Puppycide Roundup

Tuesday, June 5th, 2012

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25 Responses to “Puppycide Roundup”

  1. #1 |  Mario | 

    In all fairness to the cop who shot the dog while riding his bike, that dog tipped the scales at 20 pounds! That’s the size of a large house cat. What was he supposed to do?

  2. #2 |  Sean | 

    I believe in the puppycide involving the Florence, Texas police chief Julie Elliott-Abshire , only one dog died, the Rhodesian Ridgeback she shot on the porch. The dog she went into the backyard to shoot ran away and was found later, I believe it’s still alive according to an article I read. The Ridgeback was put down by a sheriff’s deputy at the victim’s request.

    There used to be a time in Texas where the locals would say “get a rope!” or run a witch like this out of town — now she’ll probably get a nomination for “Police Chief of The Year.”

  3. #3 |  croaker | 

    Used to be in Texas “he needed killin” was a valid justification…

  4. #4 |  oscar | 

    The second link is actually Virginia and not California.

  5. #5 |  Bad Medicine | 

    If you read some of the earlier stories on the bike-riding cop who shot the dog, the owners had to put up flyers to even figure out who did it.

    So… an officer of the law discharges his firearm and then leaves the scene instead of calling it in, filing a report, etc, and makes the owners track him down? Even if he manages to justify shooting the dog, he should be arrested and never be allowed back on a police force again if he thinks that’s the way to follow up on a shooting…

  6. #6 |  derfel cadarn | 

    In ALL these cases people should be loosing their jobs and going to prison. In the Alabama case thirteen shots were fired in an apartment complex ? First of all these two bozos should be fired because they can’t shoot worth a sahit. Second how does the discharge of this many shots in an inhabited area not constitute reckless endangerment with a firearm with depraved indifference. There was no threat to the officers or the public that warranted this behavior. The primary threat here were the two yahoos in uniform,these two are criminals.

  7. #7 |  Mike T | 

    There used to be a time in Texas where the locals would say “get a rope!” or run a witch like this out of town — now she’ll probably get a nomination for “Police Chief of The Year.”

    Considering how unreasonable her use of force was, I think this is one of those cases where anyone who even defenders her needs to be run out of town as well.

  8. #8 |  Bob Mc | 

    So do I understand correctly that the D.o.J conducted a study of how often dogs are shot by police, but that no such study exists as to how often human citizens are shot by police?

  9. #9 |  marco73 | 

    I think Radley is going to have to subset the Puppycides, into those that just involve the actual dog, and those that include potential harm to bystanders (such as hitting occupied houses, cars, etc).
    Wow, 13 shots to kill 1 dog? Who are those guys, Mr Magoo’s kids?

  10. #10 |  CB | 

    If you want to end the puppycide and save the dogs, just start letting cops shoot humans and get off scot-free (more often). They clearly need another outlet for their hostilities!

  11. #11 |  albatross | 


    There is a report on the BJS website about justifiable homicides by both police and civilians. A summary is here. In general, BJS is a source of a vast amount of unfiltered data, which often completely contradicts the media narrative of the week and received wisdom on all sorts of stuff. (For example, justifiable homicides by civilians are a vanishingly small fraction of total homicides, despite the recent media panic about SYG laws–those laws may be good or bad, but the numbers do not support either a panic, or the notion that thanks to SYG, the streets are full of gun-toting crazies looking to blow someone away and get away with it. And sex offenders have lower re-arrest rates than other criminals, and very low rates of re-arrest for the same crime.).

    Wherever possible, there is a huge amount of value in finding sources of data like this, instead of the media-filtered picture of reality. There are problems with raw data–there may be reasons it’s hard to interpret for non-experts, the agency or organization producing it may be spinning their report or cooking their data to support an agenda. But in practice, you’re probably atleast as good at figuring that stuff out as the average reporter working on deadline, with the outline of the story he’s supposed to write already pretty clear in his mind.

  12. #12 |  Burgers Allday | 

    a new post in my blog:


    it is not puppycide but it does relate to a police dog biting the heck out of a regcit. It has implications for those who would record bad policemen.

  13. #13 |  John C. Randolph | 

    The incompetent cow who shot a round into an occupied building should be behind bars awaiting trial. Her badge isn’t a license to commit felonies at will.


  14. #14 |  John C. Randolph | 

    Used to be in Texas “he needed killin” was a valid justification…

    It still is. It’s basically a justifiable homicide theory, and you have to convince the jury that the person the defendant killed deserved it, which you can do by introducing evidence against the character of the deceased. For example, if you shoot a serial child molester, there’s a decent chance of the jury letting you walk.


  15. #15 |  Murc | 

    I live within walking distance of the puppycide in Monroe County and pass the home in question either in my car or on foot every day, and moreover, I was passing through on the night of the shooting in question.

    What the article leaves out is that, in addition to the shooting, there was a massive and disproportional response from the Sheriff’s department post-shooting. I counted ten cruisers outside the place. That seems quite a lot of police presence even for an especially rowdy house party, if one was occurring. An excessive amount, you might say.

    Almost as if they were trying to be intimidating.

    The Perinton cops were nowhere to be found, sadly. Those guys are almost aggressively reasonable. The County Sheriff’s don’t give a shit.

  16. #16 |  Joseph Stromberg | 

    Er, “with some suggestions on how to reduce their number.”

    What? Arm the dogs?

  17. #17 |  Bill | 

    Burgers (#12), thanks for that link. It would still be interesting to see how many homicides by police do not fall under the “justifiable” category, but parsing the categories might be tricky since there is obviously some bias in whether or not an officer is charged.

    Did you notice the disclaimer at the bottom of the “justifiable homicides” data? “Note: The victims of the 9/11/01 terrorist attacks are not included in this analysis.” How would they be confused with “justifiable homicides”?!?!?

  18. #18 |  albatross | 


    Including 9/11 in any of those statistics is probably misleading, since it was a one-off and arguably more like an act of war than a crime. Murder statistics from the 40s presumably don’t include the sailors who died in the Pearl Harbor attack.

    However, in terms of justifiable homicides, how would including 9/11 matter? The passengers apparently fought with the terrorists, and killing all the terrorists on the plane would be justifiable, but probably not killing eevryone else on the plane. (And I don’t think there is any indication that the passengers wanted to crash the plane–probably it crashed while the terrorists were distracted by the fight, or one of the terrorists intentionally crashed it–neither of those would fit with justeifiable homicide.)

  19. #19 |  Bill | 

    albatross, that’s good logic on the 9/11 thing. The only justifiable killing woudl have been if any of the terrorists on flight 93 would have been killed before the plane crashed. But really, I think they probably put that disclaimer on every page of their statistics, even if in some contexts, like this one, it doesn’t particularly make sense.

  20. #20 |  Whim | 

    Bob Mc and Albatross:

    Another way to look at the U.S. DOJ BJS deaths statistics is thus:

    On average, around 400-500 civilian deaths are reported by police annually while taking custody of the civilians. These are Arrest-Related deaths. This does NOT include jail or prison deaths.

    On average, around 50-60 police die violently in the line-of-duty each year at the hands of civilians, mostly from gunshots. The police association likes to inflate this number by including the additional 150+/- traffic deaths that occur while on duty, frequently due to inattentive driving on the part of the police.

    So, in summary, it is approximately TEN TIMES (10X) more dangerous for a civilian to have a police encounter as it is for the police to have an encounter with a civilian.

    That is a damning statistic about who has the more dangerous avocation: The police (no) or the civilian (yes).

  21. #21 |  Goober | 

    It never ceases to amaze me how mail men, jehovah’s witnesses, electric company meter checkers, and door-to-door salesmen manage to ply their trade without shooting dogs constantly. One wonders how they can possibly pull it off.

    As for the Police Cheif who went into the back yard to hunt down and kill and non-aggressive dog that is in its own yard… Well, here’s hoping that she isn’t a police cheif for much longer.

  22. #22 |  discarted | 

    If only Sgt. Russell Metcalf was in his uniform when he killed that poor dog, he likely would’ve been named Harrisonburg’s cop of the week.

  23. #23 |  Whim | 

    People who show up at houses and shoot the family dogs, often in sight of family members: The Police.

    People who show up to deliver goods or services at residences:

    Mail Carriers, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Utility company meter readersm, Fed-Ex and UPS Deliverymen, Lawn Maintenance personnel, Lawn Care Personnel, Pool Maintenance, and door-to-door salesmen.

    Why aren’t these people shooting the family dog, too?

  24. #24 |  Winston | 

    Dog owners seriously need to start shooting those loose cannons on the spot.

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