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	<title>Comments on: Ministers Against Crime (Except Those Committed by Police Officers)</title>
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	<description>It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do.</description>
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		<title>By: KPR</title>
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		<dc:creator>KPR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2012 00:39:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#11 above ^^

White people, especially those who call themselves conservative or Republican tend to always excuse police abuses UNTIL it is their own body (or that of someone they love) in the crosshairs.  Even in those cases many will excuse the police by stating that the incident was &#039;isolated&#039;.  

And, when they read or hear of police abuse, they excuse it with &#039;oh it&#039;s just a whiney liberal&#039;, or it happened to &#039;gangsters&#039; so it&#039;s OK.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#11 above ^^</p>
<p>White people, especially those who call themselves conservative or Republican tend to always excuse police abuses UNTIL it is their own body (or that of someone they love) in the crosshairs.  Even in those cases many will excuse the police by stating that the incident was &#8216;isolated&#8217;.  </p>
<p>And, when they read or hear of police abuse, they excuse it with &#8216;oh it&#8217;s just a whiney liberal&#8217;, or it happened to &#8216;gangsters&#8217; so it&#8217;s OK.</p>
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		<title>By: Dante</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dante</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 23:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#11
I&#039;m white, and I absolutely hate the police.  How does that fit into your views of white people?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#11<br />
I&#8217;m white, and I absolutely hate the police.  How does that fit into your views of white people?</p>
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		<title>By: Burgers Allday</title>
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		<dc:creator>Burgers Allday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 22:23:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Packratt has posted sort of an equivocal goodby over at the Injustice Everywhere blog yesterday.  fyi.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Packratt has posted sort of an equivocal goodby over at the Injustice Everywhere blog yesterday.  fyi.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 22:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In fairness, somebody needs to celebrate all the wonderful work of Texan cops, like, um...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In fairness, somebody needs to celebrate all the wonderful work of Texan cops, like, um&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: John P.</title>
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		<dc:creator>John P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 21:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[COP WORSHIP, Its all they are interested in... anything less is unacceptable, in the eyes of law enforcement.

Its Cult of Personality law enforcement style.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>COP WORSHIP, Its all they are interested in&#8230; anything less is unacceptable, in the eyes of law enforcement.</p>
<p>Its Cult of Personality law enforcement style.</p>
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		<title>By: croaker</title>
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		<dc:creator>croaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 20:36:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@5 Remember a few years back when &quot;Homeland Security&quot; tried to get ministers to preach Romans 13 from the pulpit in an effort to quell dissent and suppress ideas like adherence to constitutional principles?

Same idea here, now that dissent and constitutional principles are listed as signs of terrorism.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@5 Remember a few years back when &#8220;Homeland Security&#8221; tried to get ministers to preach Romans 13 from the pulpit in an effort to quell dissent and suppress ideas like adherence to constitutional principles?</p>
<p>Same idea here, now that dissent and constitutional principles are listed as signs of terrorism.</p>
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		<title>By: marie</title>
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		<dc:creator>marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 20:01:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;It seems there could be some church/state concerns, particularly when the department starts handing out “badges” to religious leaders (although it isn’t clear if the badges imply any real authority)&lt;/i&gt;

In a search situation, when your home is invaded by stranger carrying guns, it isn&#039;t clear that the REAL badges mean anything, either.

This issue should separate the men from the boys in blue, won&#039;t it? Houston will be able to tell good ministers from the bad.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>It seems there could be some church/state concerns, particularly when the department starts handing out “badges” to religious leaders (although it isn’t clear if the badges imply any real authority)</i></p>
<p>In a search situation, when your home is invaded by stranger carrying guns, it isn&#8217;t clear that the REAL badges mean anything, either.</p>
<p>This issue should separate the men from the boys in blue, won&#8217;t it? Houston will be able to tell good ministers from the bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan-zor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan-zor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 18:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;...it isn’t clear if the badges imply any real authority&quot;

The badges undoubtedly *imply* authority, the question is whether they *grant* real authority. But reading through the article, it becomes clear from the discussion of the badges by the HPD and the good reverend that *taking away the badges* is the form of leverage the HPD is exercising to try to keep their community partner churches in line. That definitely implies that the badges are a perk and have some kind of real advantage. It is inappropriate and a corruption incentive to hand out such markers of authority to *any person* who is not actually a cop and doesn&#039;t actually have any authority to enforce the law. More likely than not, the perk is that the ministers get to flash the badge to avoid security checks, avoid speeding tickets, etc. This kind of thing is a low-level problem that pervades departments across the country.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;it isn’t clear if the badges imply any real authority&#8221;</p>
<p>The badges undoubtedly *imply* authority, the question is whether they *grant* real authority. But reading through the article, it becomes clear from the discussion of the badges by the HPD and the good reverend that *taking away the badges* is the form of leverage the HPD is exercising to try to keep their community partner churches in line. That definitely implies that the badges are a perk and have some kind of real advantage. It is inappropriate and a corruption incentive to hand out such markers of authority to *any person* who is not actually a cop and doesn&#8217;t actually have any authority to enforce the law. More likely than not, the perk is that the ministers get to flash the badge to avoid security checks, avoid speeding tickets, etc. This kind of thing is a low-level problem that pervades departments across the country.</p>
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		<title>By: Personanongrata</title>
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		<dc:creator>Personanongrata</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 18:37:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;“In PACA, you cannot speak out against the city, nor the police department, you cannot associate yourself with people who are speaking out, and you cannot cause any kind of problem in the city as long as you’re carrying a PACA badge,” said Rev. Jefferson.&lt;/em&gt;

So if you turn a blind eye toward malfeasance, misfeasance and nonfeasance in Houston Texas the Houston Police Department will let you carry your very own PACA badge. 

What a great bargin for the ordinary folks who fund the Houston Police Department with their taxes and the churches with their tithings.

The darkest depths of Dante&#039;s hell await the souls of these sellouts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>“In PACA, you cannot speak out against the city, nor the police department, you cannot associate yourself with people who are speaking out, and you cannot cause any kind of problem in the city as long as you’re carrying a PACA badge,” said Rev. Jefferson.</em></p>
<p>So if you turn a blind eye toward malfeasance, misfeasance and nonfeasance in Houston Texas the Houston Police Department will let you carry your very own PACA badge. </p>
<p>What a great bargin for the ordinary folks who fund the Houston Police Department with their taxes and the churches with their tithings.</p>
<p>The darkest depths of Dante&#8217;s hell await the souls of these sellouts.</p>
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		<title>By: James J.B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>James J.B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 17:13:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I usually hate stereotypes. However, I think blacks are our only hope on the issue of police brutality.  I know that may seem racist (?) but between my white friends and black friends - most of the whites will always find a way to excuse the cops , no matter the race of the victim.  In this case, well, he was a burglar after all, so its ok.  In saying that though, the black leaders abandon other cases of police abuses, where the victims are white.  

While racism may have motivated this beating in Houston, I, as many here no doubt, see it as a larger problem - the cops believe they can beat us without consequences.  All to many times, the juries agree.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I usually hate stereotypes. However, I think blacks are our only hope on the issue of police brutality.  I know that may seem racist (?) but between my white friends and black friends &#8211; most of the whites will always find a way to excuse the cops , no matter the race of the victim.  In this case, well, he was a burglar after all, so its ok.  In saying that though, the black leaders abandon other cases of police abuses, where the victims are white.  </p>
<p>While racism may have motivated this beating in Houston, I, as many here no doubt, see it as a larger problem &#8211; the cops believe they can beat us without consequences.  All to many times, the juries agree.</p>
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		<title>By: EH</title>
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		<dc:creator>EH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 17:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A fanclub for the police, what could go wrong?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A fanclub for the police, what could go wrong?</p>
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		<title>By: Deoxy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deoxy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 16:20:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;If the point of the program was to promote and celebrate Houston’s police officers, I suppose you can’t really fault HPD, here.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well, can&#039;t fault them any extra for this particular part of that, anyway.  There&#039;s still plenty of fault in wanting a program that &quot;promote[s] and celebrate[s]&quot; unconditionally.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If the point of the program was to promote and celebrate Houston’s police officers, I suppose you can’t really fault HPD, here.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, can&#8217;t fault them any extra for this particular part of that, anyway.  There&#8217;s still plenty of fault in wanting a program that &#8220;promote[s] and celebrate[s]&#8221; unconditionally.</p>
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		<title>By: EH</title>
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		<dc:creator>EH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 15:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[yeah, i like that. PACA is an &lt;i&gt;attempt to create&lt;/i&gt; a church/state problem.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah, i like that. PACA is an <i>attempt to create</i> a church/state problem.</p>
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		<title>By: SJE</title>
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		<dc:creator>SJE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 15:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#5: you raise an EXCELLENT point.  The revamped PACA program raises serious 1st amendment problem under both church-state separation and freedom of speech.  A Houston taxpayer could probably start a lawsuit that would make for very bad PR for the HPD and those churches that stay in and lick boots.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#5: you raise an EXCELLENT point.  The revamped PACA program raises serious 1st amendment problem under both church-state separation and freedom of speech.  A Houston taxpayer could probably start a lawsuit that would make for very bad PR for the HPD and those churches that stay in and lick boots.</p>
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		<title>By: Quiet Desperation</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quiet Desperation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 15:39:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;&lt;i&gt;tarran : The nation state’s grip on power is weakening.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

On what parallel Earth is that occurring?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;<i>tarran : The nation state’s grip on power is weakening.</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>On what parallel Earth is that occurring?</p>
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		<title>By: j00bz</title>
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		<dc:creator>j00bz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 15:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I’m not entirely sure how I feel about the program. It seems there could be some church/state concerns...&quot;

The church/state concerns would exist if the church became a mouthpiece of the state or if the partnership granted the church some exclusionary benefit. If the PACA program goes forward as HPD plans, where the church is bound from criticizing the state, those concerns are valid and real. But it seems like the church&#039;s dissociation from the program precisely because of that injunction shows that the separation is live and well.

In short, the HPD took what could have been a fantastic community relations program and tried to turn it into transforming community leaders into willing mouthpieces for the baton-wielding arm of the state. Brilliant.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’m not entirely sure how I feel about the program. It seems there could be some church/state concerns&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>The church/state concerns would exist if the church became a mouthpiece of the state or if the partnership granted the church some exclusionary benefit. If the PACA program goes forward as HPD plans, where the church is bound from criticizing the state, those concerns are valid and real. But it seems like the church&#8217;s dissociation from the program precisely because of that injunction shows that the separation is live and well.</p>
<p>In short, the HPD took what could have been a fantastic community relations program and tried to turn it into transforming community leaders into willing mouthpieces for the baton-wielding arm of the state. Brilliant.</p>
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		<title>By: XYZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>XYZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 15:33:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[it has been my experience that police officers are some of the most thin-skinned folks out there.  So, no, it&#039;s not just you.  Prosecutors need to take some blame for this.  In my area, officers are consulted regarding the resolution of cases rather than addressing the case on its merits.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it has been my experience that police officers are some of the most thin-skinned folks out there.  So, no, it&#8217;s not just you.  Prosecutors need to take some blame for this.  In my area, officers are consulted regarding the resolution of cases rather than addressing the case on its merits.</p>
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		<title>By: Brandon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brandon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 15:32:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don, that&#039;s the same reason they are trying to shut down the internet. As the populace wakes up to the abuse being perpetrated by the state, the state will become more vicious in its attempts to retain power.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don, that&#8217;s the same reason they are trying to shut down the internet. As the populace wakes up to the abuse being perpetrated by the state, the state will become more vicious in its attempts to retain power.</p>
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		<title>By: tarran</title>
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		<dc:creator>tarran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 14:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Is it just me or is the government getting more thin-skinned by the minute?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The nation state&#039;s grip on power is weakening.  They hope that they can buy time by shutting up people who would question their legitimacy as a source of peace and order.

In the end, though, it will avail them nothing. One day people will recognize that government is a disease pretending to be its own cure.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Is it just me or is the government getting more thin-skinned by the minute?</p></blockquote>
<p>The nation state&#8217;s grip on power is weakening.  They hope that they can buy time by shutting up people who would question their legitimacy as a source of peace and order.</p>
<p>In the end, though, it will avail them nothing. One day people will recognize that government is a disease pretending to be its own cure.</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 14:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is it just me or is the government getting more thin-skinned by the minute?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it just me or is the government getting more thin-skinned by the minute?</p>
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