    Hey, quick little question for ya, demize -

    If “palestine” is the idyllic wonderland of peace and tolerance that you’re (mendaciously) claiming it is, why then do whichever bunch of thugs that run the place – first fatah, now hamas? – why is it they drag their fellow brother “palestinians” out into the street and shoot them in broad daylight for the unforgivable, heinous “crime” of…….selling land or structures to a Jew??

    Why is that, hmmmm? Doesn’t sound all that peaceful or religiously idyllic, does it. In fact, it kinda makes what you’ve been saying sound…let us be charitable, here….sound *incorrect*, don’t it.

    Also, before you reflexively squawk that all that is a “Jew lie”, google the phrase ‘palestinians killed for selling land to Jews” and explain to me how such a “lie” could rack up _10.6 million_ results? Jew Black Magic? Jewish control of the media? Might it be Obama’s fault somehow??

  106. #106 |  Other Sean | 

    Demize,

    You can’t be all bad – your “Inquisition DUNDUNDUN” comment worked both as a Monty Python reference and a musical cue to Mel Brooks.

    Unfortunately your college professors sold you a load of nonsense about “tolerance” in the medieval caliphate. They were actually just trying to smear the West, but to do that I guess they didn’t mind flattering some various undeserving parties in the bargain.

    Know what it was like to be a Jew under the Islamic empire? It sucked. Know what it was like to be a Muslim under the the Islamic empire? It sucked. Know what it was like to be any kind of individual human being under any kind of cultural or political system until very, very, recently? It sucked.

    Israel is one of a very few places on earth that only half sucks today.

    And you said it yourself: even with all its faults, Israel is still the place where thousands of Palestinians want to go for work.

    Think what might happen if they could only stop their brothers and cousins from trying to blow the place up! Those checkpoints and bulldozers would be gone in three years. It wasn’t easy making a nation of hardliners out of Jewish people. It took a lot of idiotic violence in the name of honor and of Allah to do that. It could be undone very easily. The Palestinians don’t even need to move away physically. They just need to move on.

  107. #107 |  Boyd Durkin | 

    Israel is one of a very few places on earth that only half sucks today.

    Because there’s an objective measure for these things. The myside bias of Israelis is equaled only by that of every other statist of the world.

  108. #108 |  Other Sean | 

    Boyd,

    You’re right. There is no objective measure for these things. There is something much better than that: a complex set of SUBJECTIVE measures, as expressed in the choices of real life human beings.

    When people in large numbers decide they want out of one place and into another, that’s measure enough for me. It’s not my right to tell them they’re mistaken.

    Israel is one of the places people are trying to get into – even the people who believe Israel is inherently biased against them, are trying to find work there. That says something about the surrounding area, to be sure, but it says a lot about Israel, too.

  109. #109 |  CyniCAl | 

    #96 | Other Sean — “CyniCAL, A similar thought occurred to me. If someone arguing against SWAT raids had noted “the risk of such raids is massively concentrated among the poor”, that would have been taken as a non-controversial statement of fact. But when Swatzi McDouchenozzle says it with that attitude of cheery approval, it becomes a revolting glimpse into the world of free-fire-zone ghetto policing.”

    First, Sean, let me compliment you on your style … I find it witty, entertaining and all other similar adjectives. This blog is better for your presence in the comments. You really should write your own blog too, I would read it.

    Second, I obviously wasn’t condoning SWAT tactics or SWAT existence, not that you were implying that. I am as anti-state as the suburban bum that I am can be. But it is amahzing how easily some confuse pure statements of reality with support of said reality.

    Third, reality exists, and it exists for a reason. The romanticism of this blog aside, Mencius Moldbug of Unqualified Reservations has proved the necessity of the omnipotent sovereign, as have countless others before him. Where sovereignty is contested, there one finds mass death and destruction, as one finds in present-day Syria and wherever empires border each other. My anarchist self wishes it weren’t so, but humans have a lot of evolving to do before anarchy stops being the dirtiest word.

    In America, sovereignty is uncontested, but the sovereign still finds it useful to demonstrate its power through ultra-violent SWAT teams et. al., just to remind anyone who might contest sovereignty that it’s a bad idea. The police in America are the biggest, baddest gang on the block. And Douchey McDoucheDouche SWAT team roid freak knows it and is just spreading the word via the 1st Amendment. He’s a symptom, not a cause.

    We are all contestants in the SWAT team raid lottery of life, and I hate to admit the possibility, but all Americans might be better off this way rather than have sovereignty contests if the alternative is Syria, Iraq or Afghanistan.

    And if modern policing in American is inevitable, then the privileged wealthy who own this country would simply rather the SWAT teams lavish their attention on the non-wealthy. LOL life. Maybe they’ll be the last to be eaten by the crocodile. Then we can all laugh about it.

    Sorry for the ramble, it’s been a while, keep up the lively commenting.

  110. #110 |  CyniCAl | 

    “I found them all to be similar young men, uniformly indoctrinated into a sub-culture of swaggering machismo and casual brutality.”

    A concise definition of a gang if I ever heard one.

  111. #111 |  Whiplash | 

    That Gabe, he know Violence (according to him)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaKgjDpcQMU&feature=youtu.be&t=2m9s

  112. #112 |  Other Sean | 

    CyniCAL, (thanks first of all for your many kind words)

    “Where sovereignty is contested, there one finds mass death and destruction… my anarchist self wishes it weren’t so, but humans have a lot of evolving to do before anarchy stops being the dirtiest word.”

    The state is definitely one of those animals that becomes more dangerous when wounded.

    Perhaps this proves me a hypocrite, but if a mass anarchist movement poured out into the streets tomorrow, I wouldn’t join it. As you point out, we are not ready. At best, we might end up with 1793. At worst, it would be the Paris Commune meets Phnom Penh.

    Unlike everyone else around me, I never got excited about the so-called Arab Spring. I still cannot believe how many people remain blind to the creeping menace of those events. When I see the crowds in Syria I think: “There goes a mob of people who’ve never heard of subjective utility or public choice, never read Animal Farm or Nineteen-Eighty-Four, never watched an atheist debate a rabbi on Youtube. Any society they manage to build will be a prolific exporter of human misery.”

    Speaking of Orwell, I’m always haunted by this description of the resistance: “They are not an organization in the sense we know. Nothing holds it together but an idea. There is no possibility of change in their lifetime. In the face of the thought police, they cannot act collectively. ”

    He was wrong about that. It turns out the regular police are quite enough to keep us where we are. For insecure people terrified of drifting away from the safety of consensus, well…the thoughts mostly just police themselves.

  113. #113 |  Frank Hummel | 

    I just spent the last 15 min reading thru this thread especially the “Palestine” issue. Let’s all get back to earth here and admit that land belongs to whomever is able and willing to defend it. It’s always been like that and it shall always be.

    There’s always gonna be some bleeding heart that sheds tears for some tribe/people/group which faded into the darkness of history because they were not strong or adaptable enough to survive. It happened to the Egyptians and the Mayans. It’s gonna even happen to the US someday (not today). Live with it, adapt and survive…

  114. #114 |  JAY BEE | 

    Andrew
    You didnt get my point about him being former SWAT. The consensus here seems to be once a cop always a cop or once a SWAT always a SWAT. Sorry I dont buy that bullshit. I believe the man is honest when he speaks about his conversion. Does that mean he sees eye to eye with many on this site? No he is not a reformed anti-cop cop but he is not a badge licker either.
    You also are reading into my words the exact same thing you read into his. I didnt say the SWAT team does not NEED to be thinking about right or wrong. I said they DONT! Thats completely different. Thats exactly how he put it as well. What he is telling you in this peice is
    “hey back in my bad old days I worked with these guys, I know how they are thinking when they stack up on your door. They dont care if you are innocent or guilty, they dont care if you have rights on not. All they care about is getting you in cuffs”
    Hes not telling you he thinks thats a good thing. Hes telling you its how it is.
    You can think he is being too harsh on the poor….fine whatever but you cant deny his advice on reducing your odds of a raid is not valid.
    I just think most of you saw “former SWAT officer” and got spun up about it. I think you are reading too much into it.

  115. #115 |  World’s Strangest | Thanks for Clearing That Up | 

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  116. #116 |  demize! | 

    @el coranado I don’t care if there are ten billion hits on Google, that’s like pointing me to a Wikipedia article about a controversial occurrence, not real helpful or verifiable. But that’s beside the fact Gaza is a closed entity, West Bank is behind the wall, and except for settlements, both “illegal” “legal” and outposts. So as for Arabs selling thier land lol, fucking Israelis just take it, declare it a closed military zone.. And don’t give me this ‘joo lie” shit I already intimated that I am one which I shouldn’t have to or like to do because it doesn’t matter. And @othersean I didn’t go to college so don’t go constructing an entire straw persona for me. What baffles me is why people who consistently stick up for the unarmed, assaulted underdog stop doing so in this one case. But this shit ain’t going nowhere #sigh

  117. #117 |  demize! | 

    “If “palestine” is the idyllic wonderland of peace and tolerance that you’re (mendaciously) claiming it is, why then do whichever bunch of thugs that run the place –first fatah, now hamas?” I think you better go back to Google marine because FATAH runs the West Bank under Abbas and HAMAS runs Gaza nominally at this current time.

  118. #118 |  demize! | 

    But you gotta love how the non aggression principle and property rights just go right out the window when its the wrong kind of people asserting them.

  119. #119 |  Z | 

    #102: “Yes I would choose the single State of Palestine where all are welcome as equals regardless of their Religion or Ethnicity, the arrangement prior to the mandate.”

    Ummm….. 1) The British went out of their way to minimize Jewish presence in Palestine. 2) The grand Mufti of Jerusalem shacked up with Hitler specifically to keep it that way, since dead Jews don’t migrate.

  120. #120 |  demize! | 

    @Z you seriously dont know wtf your talking about. Do like I do when people are discussing nuclear physics and stfu. Then went out of there way when the Irgun blew up the King David Hotel, The British High Command HQ? UMMMMM. The Balfour Agreement? Dude just shut up.

  121. #121 |  Other Sean | 

    Demize,

    You wondered: “What baffles me is why people who consistently stick up for the unarmed, assaulted underdog stop doing so in this one case.”

    Be baffled no more: those of us who didn’t arbitrarily start the clock in 1947 (or 1917 if you prefer) recognize the Jews as the most assaulted and least armed underdogs in the known history of the world. The fact that they’ve been armed for the last few milliseconds of geologic time doesn’t change that, and doesn’t distress me a bit.
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    You also wrote: “But you gotta love how the non aggression principle and property rights just go right out the window when its the wrong kind of people asserting them.”

    This too is simple: we don’t believe in unilateral non-aggression, only in non-aggression pacts. And no one ever made a reliable non-aggression pact with the Jews before, so there was no agreement or principle for them to violate when they started building the Jewish state.

    You fundamentally misunderstand the origin of property rights. From a libertarian and especially an anarcho-capitalistic perspective, the Palestinian tribes didn’t own that land any more than the Queen of England legitimately owns Buckingham Palace. They had one collectivist tribal claim, the Jews had another. Since both of those claims are equally silly and illegitimate, it comes down to homesteading. And in that respect no one can deny that the Jewish claim proved to be vastly superior.

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  123. #123 |  Omri | 

    “In fact the entire Arabic world had huge Jewish populations. ”

    Know where they are today? Know why? They were not “sacrificed on the altar of Hertzl.” They suffered discrimination and brutal violence from the Arab Muslim populations, decided “fuck this” and left en masse. Just one more reason why your ideological blinders are making you particularly unable to grasp what’s happening in the Middle East.

  124. #124 |  demize! | 

    I’m arguing with uninformed dolts who’s concept of history comes from the back of a cereal box. If you choose to believe hasbara and myths that’s on you. But Google The USS.. Liberty. All you fine patriots and see what this plucky little shithole does to its allies then look. Up The Lavon Affair and then Sabra and Shatila and then Deir Yassin and then just keep on and then learn were the Jews were given refuge during the crusades and The Inquisition.

  125. #125 |  Omri | 

    First to use insults loses the argument. Nice going, demize. And for the record, my concept of history comes from living in the middle of it.

  126. #126 |  Other Sean | 

    Omri,

    I think Demize comes from the school of thought which holds that wretchedness and righteousness are the same thing.

    If the Jews of the world were still acting like helpless victims, I’m sure he’d have no trouble with them.

    If the Arab world ever stopped wallowing in superstition, prejudice, misogyny, tyranny, and vengeance, I’m sure he’d lose whatever sympathy he has misplaced there.

  127. #127 |  Deoxy | 

    Stop feeding the troll. Demize has decided on the set of facts in the world in his head, and nothing we say will change them. Please stop trying.

    Demize: I’ve done a LOT of looking into the Israel/Palestine thing, checking first sources whenever possible. You making making wild and ridiculous claims about how racist everyone is for not going along with the intended genocide of the Jews is not going to change my mind (or the mind of anyone else here) any more than us showing you real world evidence will change yours.

    But, since I’m stubborn to the point of stupidity:
    -Every nation in the middle east has a sizable (or larger) portion of Arab citizens (including Israel). Only one has more than a tiny handful of Jews, and most have absolutely none. This did not happen by accident.
    -Jordan and other neighboring nations actually made it illegal for Palestinian Arabs (and in come cases, even their descendants) to become citizens of those nations. Israel has Palestinian citizens. The “permanent refuge camps” in Gaza and the West Bank are there because the neighboring countries found it politcally useful to create them.
    -Israel has offered the contested lands to its foes on more than one occasion with the simple terms of “stop trying to kill us”. Hamas (and other groups) have founding and controlling documents stating that their intent and reason for existence is to kill the Jews.
    -If given the power to kill all the Jews in Israel, which Arab group would not use it? Israel HAS and HAS HAD FOR SOME TIME the power to kill ALL the Palestinians, if they so desired, and they have not done so.

    I could go on. No, I don’t AT ALL expect to convince you. I would appreciate it, though, if you would respect us enough to not call US racists for looking at carefully and thoroughly gathered facts and making decisions without account for race.

  128. #128 |  el coronado | 

    Aw, c’mon, we can’t leave the troll with a reasonable and ciivil denouement – what fun would that be??

    Here, lemme try. Ahhh, Jordan! Prosperous and Gentle Land of nectar and honey, long populated by the followers of the prophet, and thus presumably well-schooled in the sacred islamic tenets of peace and charity and brotherhood, especially towards their fellow moslems.

    So why is it that Jordan killed more palestinians in one ‘black’ September than Israel has in 60+ years? How is that? More to the point, WHY did Jordan feel the need to kill 20,000 of their peaceful and tolerant palestinian brethren? Why’d they do that, hmmm?

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