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	<description>It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do.</description>
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		<title>By: V</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/04/18/late-afternoon-links-8/comment-page-1/#comment-3125058</link>
		<dc:creator>V</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2012 07:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@42

You&#039;re right, people do come in all shapes and sizes. And then we do some math, and we come up with an average height and weight, which probably excludes activities like training for triathalons, because that&#039;s not the average amount of activity for an average individual.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@42</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right, people do come in all shapes and sizes. And then we do some math, and we come up with an average height and weight, which probably excludes activities like training for triathalons, because that&#8217;s not the average amount of activity for an average individual.</p>
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		<title>By: Leon Wolfeson</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/04/18/late-afternoon-links-8/comment-page-1/#comment-3123582</link>
		<dc:creator>Leon Wolfeson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2012 02:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@46 - Oh I&#039;m sure, you know exactly what the person&#039;s like because they want what was promised to them to take the job. Funny that, I bet you want YOUR compensation. Or are you saying when a law reduces your spending power you don&#039;t have a problem with that?


Oh and Radley, on the food deserts that data&#039;s incomplete. &quot;More shops&quot;. Great, and what floor area? What average price for vegetables and fresh foods? What are the opening hours like and what are the working hours of the people in the area?

Etc.

Your claim isn&#039;t sustainable on the raw numbers of shops alone.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@46 &#8211; Oh I&#8217;m sure, you know exactly what the person&#8217;s like because they want what was promised to them to take the job. Funny that, I bet you want YOUR compensation. Or are you saying when a law reduces your spending power you don&#8217;t have a problem with that?</p>
<p>Oh and Radley, on the food deserts that data&#8217;s incomplete. &#8220;More shops&#8221;. Great, and what floor area? What average price for vegetables and fresh foods? What are the opening hours like and what are the working hours of the people in the area?</p>
<p>Etc.</p>
<p>Your claim isn&#8217;t sustainable on the raw numbers of shops alone.</p>
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		<title>By: Roberta X</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/04/18/late-afternoon-links-8/comment-page-1/#comment-3123381</link>
		<dc:creator>Roberta X</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2012 01:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For Andrew Roth (et al) on the IMPD evidence &quot;oopsie:&quot; looks like the local FBI has &quot;been invited to look into it.&quot;  &#039;Cos you know how local police departments love to open up to outsiders, especially Feds.

     This entire mess, from the accident that began it to the present day, has been so egregious that the big boys like Radley have been content to let the thing speak for itself.  Which it does -- and it&#039;s not saying anything good.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For Andrew Roth (et al) on the IMPD evidence &#8220;oopsie:&#8221; looks like the local FBI has &#8220;been invited to look into it.&#8221;  &#8216;Cos you know how local police departments love to open up to outsiders, especially Feds.</p>
<p>     This entire mess, from the accident that began it to the present day, has been so egregious that the big boys like Radley have been content to let the thing speak for itself.  Which it does &#8212; and it&#8217;s not saying anything good.</p>
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		<title>By: Mister Pickles</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/04/18/late-afternoon-links-8/comment-page-1/#comment-3123277</link>
		<dc:creator>Mister Pickles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2012 00:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[re:  &quot;The return of the debtor&#039;s prison&quot;

Yeah it&#039;s bad here in FL.  If you get arrested you&#039;ve got long term financial liabilities.  Many people here are sentenced to some sort of &quot;counseling&quot; like anti-theft, anti-violence, alcohol and drug abuse, etc.  They have to pay for that.  This crap is especially prevalent in plea  bargain cases where sometimes innocent people get scared of facing prison time, don&#039;t want to risk their freedom at trial, so they plead something like no lo contendere or whatever and get stuck.  Then there are the fees for court costs, supervision/probation, public defender, and all kinds of other crap.

Police states need money.  They&#039;re very creative in how they get it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re:  &#8220;The return of the debtor&#8217;s prison&#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah it&#8217;s bad here in FL.  If you get arrested you&#8217;ve got long term financial liabilities.  Many people here are sentenced to some sort of &#8220;counseling&#8221; like anti-theft, anti-violence, alcohol and drug abuse, etc.  They have to pay for that.  This crap is especially prevalent in plea  bargain cases where sometimes innocent people get scared of facing prison time, don&#8217;t want to risk their freedom at trial, so they plead something like no lo contendere or whatever and get stuck.  Then there are the fees for court costs, supervision/probation, public defender, and all kinds of other crap.</p>
<p>Police states need money.  They&#8217;re very creative in how they get it.</p>
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		<title>By: JOR</title>
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		<dc:creator>JOR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2012 00:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d rather the teacher be paid to do nothing than be paid to continue brainwashing kids.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d rather the teacher be paid to do nothing than be paid to continue brainwashing kids.</p>
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		<title>By: Martk F.</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/04/18/late-afternoon-links-8/comment-page-1/#comment-3123075</link>
		<dc:creator>Martk F.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2012 23:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In many parts of California, Safeway will deliver food for $9.95 with a $50 minimum order. No car or taxi ride needed to get all the food you need.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In many parts of California, Safeway will deliver food for $9.95 with a $50 minimum order. No car or taxi ride needed to get all the food you need.</p>
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		<title>By: Leon Wolfeson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leon Wolfeson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2012 23:16:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ah yes, no non-scam, non-casino pensions allowed. No retirement for anyone not in the 1%. Typical elitist...


@20 - Only if you&#039;re closing the program down. Which is what you&#039;re after, ending state education and healthcare and so on entirely. Can&#039;t have the people with most of the wealth pay that percentage of tax, after all!

Actually, excepting Greece, the sickest country in the EU is the UK. Because of slash and burn RIGHT out of your playbook.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah yes, no non-scam, non-casino pensions allowed. No retirement for anyone not in the 1%. Typical elitist&#8230;</p>
<p>@20 &#8211; Only if you&#8217;re closing the program down. Which is what you&#8217;re after, ending state education and healthcare and so on entirely. Can&#8217;t have the people with most of the wealth pay that percentage of tax, after all!</p>
<p>Actually, excepting Greece, the sickest country in the EU is the UK. Because of slash and burn RIGHT out of your playbook.</p>
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		<title>By: Radley Balko</title>
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		<dc:creator>Radley Balko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2012 18:47:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;I learned about the existence of the “food desert” from Radley Balko articles.&lt;/em&gt;

You shouldn&#039;t trust anything that guy says!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>I learned about the existence of the “food desert” from Radley Balko articles.</em></p>
<p>You shouldn&#8217;t trust anything that guy says!</p>
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		<title>By: Greg C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2012 18:31:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I learned about the existence of the &quot;food desert&quot; from Radley Balko articles.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I learned about the existence of the &#8220;food desert&#8221; from Radley Balko articles.</p>
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		<title>By: Boyd Durkin</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/04/18/late-afternoon-links-8/comment-page-1/#comment-3120976</link>
		<dc:creator>Boyd Durkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2012 16:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;
Piss and moan about it all you want, if you’re 6′ 2″ tall and weigh over 232 pounds, you’re clinically obese.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Good grief.  Those numbers are for a very average person.  In case you didn&#039;t notice, people come in all shapes and sizes.  

15 years ago we used to laugh at those numbers (which were put on the bulletin board for the purpose of laughing at).  I was personally 6&#039;1&quot; 220-235 with a 33&quot; waist when I was doing triathlons.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>
Piss and moan about it all you want, if you’re 6′ 2″ tall and weigh over 232 pounds, you’re clinically obese.
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<p>Good grief.  Those numbers are for a very average person.  In case you didn&#8217;t notice, people come in all shapes and sizes.  </p>
<p>15 years ago we used to laugh at those numbers (which were put on the bulletin board for the purpose of laughing at).  I was personally 6&#8217;1&#8243; 220-235 with a 33&#8243; waist when I was doing triathlons.</p>
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		<title>By: Boyd Durkin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boyd Durkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2012 16:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;
Thousands of documents detailing some of the most shameful acts and crimes committed during the final years of the British empire were systematically destroyed to prevent them falling into the hands of post-independence governments
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I like to bring this up when talking to a Brit about how great their government is.  I wish my wife had such a short memory.]]></description>
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Thousands of documents detailing some of the most shameful acts and crimes committed during the final years of the British empire were systematically destroyed to prevent them falling into the hands of post-independence governments
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<p>I like to bring this up when talking to a Brit about how great their government is.  I wish my wife had such a short memory.</p>
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		<title>By: Mattocracy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mattocracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2012 14:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ Bob,

What Xenocles said.  Warren Sapp was 6-2, 300+ pounds when he played in the NFL.  He also a 40 in 4.7.  If you called him obese to his face, he could run you down, beat your ass, eat a donut and still not be winded.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Bob,</p>
<p>What Xenocles said.  Warren Sapp was 6-2, 300+ pounds when he played in the NFL.  He also a 40 in 4.7.  If you called him obese to his face, he could run you down, beat your ass, eat a donut and still not be winded.</p>
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		<title>By: marco73</title>
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		<dc:creator>marco73</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2012 12:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Go Venus Green!

City Council President Jack Young voted against this settlement and others, saying he is &quot;tired of the Police Department bleeding money.&quot;

Well, Jack, why don&#039;t you find out why your police department roughs up old ladies? Well, that would just be too much work.

Jack is obviously afraid to take on the police union who helped fund his last election campaign.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Go Venus Green!</p>
<p>City Council President Jack Young voted against this settlement and others, saying he is &#8220;tired of the Police Department bleeding money.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, Jack, why don&#8217;t you find out why your police department roughs up old ladies? Well, that would just be too much work.</p>
<p>Jack is obviously afraid to take on the police union who helped fund his last election campaign.</p>
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		<title>By: Heron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2012 10:58:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#22  You&#039;re wrong.  Spain, Italy, Ireland, Portugal; their debt is all due to housing bubbles or, in Ireland&#039;s case, also the decision to use taxpayer money to entirely cover the losses of EU institutional investors from said housing bubble.  As to US pension programs, their funding issues are far more often caused not by being too generous, but because newer pols steal from and slash the funding sources set up by older ones to cover those pensions.  California is an excellent example of this.  As to whether the state, or private employers who&#039;ve been pulling the same malarky for decades now, ought to face a requirement to cover their pension obligations, a contract is a contract.  I find it very telling that certain social commentators seem to thing &quot;the right to contract&quot; requires individuals be bared from negotiating collectively with an employer, but don&#039;t seem to think it requires employers to actually be bound by the content of that contract.  Pensions are a form of compensation, and public sector workers accept much lower pay for their educational level in part because public pensions have historically come close to making up the difference.  Allowing the state to decimate pension funding sources then use that as an excuse to abandon those obligations is like letting arsonists claim payment from the State for &quot;clearing away fire-damaged buildings&quot;, or more apropos to the moment, letting banks foreclose on mortgage holders that they defrauded.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#22  You&#8217;re wrong.  Spain, Italy, Ireland, Portugal; their debt is all due to housing bubbles or, in Ireland&#8217;s case, also the decision to use taxpayer money to entirely cover the losses of EU institutional investors from said housing bubble.  As to US pension programs, their funding issues are far more often caused not by being too generous, but because newer pols steal from and slash the funding sources set up by older ones to cover those pensions.  California is an excellent example of this.  As to whether the state, or private employers who&#8217;ve been pulling the same malarky for decades now, ought to face a requirement to cover their pension obligations, a contract is a contract.  I find it very telling that certain social commentators seem to thing &#8220;the right to contract&#8221; requires individuals be bared from negotiating collectively with an employer, but don&#8217;t seem to think it requires employers to actually be bound by the content of that contract.  Pensions are a form of compensation, and public sector workers accept much lower pay for their educational level in part because public pensions have historically come close to making up the difference.  Allowing the state to decimate pension funding sources then use that as an excuse to abandon those obligations is like letting arsonists claim payment from the State for &#8220;clearing away fire-damaged buildings&#8221;, or more apropos to the moment, letting banks foreclose on mortgage holders that they defrauded.</p>
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		<title>By: Xenocles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Xenocles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2012 10:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Piss and moan about it all you want, if you’re 6′ 2″ tall and weigh over 232 pounds, you’re clinically obese.&quot;

Arnold was 6&#039;2&quot; and about 235 when he was winning Mr. Olympia 7 times. He was juicing moderately at the time, but the point remains that simple height-weight ratios miss a lot when diagnosing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Piss and moan about it all you want, if you’re 6′ 2″ tall and weigh over 232 pounds, you’re clinically obese.&#8221;</p>
<p>Arnold was 6&#8217;2&#8243; and about 235 when he was winning Mr. Olympia 7 times. He was juicing moderately at the time, but the point remains that simple height-weight ratios miss a lot when diagnosing.</p>
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		<title>By: Pi Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pi Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2012 10:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have no problem whatsoever giving municipal retirees $100K/yr pensions - as long a completely funded. What&#039;s needed here for an educator like Ms. List to do a little math. She could do this problem with her kids, a &quot;teachable moment.&quot;

In order to genereate $100k/yr, all the city/state/king has to do is set aside $5M in a 2% interest-bearing account. The simple answer is, for every single retiree in the system, there needs to be ~$5M on hand. 

I assume that we all know that this nearly impossible and, so, an intelligent (which this case clearly demonstrates is not the same thing as &quot;educated&quot;) person should probably see numbers like that and say &quot;How can you possibly afford that?&quot; 

Let her do this as a class project. Maybe &lt;i&gt;she&lt;/i&gt; can learn something. Hopefully one of the students whose parents will have to work into their 60s, still scraping out their own meager existence, to pay for the 15 years Ms. List is on the dole points this out to her.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no problem whatsoever giving municipal retirees $100K/yr pensions &#8211; as long a completely funded. What&#8217;s needed here for an educator like Ms. List to do a little math. She could do this problem with her kids, a &#8220;teachable moment.&#8221;</p>
<p>In order to genereate $100k/yr, all the city/state/king has to do is set aside $5M in a 2% interest-bearing account. The simple answer is, for every single retiree in the system, there needs to be ~$5M on hand. </p>
<p>I assume that we all know that this nearly impossible and, so, an intelligent (which this case clearly demonstrates is not the same thing as &#8220;educated&#8221;) person should probably see numbers like that and say &#8220;How can you possibly afford that?&#8221; </p>
<p>Let her do this as a class project. Maybe <i>she</i> can learn something. Hopefully one of the students whose parents will have to work into their 60s, still scraping out their own meager existence, to pay for the 15 years Ms. List is on the dole points this out to her.</p>
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		<title>By: V</title>
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		<dc:creator>V</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2012 07:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s hardly an article to bust the &quot;food desert myth&quot;. It poorly summarizes the research findings, and ignores other arguments presented. The notion of having &quot;nearly twice as many fast food restaurants and convenience stores as wealthier ones,&quot; isn&#039;t what defines a food desert, it&#039;s access to quality food. Fast food restaurants and convienience stores rarely sell fresh fruits and vegetables, instead choosing to sell boxed, processed, and non-perishable foods. At least in NY, these also correlate, at a minimum, to areas which increasing obesity rates.

Sturm&#039;s research is interesting, but his method doesn&#039;t count income, household size, or parental work. Two families can live in the same neighborhood, but one family may have the resources to travel further for quality food, while another family may not.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s hardly an article to bust the &#8220;food desert myth&#8221;. It poorly summarizes the research findings, and ignores other arguments presented. The notion of having &#8220;nearly twice as many fast food restaurants and convenience stores as wealthier ones,&#8221; isn&#8217;t what defines a food desert, it&#8217;s access to quality food. Fast food restaurants and convienience stores rarely sell fresh fruits and vegetables, instead choosing to sell boxed, processed, and non-perishable foods. At least in NY, these also correlate, at a minimum, to areas which increasing obesity rates.</p>
<p>Sturm&#8217;s research is interesting, but his method doesn&#8217;t count income, household size, or parental work. Two families can live in the same neighborhood, but one family may have the resources to travel further for quality food, while another family may not.</p>
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		<title>By: CyniCAl</title>
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		<dc:creator>CyniCAl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2012 05:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;We thought we would have a difficult time in front of a city jury, or any jury,&quot; Baltimore City solicitor George Nilson said.

Damn fucking straight.  Juries still have the last word.  Fuck the police.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We thought we would have a difficult time in front of a city jury, or any jury,&#8221; Baltimore City solicitor George Nilson said.</p>
<p>Damn fucking straight.  Juries still have the last word.  Fuck the police.</p>
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		<title>By: SJE</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/04/18/late-afternoon-links-8/comment-page-1/#comment-3118630</link>
		<dc:creator>SJE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2012 04:48:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[re: teachers and promises.

The teacher might be disappointed, but the reality is that she had unreasonable expectations, and that her expectations cannot be fulfilled without more serious impacts on others.  If I promise my kids a trip to Disney land and then lose my job, they are going to have to live with disappointment so that they can be fed and clothed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: teachers and promises.</p>
<p>The teacher might be disappointed, but the reality is that she had unreasonable expectations, and that her expectations cannot be fulfilled without more serious impacts on others.  If I promise my kids a trip to Disney land and then lose my job, they are going to have to live with disappointment so that they can be fed and clothed.</p>
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		<title>By: SJE</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/04/18/late-afternoon-links-8/comment-page-1/#comment-3118614</link>
		<dc:creator>SJE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2012 04:42:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree that poor nutrition among the poor is partly one of their own motivation and choices.  At the same time, acess is a problem.  I agree with #28: the article oversimplifies the issues to conclude that there are no food deserts.  For example the observation that &quot;93% of people (in such deserts) have access to a car&quot; does not mean that that most people can get to more distant locations to get their food.  &quot;Access&quot; does not mean ready access.  It also assumes that the poor have the time to go further to go shopping, which is not the case for the working poor.  

This is like black poverty: yes, poor black families can make better choices, but to pretend that they don&#039;t also suffer from all sorts of other barriers is just not supported by facts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that poor nutrition among the poor is partly one of their own motivation and choices.  At the same time, acess is a problem.  I agree with #28: the article oversimplifies the issues to conclude that there are no food deserts.  For example the observation that &#8220;93% of people (in such deserts) have access to a car&#8221; does not mean that that most people can get to more distant locations to get their food.  &#8220;Access&#8221; does not mean ready access.  It also assumes that the poor have the time to go further to go shopping, which is not the case for the working poor.  </p>
<p>This is like black poverty: yes, poor black families can make better choices, but to pretend that they don&#8217;t also suffer from all sorts of other barriers is just not supported by facts.</p>
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