1.) Because of the drug war, minimum wage laws, public schools, and a whole bunch of other factors which should be well understood by readers of this blog, we have reached a point in history where people (especially those involved in crime prevention) are absolutely right to be afraid of young black males. No group comes close to matching their per capita output of violent crime, and it isn’t remotely racist to acknowledge that fact.

2.) For all the same reasons, young black males are absolutely right to be afraid of the police, and everyone else (especially volunteers) involved the business of crime prevention. No group comes close to suffering as much under the dead of modern American statism, and it takes no “media bias” to acknowledge that fact.

Being a libertarian is a hard thing in this world. One of the few advantages it gives you is supposed to be the prerogative of not taking sides in a mess like this. Because unless Zimmerman’s defenders and Trayvon mourner’s happen to be calling for an immediate end to drug prohibition as a modest first step in preventing incidents of this kind, they are both just full of shit.

It sounds like there’s witness testimony on both sides. I still find the “I chased the unarmed comparatively skinny kid away, and then he appeared out of nowhere and attacked me and pounded my head into the pavement, but not hard enough that I needed an ambulance” story questionable enough that I’d want to run it by a grand jury, personally.

I’m glad that there are some other law enforcement agencies checking it out given that both the girlfriend’s story and the lady who said the cops were insisting Zimmerman had cried for help when she thought it was Martin make it all sound fishy, particularly when combined with the police’s lack of effort to identify the body.

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Here’s what we know now.

http://bit.ly/GTv3qa

The cops rolled up and found the shooter injured. The shooter told them he was returning to his truck and was punched by the young man. Then the young man jumped on top of him and started slamming his head into the ground. The voice screaming for help on the 911 call was the shooter. In an effort to save his own life, he shot the young man.

All of what the shooter told the cops was supported by the evidence at the scene and by eyewitnesses who positively identified the shooter as the one on the bottom getting attacked.

The shooter was handcuffed and put in a patrol car, and the medics were sent to attend to his injuries. After the shooter was treated by the medics, they took him downtown and interviewed him.

The cops called the prosecutor and were told that they couldn’t even make a case for manslaughter and that they had to let him go.

It looks like there are two things going on here that the “Lynch the Shooter” crowd are not going to like. First, it appears to be a clear cut self defense case. A 6’3″ 180 lb football player pounding your head repeatedly into the ground fits pretty much anyone’s description of “reasonable fear of death or serious bodily injury.”

And secondly, Stand Your Ground is not implicated in any way. It is impossible to retreat when someone is on top of you holding you down. This scenario would be legal in any state where you could carry a gun, Stand Your Ground or not. When retreat is impossible, it cannot be required.

Amazing how quickly we’ve gone from “gun rights” being the right to carry and defend yourself in self-defense to the right to have absolute immunity from any legal consequences of shooting and killing another person.

That smarmy, dismissive statement irresistibly reminds me of the radio exchange between U.S. troops involved in the Baghdad massacre documented in the “Collateral Murder” video.
Eleven Iraqis were massacred in the unprovoked attack, and several others – including two small children – were seriously wounded.

“Well, it’s their fault for bringing kids into a battle,” one of the murderers snarkily insisted when informed that small children were among the victims.
Loggins’s widow gave birth to another daughter at about the same time she buried her husband.

It’s already started to go bad, the second Obama said anything about the case is the second any justice for Martin went out the window.

1. You have idiot liberals trying to frame this as the “wild west” scenario to attack gun rights

2. Idiot conservatives who will pull the politically correct card in saying that this was another minority trying to get over on the law. (when in fact the kid was clean and his issue in school was being tardy, hardly a hood rat/gang banger) as some are trying to push it on conservative websites.

3. Paleocons attempting to figure out who to attack in this. Minorities in general or immigration because Zimmerman being hispanic who had a few run ins with the law himself.

I would say I’m surprised but I wouldn’t be cynical now would I? That those who are normally quick to call for a jail them are now all of a sudden for calling for restraint in wanting Zimmerman’s head. Had Zimmerman been Muslim I strongly doubt those calls would be being made.

The police test Martin’s body for drugs and but don’t test Zimmerman until much later? Where’s the logic there which could also play into the neighborhood watch aka wannabe government thugs angle.

The New Black Panthers just put icing on the cake, makes me wonder if La Raza will show up.

I want Martin and his family get justice because it seems that the states thugs were not interested in doing a proper investigation because it could end up making them look like scum (granted they already are) themselves. However as the golden rule says;

Once an issue becomes political, it no longer becomes about the issue.

The New Black Panthers are now calling for his “capture” for $10,000. Some are saying they’ve seen posters asking for Zimmerman’s capture “dead or alive”.

Oh boy… This is going to get really bad.

So either the killer committed a crime or the dead person did. Either way, there’s a criminal. The Sanford police didn’t seem interested in figuring out who it was.

Thanks for sharing that. It was a great read.

http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2012/03/treyvon-martin-and-cult-of-government.html

The fact that you have such empathy with the killer tells me more than I want to know about you.

A phone call where the shooter finds someone ‘suspicious’ who is simply walking down the street, who then mouths, ‘they always get away’, and then goes after him despite being told not to (and let’s not split hairs about that please), who has a gun, who is then found having shot the other person, while a witness who’s phone records are verified says that she was told by the victim that he was scared and ran, which was observed on the initial phone call…….

I think DOES BLOODY WELL establish probable cause that the shooter may have committed manslaughter and/or premeditated murder.

In fact, I’ll do you one better, I think that these facts alone come very close to establishing beyond a reasonable doubt that either of these two crimes were committed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoKW7dl_dm0

They say that the prosecutor told them they didn’t have enough evidence for a manslaughter conviction. They say that the evidence indicates that the dead youth was the aggressor. They say that the day they took the audio to the young man’s father, dad said it wasn’t his voice.

We still need to wait for a final decision, either at the evidentiary hearing, the Grand Jury, or a trial. But as I’ve said, we were only getting one side of the story, and we were getting it from people who were motivated by things other than a sincere desire to see justice done.

What makes you think that that’s what he said? You said all the experts you heard couldn’t tell what he said, and I pointed out an expert that said he said, “fucking punks”.

“I think the hoodie is as much responsible for Trayvon Martin’s death as George Zimmerman was.”

Races are imaginary constructs based on minor superficial differences in humans. With that said, someone referring to the “hispanic race” is usually talking about the relatively new “race” that arose when Europeans mixed with Mesoamericans and South Americans.