Comments on: Internal Report Confirms That NYPD Underreported Crimes

By: Liberals, what am missing here...??? - Page 3

Liberals, what am missing here...??? - Page 3 — Thu, 27 Sep 2012 02:25:18 +0000

[...] document.write(''); OX.requestAd({"auid":"33502"}); Originally Posted by BC1 Holy smokes! I had no idea. I stand corrected. I found this statistic as well –> In 2009, among the 182 U.S. cities with populations of more than 100,000, New York City ranked 136th in overall crime. While crime rates have stopped decreasing for a decade in the rest of the United States, in New York the murder rate for 2009 is at an all time low of 466, more than a 10% decline from the previous year, and the lowest count during the period that crime statistics have been recorded. Source: NYC Daily News – 2009 homicides in New York City are fewest since 1963 —> 2009 homicides in New York City are fewest since 1963 – NY Daily News True enough, and that's down to the trauma ER saving lives imo. Also, the NYPD have a bit of a history of fudging numbers. Internal Report Confirms That NYPD Underreported Crimes | The Agitator [...]

By: Government as a principal-agent problem « Blunt Object

Government as a principal-agent problem « Blunt Object — Mon, 16 Apr 2012 19:27:44 +0000

[...] problem it’s the kind of policing the people get. Edit: It seems to me that this story about the NYPD ignoring serious crimes and generating spurious drug-possession arrests vi… is about as good an example as it gets of the principal-agent-agent-agent problem in [...]

By: Russ 2000

Russ 2000 — Wed, 21 Mar 2012 01:50:04 +0000

So when we read about crime rates dropping, should we assume the stats are bullshit? Every side – Repub, Dem, Libertarian, etc – likes to mention lower crime rates when its convenient for their arguments. Its gotten to the point that government stats, good or bad, simply cant be trusted.

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Mon, 19 Mar 2012 15:58:21 +0000

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By: Boyd Durkin

Boyd Durkin — Mon, 19 Mar 2012 14:56:57 +0000

I predict no heads will roll over this. Promotions for everyone!

By: markm

markm — Mon, 19 Mar 2012 01:41:42 +0000

These results are “entirely predictable” only if you think the higher ranks in the department are lying, amoral, dishonorable scum.

By: Herom

Herom — Mon, 19 Mar 2012 01:37:06 +0000

@#10: I haven’t read his book, but from his interviews it seemed like his theory was built primarily on the decrease in warfare over time. As such, I doubt falsification of NYPD crime statistics would make much of a difference. Of course, if a big part of his thesis was NYPD crime statistics, then it would certainly undermine his argument.

By: Herom

Herom — Mon, 19 Mar 2012 01:33:44 +0000

Sadly typical. Why do the work and be honest, when you can not do the work, lie about the stats, and get rewarded for it? Any time you decide to judge people on self-reported statistics, there are going to be people gaming the system. We’ve seen it with Blair’s privatization and “Incentivization” program in NHS, we’ve seen it in the spread of funding-determining diagnostic testing in the US, we’ve seen it in the CDO and mortgage debacle that brought the global economy crashing down, we’ve seen it with the War on Drugs and more recently with the ICE campaign, and now, tragically, we’re finding out the same dynamic is probably at play in how police forces “deal” with major crimes by not investigating them. If you’re going to oversee people with statistics, you need to have a robust and active group of auditors, divorced as much as possible from the people they are meant to keep honest; the joke that Internal Affairs has become proves that.

By: Nancy Lebovitz

Nancy Lebovitz — Mon, 19 Mar 2012 01:30:38 +0000

I wonder where this leaves Stephen Pinker’s theory about people becoming less violent.

By: Dante

Dante — Mon, 19 Mar 2012 00:39:53 +0000

I bet the NYPD would report the crimes if the suspect was Muslim.

And living in New Jersey…

By: Robert

Robert — Mon, 19 Mar 2012 00:28:56 +0000

And it’s happening all over the country. Do not trust official gov crime figures.

By: picachu

picachu — Sun, 18 Mar 2012 22:14:24 +0000

primus “We the people are the ultimate bosses.”

Hahahaahahahahahahahhahahahaaha!

By: primus

primus — Sun, 18 Mar 2012 21:48:11 +0000

We the people are the ultimate bosses. If an employee in private industry were to be caught significantly misleading the bosses as to their progress and success, they would be fired on the spot. To act against the interests of the state is treason. When an employee of the state deliberately misleads the bosses, why is that not treason? If I recall, treason is one of only a few offences for which the punishment is death.

By: Ricky

Ricky — Sun, 18 Mar 2012 19:49:14 +0000

The NYPD are simply trying to be pro-active. Why investigate rapes, robberies, and assaults that have already happened, when you can potentially prevent rapes, robberies, and assaults by randomly stopping and frisking people?

Only people with something to hide would oppose this effective program, that has saved or created an estimated 400 people a year.

By: Marty

Marty — Sun, 18 Mar 2012 19:32:49 +0000

the propaganda and public relations sales pitches will continue to be built on the lies these stats support and it’ll be told until these stats are ‘facts’ that are all but impossible to disprove. “Don’t be haters!”

By: SJE

SJE — Sun, 18 Mar 2012 19:20:46 +0000

I’d like to see Schoolcraft promoted to a very senior position in the NYPD, investigating and dismissing officers who engage in this sort of B.S. Schoolcraft has shown he embodies the culture of ethics we should demand of all of our public officers.

By: John P.

John P. — Sun, 18 Mar 2012 19:16:52 +0000

Its not just NYPD. Nashville PD and Memphis PD both got caught by the FBI for under reporting crimes recently. Last year IIRC…

Cops lie as a matter of form. They do it so often they begin to think its acceptable to lie all the time.

I’m reading two books right now.

First one is called “Mistakes Were Made, (But Not By Me)”, written by Carl Tavris and another called “Without A Conscience– The Disturbing World Of The Psychopaths Among Us” by Robert Hare.

And WOW! all I can say is the descriptions of the acts and the behavior of people profiled in both these books, fit police to a proverbial “T”.

Our country deserves its police just like it deserves its elected officials.

We get the .gov we deserve.

By: Slappy Gunderson

Slappy Gunderson — Sun, 18 Mar 2012 19:16:51 +0000

Radley-

Ray Kelly is the Police Commissioner, not a uniformed chief.

The police commissioner is appointed by the mayor (Bloomberg) whereas NYPD chiefs are promoted from within the uniformed ranks of the NYPD by the police commissioner (Kelly).