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		<title>By: nemo</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/04/11/morning-links-644/comment-page-2/#comment-3087576</link>
		<dc:creator>nemo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2012 16:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In re cops and the dangerous work they are involved in.

If they don&#039;t like that, they are free to quit. At any time they want. Just as is every &lt;i&gt;other&lt;/i&gt; civilian. Starting all over again in middle-age is hard, yes. I had to do it after running afoul of the drug laws and being reduced to penury. But I worked my way back up after some very, &lt;i&gt;very&lt;/i&gt; hard years. They won&#039;t have the problems that I did and should have it lots easier. 

Which calls the mind the fact that they volunteered to attach themselves to the public treasury teat. How many of their neighbors got down on their knees and pleaded and begged for them to become police officers? I doubt very many did. They certainly have not been dragooned into it.

So..if they don&#039;t like the working conditions, they are free to seek employment elsewhere. A hallmark of a &#039;free&#039; society.  Isn&#039;t this a great country, or what?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In re cops and the dangerous work they are involved in.</p>
<p>If they don&#8217;t like that, they are free to quit. At any time they want. Just as is every <i>other</i> civilian. Starting all over again in middle-age is hard, yes. I had to do it after running afoul of the drug laws and being reduced to penury. But I worked my way back up after some very, <i>very</i> hard years. They won&#8217;t have the problems that I did and should have it lots easier. </p>
<p>Which calls the mind the fact that they volunteered to attach themselves to the public treasury teat. How many of their neighbors got down on their knees and pleaded and begged for them to become police officers? I doubt very many did. They certainly have not been dragooned into it.</p>
<p>So..if they don&#8217;t like the working conditions, they are free to seek employment elsewhere. A hallmark of a &#8216;free&#8217; society.  Isn&#8217;t this a great country, or what?</p>
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		<title>By: SJE</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/04/11/morning-links-644/comment-page-2/#comment-3087474</link>
		<dc:creator>SJE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2012 16:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, if people think I am wrong, I might as well go to the facts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, if people think I am wrong, I might as well go to the facts.</p>
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		<title>By: Burgers Allday</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/04/11/morning-links-644/comment-page-2/#comment-3086686</link>
		<dc:creator>Burgers Allday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2012 12:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ow!  #57 SJE droppin&#039; the hard science of jurisprudence all over our nogs.  Righteous and tru!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ow!  #57 SJE droppin&#8217; the hard science of jurisprudence all over our nogs.  Righteous and tru!</p>
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		<title>By: Leon Wolfeson</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/04/11/morning-links-644/comment-page-2/#comment-3084254</link>
		<dc:creator>Leon Wolfeson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2012 16:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@56 - And the problem is that they&#039;re &quot;prosecutors&quot;. Their interest is prosecution. Worse, many of them are looking after their statistics for re-election.

It&#039;s why I defend the UK&#039;s system of having a professional civil service organisation doing the prosecution, with a strong test of the public interest before they bring charges. They can, and frequently do, drop charges.

(Which is even more important now there&#039;s increasing political pressure on police and judges)

It&#039;s interesting how the definitions of negligence and recklessness in UK and US law differ, too....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@56 &#8211; And the problem is that they&#8217;re &#8220;prosecutors&#8221;. Their interest is prosecution. Worse, many of them are looking after their statistics for re-election.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s why I defend the UK&#8217;s system of having a professional civil service organisation doing the prosecution, with a strong test of the public interest before they bring charges. They can, and frequently do, drop charges.</p>
<p>(Which is even more important now there&#8217;s increasing political pressure on police and judges)</p>
<p>It&#8217;s interesting how the definitions of negligence and recklessness in UK and US law differ, too&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: SJE</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/04/11/morning-links-644/comment-page-2/#comment-3084103</link>
		<dc:creator>SJE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2012 16:03:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Laws without a mens rea requirement ARE a problem.  An innocent mistake that harms no one could get you years in jail: e.g. neighbor hacks into your WIFI and uses it to download kiddie porn, and you are guilty merely for facilitating the use.  Or, you import lobsters from Honduras, and try to comply with all federal and state laws, but the Feds decide that you have broken the law.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laws without a mens rea requirement ARE a problem.  An innocent mistake that harms no one could get you years in jail: e.g. neighbor hacks into your WIFI and uses it to download kiddie porn, and you are guilty merely for facilitating the use.  Or, you import lobsters from Honduras, and try to comply with all federal and state laws, but the Feds decide that you have broken the law.</p>
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		<title>By: SJE</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/04/11/morning-links-644/comment-page-2/#comment-3084092</link>
		<dc:creator>SJE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2012 16:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My point re 1001 is that it is a distraction.

Prosecutors use and abuse ALL the laws.  If you changed 1001, they would move to something else.  And, as we know, law enforcement seems to have no problems going well beyond the law to achieve their ends.  

Better to focus on the abuse of power by prosecutors and police.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My point re 1001 is that it is a distraction.</p>
<p>Prosecutors use and abuse ALL the laws.  If you changed 1001, they would move to something else.  And, as we know, law enforcement seems to have no problems going well beyond the law to achieve their ends.  </p>
<p>Better to focus on the abuse of power by prosecutors and police.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/04/11/morning-links-644/comment-page-2/#comment-3084080</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2012 15:57:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2012/04/11/fox-mole-outed-admits-to-being-a-weasel/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2012/04/11/fox-mole-outed-admits-to-being-a-weasel/" rel="nofollow">http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2012/04/11/fox-mole-outed-admits-to-being-a-weasel/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Nancy Lebovitz</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/04/11/morning-links-644/comment-page-2/#comment-3084029</link>
		<dc:creator>Nancy Lebovitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2012 15:42:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Headline of the day: &quot;Gravy-wrestling model suffers horrific facial injuries after being hit with monkey wrench when she interrupted a friend having sex&quot;

And she really did take a serious eye injury.

Pretty women are human beings, even if they do something undignified.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Headline of the day: &#8220;Gravy-wrestling model suffers horrific facial injuries after being hit with monkey wrench when she interrupted a friend having sex&#8221;</p>
<p>And she really did take a serious eye injury.</p>
<p>Pretty women are human beings, even if they do something undignified.</p>
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		<title>By: Deoxy</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/04/11/morning-links-644/comment-page-2/#comment-3083680</link>
		<dc:creator>Deoxy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2012 14:15:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Personally, I do not claim to possess the ability to read minds, but the state on a regular basis relies on their own ability to divine intent of many minds that they have either just met or have never met.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The alternative to this is to make laws without a &lt;i&gt;mens rea&lt;/i&gt; requirement, and those are FAR FAR FAR worse, as evidenced by their obscene abuses (only partially) cataloged here.

&lt;blockquote&gt;any of the “news” media are okay sources, as long as you are aware they almost certainly are not giving you the whole story.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

There is certainly some truth in this, but my question was about why Fox seemed to be targetted particularly, when they are the least offender of the group (and not by a small margin).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Personally, I do not claim to possess the ability to read minds, but the state on a regular basis relies on their own ability to divine intent of many minds that they have either just met or have never met.</p></blockquote>
<p>The alternative to this is to make laws without a <i>mens rea</i> requirement, and those are FAR FAR FAR worse, as evidenced by their obscene abuses (only partially) cataloged here.</p>
<blockquote><p>any of the “news” media are okay sources, as long as you are aware they almost certainly are not giving you the whole story.</p></blockquote>
<p>There is certainly some truth in this, but my question was about why Fox seemed to be targetted particularly, when they are the least offender of the group (and not by a small margin).</p>
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		<title>By: Boyd Durkin</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/04/11/morning-links-644/comment-page-2/#comment-3083366</link>
		<dc:creator>Boyd Durkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2012 12:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@#42
&lt;blockquote&gt;
...but the problem is not the law, its the prosecutors and judges who allow them to argue intent based on flimsy evidence.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

In my opinion this means the problem is the law.  

Personally, I do not claim to possess the ability to read minds, but the state on a regular basis relies on their own ability to divine intent of many minds that they have either just met or have never met.  People seem to think this mind-reading is OK even though Miss Cleo got sent to jail for it...after someone probably read her mind.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@#42</p>
<blockquote><p>
&#8230;but the problem is not the law, its the prosecutors and judges who allow them to argue intent based on flimsy evidence.
</p></blockquote>
<p>In my opinion this means the problem is the law.  </p>
<p>Personally, I do not claim to possess the ability to read minds, but the state on a regular basis relies on their own ability to divine intent of many minds that they have either just met or have never met.  People seem to think this mind-reading is OK even though Miss Cleo got sent to jail for it&#8230;after someone probably read her mind.</p>
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		<title>By: JOR</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/04/11/morning-links-644/comment-page-2/#comment-3082912</link>
		<dc:creator>JOR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2012 00:29:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The line for bootlicking starts at both ends and proceeds towards the center. Left, right, repeat.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The line for bootlicking starts at both ends and proceeds towards the center. Left, right, repeat.</p>
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		<title>By: JOR</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/04/11/morning-links-644/comment-page-1/#comment-3082900</link>
		<dc:creator>JOR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2012 00:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The police have always been militarized (think 4GW). They just lag behind the imperial armed forces in terms of doctrine, tactics, and equipment (sometimes, and to some extent).

It&#039;s worthwhile to keep shining the light on this reality, but it&#039;s nothing new.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The police have always been militarized (think 4GW). They just lag behind the imperial armed forces in terms of doctrine, tactics, and equipment (sometimes, and to some extent).</p>
<p>It&#8217;s worthwhile to keep shining the light on this reality, but it&#8217;s nothing new.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/04/11/morning-links-644/comment-page-1/#comment-3082581</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2012 23:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Both suggest that those wearing a darker, more military-style uniform may act more aggressively, matching their tone with their dress. However, their conclusions are not conclusive. The uniform implies trust and authority. Only an individual officer can earn respect or alienate those whom he or she contacts by exercising authority before common sense.&quot;

To translate: there is evidence, but I don&#039;t like what it says, so I&#039;ll instead just throw out my opinion without evidence as gospel truth and continue to make decisions from that viewpoint.

Also, the logic of &quot;people don&#039;t respect the people wearing our uniform, so we need to change our uniform&quot; is all sorts of fun.

Other than the lack of evidence or reasoning, a brilliant op-ed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Both suggest that those wearing a darker, more military-style uniform may act more aggressively, matching their tone with their dress. However, their conclusions are not conclusive. The uniform implies trust and authority. Only an individual officer can earn respect or alienate those whom he or she contacts by exercising authority before common sense.&#8221;</p>
<p>To translate: there is evidence, but I don&#8217;t like what it says, so I&#8217;ll instead just throw out my opinion without evidence as gospel truth and continue to make decisions from that viewpoint.</p>
<p>Also, the logic of &#8220;people don&#8217;t respect the people wearing our uniform, so we need to change our uniform&#8221; is all sorts of fun.</p>
<p>Other than the lack of evidence or reasoning, a brilliant op-ed.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerryskids</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/04/11/morning-links-644/comment-page-1/#comment-3082519</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerryskids</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2012 23:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@#43 - any of the &quot;news&quot; media are okay sources, as long as you are aware they almost certainly are not giving you the whole story. At that point, you go online and actually do some research. You can find a dozen sources for news stories and a thousand sources for news analysis - you are certain to find additional ways to interpret or understand the news.

And speaking of &quot;catch-all laws&quot; like 18 USC 1001, Ken at Popehat has a piece on 18 USC 1030 - which is like 1001 for computers. Pray to god they don&#039;t find you reading this on your work computer, that&#039;s a crime.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@#43 &#8211; any of the &#8220;news&#8221; media are okay sources, as long as you are aware they almost certainly are not giving you the whole story. At that point, you go online and actually do some research. You can find a dozen sources for news stories and a thousand sources for news analysis &#8211; you are certain to find additional ways to interpret or understand the news.</p>
<p>And speaking of &#8220;catch-all laws&#8221; like 18 USC 1001, Ken at Popehat has a piece on 18 USC 1030 &#8211; which is like 1001 for computers. Pray to god they don&#8217;t find you reading this on your work computer, that&#8217;s a crime.</p>
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		<title>By: Deoxy</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/04/11/morning-links-644/comment-page-1/#comment-3082399</link>
		<dc:creator>Deoxy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2012 22:44:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;I don’t know for whom I’d cheer in a Gawker-Fox feud. But it will be fun to watch. And one can always hope both sides sustain heavy damage.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

not that Fox is just wonderful, or anything, but which station isn&#039;t far worse?  Seriously, which station would you recommend?  CNN (that has admitted lying to maintain &quot;access&quot;, among other ridiculous things), ABC/NBC/CBS (yeah, let&#039;s see how they&#039;ve handled the Martin/Zimmerman thing for just the most recent example, not to mention how they&#039;ve SO SO SO in the tank for one party)?

To borrow/bastardize a famous quote: Fox is the worst possible news station... except for the all the others that actually exist.

Or am I missing one?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I don’t know for whom I’d cheer in a Gawker-Fox feud. But it will be fun to watch. And one can always hope both sides sustain heavy damage.</p></blockquote>
<p>not that Fox is just wonderful, or anything, but which station isn&#8217;t far worse?  Seriously, which station would you recommend?  CNN (that has admitted lying to maintain &#8220;access&#8221;, among other ridiculous things), ABC/NBC/CBS (yeah, let&#8217;s see how they&#8217;ve handled the Martin/Zimmerman thing for just the most recent example, not to mention how they&#8217;ve SO SO SO in the tank for one party)?</p>
<p>To borrow/bastardize a famous quote: Fox is the worst possible news station&#8230; except for the all the others that actually exist.</p>
<p>Or am I missing one?</p>
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		<title>By: SJE</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/04/11/morning-links-644/comment-page-1/#comment-3082385</link>
		<dc:creator>SJE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2012 22:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I suggest you look at the actual text of 1001.  I checked it before I wrote my comment, since everyone here seems to think it is the spawn of the devil.  No, its pretty much as I remember it.  The relevant section says

(a) Except as otherwise provided in this section, whoever, in any matter within the jurisdiction of the executive, legislative, or judicial branch of the Government of the United States, knowingly and willfully— 
(1) falsifies, conceals, or covers up by any trick, scheme, or device a material fact; 
(2) makes any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or representation; or 
(3) makes or uses any false writing or document knowing the same to contain any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or entry; 
shall be [punished by fine and/or prison]

The plain language of the statute requires intent to deceive.  Now, intent CAN be inferred by actions, but the problem is not the law, its the prosecutors and judges who allow them to argue intent based on flimsy evidence.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suggest you look at the actual text of 1001.  I checked it before I wrote my comment, since everyone here seems to think it is the spawn of the devil.  No, its pretty much as I remember it.  The relevant section says</p>
<p>(a) Except as otherwise provided in this section, whoever, in any matter within the jurisdiction of the executive, legislative, or judicial branch of the Government of the United States, knowingly and willfully—<br />
(1) falsifies, conceals, or covers up by any trick, scheme, or device a material fact;<br />
(2) makes any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or representation; or<br />
(3) makes or uses any false writing or document knowing the same to contain any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or entry;<br />
shall be [punished by fine and/or prison]</p>
<p>The plain language of the statute requires intent to deceive.  Now, intent CAN be inferred by actions, but the problem is not the law, its the prosecutors and judges who allow them to argue intent based on flimsy evidence.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/04/11/morning-links-644/comment-page-1/#comment-3082118</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2012 21:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[From the Police1 article:

&quot;[Some people say police militarization is] an understandable and justifiable answer to increasingly violent criminal behavior.&quot;

If anybody does say that, then they&#039;re lying or ignorant, as violent crime has been steadily plummeting for years (since 1990), as Radley wrote about in this great column (http://reason.com/archives/2009/10/19/were-all-felons-now), as was written about in &#039;Freakonomics&#039;, and has been thoroughly documented in a billion other places.

Once again, we get a drama queen who loves prostrating himself before the police and military and he gets his worldview from TV, movies, and the mainstream media which all portray violent crime as worse than ever, rather than observing the real world around him.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the Police1 article:</p>
<p>&#8220;[Some people say police militarization is] an understandable and justifiable answer to increasingly violent criminal behavior.&#8221;</p>
<p>If anybody does say that, then they&#8217;re lying or ignorant, as violent crime has been steadily plummeting for years (since 1990), as Radley wrote about in this great column (<a href="http://reason.com/archives/2009/10/19/were-all-felons-now" rel="nofollow">http://reason.com/archives/2009/10/19/were-all-felons-now</a>), as was written about in &#8216;Freakonomics&#8217;, and has been thoroughly documented in a billion other places.</p>
<p>Once again, we get a drama queen who loves prostrating himself before the police and military and he gets his worldview from TV, movies, and the mainstream media which all portray violent crime as worse than ever, rather than observing the real world around him.</p>
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		<title>By: Yizmo Gizmo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yizmo Gizmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2012 21:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[But of course, it’s perfectly a-OK for a federal employee to lie to you – after all, you’re just a prole..

Jesse Ventura said it best, making inferences from Martha Stewart
(lying/jail) and WMD (rationale for war): 
If you lie to the gov&#039;t, you go to jail...
If they lie to us, we go to war...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But of course, it’s perfectly a-OK for a federal employee to lie to you – after all, you’re just a prole..</p>
<p>Jesse Ventura said it best, making inferences from Martha Stewart<br />
(lying/jail) and WMD (rationale for war):<br />
If you lie to the gov&#8217;t, you go to jail&#8230;<br />
If they lie to us, we go to war&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: el coronado</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/04/11/morning-links-644/comment-page-1/#comment-3082093</link>
		<dc:creator>el coronado</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2012 21:48:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You don&#039;t have a problem with 1001, SJE? Really. So it&#039;s OK that I can lie my ass off to YOU - so long as I&#039;m not under oath - and you can lie your ass off to ME - so long as you&#039;re not under oath - but neither one of us, in fact NObody can tell a lie to *any* Federal employee at *any* time, for *any* reason. Even though they&#039;re not under oath while doing so. Even if, as in Martha Stewart&#039;s case, the Fed in question gets to decide that the statement that **you sincerely believed to be true but turned out to be incorrect**, (that&#039;s what that whole &quot;no mens rea requirement&quot; in comment #18 was about), that statement constitutes a &quot;lie&quot;, and off you go to prison, sucker!

But of course, it&#039;s perfectly a-OK for a federal employee to lie to you - after all, you&#039;re just a prole. Oh, and BTW, the FBI doesn&#039;t ever record interviews/interrogations, so Mr. Fed might just _accidentally_ remember wrong at your trial as to what you said or didn&#039;t say those several months ago, and off you go to prison, sucker!! (No no, not you, Mr. Corzine. It&#039;s all been arranged, sir.)

So it&#039;s one rule for THEM, another, infinitely more strict and open to abuse rule for US. And you don&#039;t have a problem with that, SJE? Because it&#039;s a convenient and easy tool for prosecutors to ramrod folks they _think_ are guilty? (or they don&#039;t like; or some guy someone at Justice wants disappeared for awhile...) And heck, they wouldn&#039;t be prosecuting the guy/gal if he *wasn&#039;t* guilty, right?? Interesting. Now, where&#039;d that old Sam Adams quote get to.....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You don&#8217;t have a problem with 1001, SJE? Really. So it&#8217;s OK that I can lie my ass off to YOU &#8211; so long as I&#8217;m not under oath &#8211; and you can lie your ass off to ME &#8211; so long as you&#8217;re not under oath &#8211; but neither one of us, in fact NObody can tell a lie to *any* Federal employee at *any* time, for *any* reason. Even though they&#8217;re not under oath while doing so. Even if, as in Martha Stewart&#8217;s case, the Fed in question gets to decide that the statement that **you sincerely believed to be true but turned out to be incorrect**, (that&#8217;s what that whole &#8220;no mens rea requirement&#8221; in comment #18 was about), that statement constitutes a &#8220;lie&#8221;, and off you go to prison, sucker!</p>
<p>But of course, it&#8217;s perfectly a-OK for a federal employee to lie to you &#8211; after all, you&#8217;re just a prole. Oh, and BTW, the FBI doesn&#8217;t ever record interviews/interrogations, so Mr. Fed might just _accidentally_ remember wrong at your trial as to what you said or didn&#8217;t say those several months ago, and off you go to prison, sucker!! (No no, not you, Mr. Corzine. It&#8217;s all been arranged, sir.)</p>
<p>So it&#8217;s one rule for THEM, another, infinitely more strict and open to abuse rule for US. And you don&#8217;t have a problem with that, SJE? Because it&#8217;s a convenient and easy tool for prosecutors to ramrod folks they _think_ are guilty? (or they don&#8217;t like; or some guy someone at Justice wants disappeared for awhile&#8230;) And heck, they wouldn&#8217;t be prosecuting the guy/gal if he *wasn&#8217;t* guilty, right?? Interesting. Now, where&#8217;d that old Sam Adams quote get to&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Sean L.</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/04/11/morning-links-644/comment-page-1/#comment-3082042</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2012 21:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: Crime spree --

Nice! If that guy committed 10 felonies in one day, that means I don&#039;t have to commit any for *three* days!

http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/three-felonies-a-day/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Crime spree &#8211;</p>
<p>Nice! If that guy committed 10 felonies in one day, that means I don&#8217;t have to commit any for *three* days!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/three-felonies-a-day/" rel="nofollow">http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/three-felonies-a-day/</a></p>
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