Comments on: Another Isolated Incident

By: joe

joe — Fri, 30 Mar 2012 00:57:37 +0000

I take issue with your phrasing. The police stole money from strangers to repair the door. Nothing was “given” that had not first been stolen.

By: primus

primus — Thu, 29 Mar 2012 11:44:57 +0000

When I first read about the wrong door raid, I thought it said that same house had been wrong door raided 4 times in 16 years. When I reread, I realized that the chief constable had indicated a total of four. In either case, heads should roll for every one. Carrying out a wrong door raid should be automatic grounds for dismissal and loss of credentials for the centurians responsible. Why won’t they let me on the po-po commission?

By: Arthur

Arthur — Thu, 29 Mar 2012 04:05:20 +0000

Correction: Innocents WERE harmed but not physically injured…well, you know what i mean.

By: Arthur

Arthur — Thu, 29 Mar 2012 04:03:22 +0000

Thankfully, no innocents were harmed in this attack. Unfortunately, none of the guilty will be harmed either.

By: Cynical in New York

Cynical in New York — Thu, 29 Mar 2012 02:47:17 +0000

RE: #5 and #6

As someone who lives in the Hudson Valley region of the state it really depends on the person. Yes the general definition is anything outside of NYC along with Rockland and Westchester counties.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upstate_NY

By: Deoxy

Deoxy — Wed, 28 Mar 2012 21:49:23 +0000

Arensen is exactly right about how cops getting killed in “dynamic entries” won’t change anything.

The only violence that will change it is off-the-clock violence*, targetted at the cops who perform raids, judges who rubber stamp the warrants, and prosecutors who cover for them.

Actually, even THAT might not be enough – if that is tried and doesn’t work, the next step would be either mob violence against them (unlikely to be effective, IMO, for the same reasons Arensen mentioned), or targetting their families.

I honestly and truly hope it does not come to that (ESPECIALLY that second part), but I am also honestly surprised it hasn’t yet (the first one, anyway).

* By which I mean intentional and targetted kills where the killer is not (usually) captured or identified, performed away from the safety of official spaces and activities – homes, generally, I would expect. The complete denial of safety in any non-official-capacity place for people who engage in terrorizing the public.

By: Aresen

Aresen — Wed, 28 Mar 2012 21:33:42 +0000

croaker

No, that will not end it. If a LEO were killed, it would simply justify police departments asking for even more firepower, because of the Terrible Danger to Our Noble Protectors.

OTOH, if there were a wrong door raid on a safe house for battered women, that might inspire some outrage.

By: croaker

croaker — Wed, 28 Mar 2012 20:55:14 +0000

This will end only when cops who kick in wrong doors leave on stretchers or in body bags.

Nothing else seems to get their attention.

By: PeeDub

PeeDub — Wed, 28 Mar 2012 20:25:39 +0000

To be fair, DoubleU, “upstate” does eliminate about half the population (probably over half since LI doesn’t count in “upstate”) of New York. Whereas “Outside of LA” only cuts out a small percent of population.

By: DoubleU

DoubleU — Wed, 28 Mar 2012 19:06:50 +0000

“Upstate New York” UGH. New York is a large state, “upstate” means anything outside of New York City, it doesn’t narrow the location down. It is the equivalent of saying “Outside of Los Angeles” when describing a location in California.

By: V-Man

V-Man — Wed, 28 Mar 2012 17:03:22 +0000

Naaaa, it would go more like this…

*clunk*
*clunk*
*drops battering ram*

Police: He’s barricaded himself inside! Go to siege mode! Shoot him the moment he appears at the window!

*Police grows impatient, throws incendiary grenades — sorry, “flash bang” — in the window, house burns down, you die.*

Meanwhile, the drug dealer one street over has carefully packed his stash in the car, along with his growth lights, tubing, shelves, etc., and moved everything elsewhere. Oops.

By: Kevin

Kevin — Wed, 28 Mar 2012 16:28:19 +0000

*clunk*

*drops battering ram*

Intercomm: Uhh, hello?

Police: This is the police! … Can you let us in? …Please

Heh.

By: Wiregeek

Wiregeek — Wed, 28 Mar 2012 16:09:52 +0000

I like the idea of a steel core door, especially if you have video and two way comm to the other side…

By: Difster

Difster — Wed, 28 Mar 2012 15:23:05 +0000

Wrong door raids like that are nearly impossible in Mexico. Everyone has steel doors. There are ways to get around that of course, but there are a variety of types of doors so it actually takes some planning to get through one. They can’t just kick in the doors or bang on them with one of their stupid rams and expect to get through, it doesn’t work like that.

When I move back to the US, I think I’ll be getting a steel core door with floor and ceiling bolts.