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		<title>By: Saturday Links &#124; The Agitator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Saturday Links &#124; The Agitator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2012 15:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Un Assortiment Fascinant des Articles Trouvés Enligne &#124; ICED BORSCHT</title>
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		<dc:creator>Un Assortiment Fascinant des Articles Trouvés Enligne &#124; ICED BORSCHT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2012 05:36:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Nathanael</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/03/26/taxi-cartels-in-portland/comment-page-1/#comment-3057703</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathanael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2012 03:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Notice that cartels with government licenses (regulated utilities) are the traditional &quot;right-wing&quot; solution to underprovision of public services; the traditional &quot;left-wing&quot; solution is direct government provision of public services, which is cheaper and more reliable, though it has its own problems (it tends towards OVERprovision of service).

The &quot;deregulation&quot; proposal simply doesn&#039;t deal with the problem, and leaves us with socially disastrous underprovision of public services.  It&#039;s not intellectually sane.

I&#039;d be happy to see another proposal which actually solves the problem, but I don&#039;t think there are any.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Notice that cartels with government licenses (regulated utilities) are the traditional &#8220;right-wing&#8221; solution to underprovision of public services; the traditional &#8220;left-wing&#8221; solution is direct government provision of public services, which is cheaper and more reliable, though it has its own problems (it tends towards OVERprovision of service).</p>
<p>The &#8220;deregulation&#8221; proposal simply doesn&#8217;t deal with the problem, and leaves us with socially disastrous underprovision of public services.  It&#8217;s not intellectually sane.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be happy to see another proposal which actually solves the problem, but I don&#8217;t think there are any.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathanael</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/03/26/taxi-cartels-in-portland/comment-page-1/#comment-3057695</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathanael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2012 02:59:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ohhh, I get what&#039;s going on.  Read between the lines.  The livery companies want to offer ONLY the most profitable trips, while REFUSING to take people between other points in Portland.  If the livery companies were allowed to take all the most profitable trips, then the taxi companies would go bankrupt and it would become impossible to get a taxi between two random points in Portland.

The livery companies are refusing to register as taxi companies because they don&#039;t want to serve arbitrary trips between two points in Portland.

Well, to hell with the livery companies.  Cherry-picking &quot;the best&quot; for one private company just means the government ends up having to pay for the rest of the service throughout town (LEMON SOCIALISM), or means that there is substandard, terrible taxi service in the town (which just hurts everyone).

As a *liberal* I think the way to deal with this is in fact to provide a government transportation monopoly, but the current &quot;regulated utility&quot; model of taxis works well enough; &quot;deregulation&quot; would break it and provide dreadful taxi service throughout town, like it has in so many other arenas.

Transportation is a public utility. It needs to be regulated.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ohhh, I get what&#8217;s going on.  Read between the lines.  The livery companies want to offer ONLY the most profitable trips, while REFUSING to take people between other points in Portland.  If the livery companies were allowed to take all the most profitable trips, then the taxi companies would go bankrupt and it would become impossible to get a taxi between two random points in Portland.</p>
<p>The livery companies are refusing to register as taxi companies because they don&#8217;t want to serve arbitrary trips between two points in Portland.</p>
<p>Well, to hell with the livery companies.  Cherry-picking &#8220;the best&#8221; for one private company just means the government ends up having to pay for the rest of the service throughout town (LEMON SOCIALISM), or means that there is substandard, terrible taxi service in the town (which just hurts everyone).</p>
<p>As a *liberal* I think the way to deal with this is in fact to provide a government transportation monopoly, but the current &#8220;regulated utility&#8221; model of taxis works well enough; &#8220;deregulation&#8221; would break it and provide dreadful taxi service throughout town, like it has in so many other arenas.</p>
<p>Transportation is a public utility. It needs to be regulated.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathanael</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/03/26/taxi-cartels-in-portland/comment-page-1/#comment-3057686</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathanael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2012 02:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This sort of local regulation is awful; I&#039;m with the liberal group who thinks that the worst regulations tend to come from the local level.

But what&#039;s to stop the livery companies from just becoming taxi companies?  If it&#039;s a matter of registering as a taxi company, submitting to inspections, and paying a tax or fee, why don&#039;t they just DO it?

Is it like New York City, with its indefensible medallion system designed to restrict provision of taxis and turn medallion ownership into a valuable property right?  (Property sucks.  Turning something which isn&#039;t a property right into one should only be done if there&#039;s a very good reason to.)  If there&#039;s a deliberate restriction on access to &quot;taxi&quot; status in Portland, target THAT.

If not, it makes you wonder what the livery companies are trying to avoid.  They&#039;re trying to evade something.  What is it?  Standards for quality of service?  Requirement to take street hails?


As for Apple and its proposal to throw out the street furniture, that&#039;s unjustifiable, and to hell with Apple.  If it doesn&#039;t understand the concept of public space, it had better go away.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This sort of local regulation is awful; I&#8217;m with the liberal group who thinks that the worst regulations tend to come from the local level.</p>
<p>But what&#8217;s to stop the livery companies from just becoming taxi companies?  If it&#8217;s a matter of registering as a taxi company, submitting to inspections, and paying a tax or fee, why don&#8217;t they just DO it?</p>
<p>Is it like New York City, with its indefensible medallion system designed to restrict provision of taxis and turn medallion ownership into a valuable property right?  (Property sucks.  Turning something which isn&#8217;t a property right into one should only be done if there&#8217;s a very good reason to.)  If there&#8217;s a deliberate restriction on access to &#8220;taxi&#8221; status in Portland, target THAT.</p>
<p>If not, it makes you wonder what the livery companies are trying to avoid.  They&#8217;re trying to evade something.  What is it?  Standards for quality of service?  Requirement to take street hails?</p>
<p>As for Apple and its proposal to throw out the street furniture, that&#8217;s unjustifiable, and to hell with Apple.  If it doesn&#8217;t understand the concept of public space, it had better go away.</p>
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		<title>By: croaker</title>
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		<dc:creator>croaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2012 17:28:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I doubt such a lawsuit would prevail but it would certainly garner attention.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I doubt such a lawsuit would prevail but it would certainly garner attention.</p>
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		<title>By: Marty</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/03/26/taxi-cartels-in-portland/comment-page-1/#comment-2991198</link>
		<dc:creator>Marty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2012 16:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#10- good point. I&#039;m surprised the Sam Adams Brewery hasn&#039;t filed some kind of injunction against Sam Adams the politician for acting like a douche in office and sullying their good name.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#10- good point. I&#8217;m surprised the Sam Adams Brewery hasn&#8217;t filed some kind of injunction against Sam Adams the politician for acting like a douche in office and sullying their good name.</p>
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		<title>By: picachu</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/03/26/taxi-cartels-in-portland/comment-page-1/#comment-2990396</link>
		<dc:creator>picachu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2012 14:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[JSL &quot;#2, it wouldn’t really be worth the time to do so. Sam Adams and the council are corrupt as hell.&quot;

You know what would fix that don&#039;t you? A new law that forbids anyone named after a beer from holding public office!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JSL &#8220;#2, it wouldn’t really be worth the time to do so. Sam Adams and the council are corrupt as hell.&#8221;</p>
<p>You know what would fix that don&#8217;t you? A new law that forbids anyone named after a beer from holding public office!</p>
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		<title>By: glasnost</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/03/26/taxi-cartels-in-portland/comment-page-1/#comment-2990107</link>
		<dc:creator>glasnost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2012 13:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have to agree with this more or less completely.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with this more or less completely.</p>
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		<title>By: Burgers Allday</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/03/26/taxi-cartels-in-portland/comment-page-1/#comment-2987375</link>
		<dc:creator>Burgers Allday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2012 04:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@8:  he did get interviewed for the Chasse docu Alien Boy, I think.  I had know the Wipers song, and also about Chasse, but I never connected the two.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@8:  he did get interviewed for the Chasse docu Alien Boy, I think.  I had know the Wipers song, and also about Chasse, but I never connected the two.</p>
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		<title>By: JSL</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/03/26/taxi-cartels-in-portland/comment-page-1/#comment-2987090</link>
		<dc:creator>JSL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2012 03:14:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#2, it wouldn&#039;t really be worth the time to do so. Sam Adams and the council are corrupt as hell.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#2, it wouldn&#8217;t really be worth the time to do so. Sam Adams and the council are corrupt as hell.</p>
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		<title>By: Puzzling</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/03/26/taxi-cartels-in-portland/comment-page-1/#comment-2986461</link>
		<dc:creator>Puzzling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2012 01:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Apple is seeking to put a new &quot;glass box&quot; store design in downtown Portland, knocking down part of the space formerly occupied by a Saks Fifth Avenue. Like a previous attempt in, Apple may have to shelve the project due to government objections:

http://www.ifoapplestore.com/db/2012/02/28/apple-proposes-spectacular-store-for-portland/

&lt;blockquote&gt;As for Apple’s plan to rid the sidewalk of all furniture, bike racks, benches, planters and other obstructions, both Wark and commission chair Guenevere Millius offered objections. Millius said the proposal was an “overly controlling approach to what’s in our environment.” Wark agreed, saying, “The tone of it is, let’s change everything around us so it’s our environment, and not necessarily Portland’s environment.” Millius summed it up: “I’m not sure sweeping all the street furniture out is acceptable to me. I would like some justification.” ...
&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apple is seeking to put a new &#8220;glass box&#8221; store design in downtown Portland, knocking down part of the space formerly occupied by a Saks Fifth Avenue. Like a previous attempt in, Apple may have to shelve the project due to government objections:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ifoapplestore.com/db/2012/02/28/apple-proposes-spectacular-store-for-portland/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ifoapplestore.com/db/2012/02/28/apple-proposes-spectacular-store-for-portland/</a></p>
<blockquote><p>As for Apple’s plan to rid the sidewalk of all furniture, bike racks, benches, planters and other obstructions, both Wark and commission chair Guenevere Millius offered objections. Millius said the proposal was an “overly controlling approach to what’s in our environment.” Wark agreed, saying, “The tone of it is, let’s change everything around us so it’s our environment, and not necessarily Portland’s environment.” Millius summed it up: “I’m not sure sweeping all the street furniture out is acceptable to me. I would like some justification.” &#8230;
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		<title>By: tired dog</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/03/26/taxi-cartels-in-portland/comment-page-1/#comment-2986035</link>
		<dc:creator>tired dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2012 23:41:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Portland, paradise of urban growth boundaries (the better to raise property costs beyond affordability), trams with forever tax subsides, densification and any number of top down command and control rent seeking schemes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Portland, paradise of urban growth boundaries (the better to raise property costs beyond affordability), trams with forever tax subsides, densification and any number of top down command and control rent seeking schemes.</p>
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		<title>By: Brandon</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/03/26/taxi-cartels-in-portland/comment-page-1/#comment-2984877</link>
		<dc:creator>Brandon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2012 19:27:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#3, they don&#039;t care if it boosts their revenue, they&#039;re willing to take a bare minimum profit as long as they don&#039;t have to compete for it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#3, they don&#8217;t care if it boosts their revenue, they&#8217;re willing to take a bare minimum profit as long as they don&#8217;t have to compete for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Same old Same Old</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/03/26/taxi-cartels-in-portland/comment-page-1/#comment-2984733</link>
		<dc:creator>Same old Same Old</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2012 18:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is exactly what is happening in Austin.  Same thing with no attempt to cover up the fact that it&#039;s a taxi protection measure.  And the big companies are eager to do it because they think it will boost their revenue, in contravention of Econ 101.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is exactly what is happening in Austin.  Same thing with no attempt to cover up the fact that it&#8217;s a taxi protection measure.  And the big companies are eager to do it because they think it will boost their revenue, in contravention of Econ 101.</p>
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		<title>By: picachu</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/03/26/taxi-cartels-in-portland/comment-page-1/#comment-2984477</link>
		<dc:creator>picachu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2012 17:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Perhaps any Agitator readers who live in Portland could send this story to their city council and mayor? I do that shit around here but nobody pays any attention because the stories aren&#039;t specifically about my city.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps any Agitator readers who live in Portland could send this story to their city council and mayor? I do that shit around here but nobody pays any attention because the stories aren&#8217;t specifically about my city.</p>
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		<title>By: Burgers Allday</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/03/26/taxi-cartels-in-portland/comment-page-1/#comment-2984214</link>
		<dc:creator>Burgers Allday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2012 16:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I got very sick a couple years ago trying unsuccessfully to get a cab in Portland during some unexpectedly unclement weather.

Probably just happenstance.  When a cab finally came, the driver was nice and gregarious, as they usually seem to be in Portland in my limited experience, but I was being overrun with sickness even as we rode on through the cold, rainy night together.

This is probably off-topic.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got very sick a couple years ago trying unsuccessfully to get a cab in Portland during some unexpectedly unclement weather.</p>
<p>Probably just happenstance.  When a cab finally came, the driver was nice and gregarious, as they usually seem to be in Portland in my limited experience, but I was being overrun with sickness even as we rode on through the cold, rainy night together.</p>
<p>This is probably off-topic.</p>
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