Afternoon Links

Thursday, March 15th, 2012

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  1. #1 |  rapscallion | 

    From the Oregon shooting:

    “Police also said that the officers “repeatedly identified themselves as law enforcement officers.””

    ““Portland Lt. Robert King… declined to answer whether the tactical officers had identified themselves as police outside Flores’ home.””

    Looks like not everyone has gotten the memo yet that they all identified themselves.

  2. #2 |  Yizmo Gizmo | 

    “Two young girls watch a Scooby Doo cartoon projected on the wall of the Cherokee Point Elementary cafeteria after they are arrested during a March 2010 curfew sweep in City Heights.”

    Glad to see they are going after the most hardened elements of the curfew offenders rather than just indiscriminately arresting young people.
    I’m sure the parents are happy these Scooby Dooers now have
    criminal records.

  3. #3 |  Onlooker | 

    Wow, we sure have created some mutants in the dog world. WTF?

  4. #4 |  Onlooker | 

    From the Oregon story: “Ibarra said a stranger came through the home, and left through the front door.”

    WTF? And no further mention of that in the story. One of these special forces wanne bes goes traipsing through their house on the way to serve a warrant on another house? He’s lucky he didn’t get shot. This is all really very much out of control.

  5. #5 |  Nando | 

    Extradition Case: So, the young man followed the laws of the country he was in, but the US can extradite him because his LEGAL actions in the UK are illegal in the U.S.? I can’t believe the UK agreed to the extradition.

  6. #6 |  BamBam | 

    San Diego policy of enforcing curfew by rounding up, cuffing, sometimes arresting hundreds of kids doesn’t do much to prevent crime.

    The goal (of police) is not to prevent crime, despite what they say. Actions count, and thus their goal is to intimidate and destroy innocent people.

  7. #7 |  Mattocracy | 

    “U.S. asserts global jurisdiction to extradite U.K. citizen”

    Nothing like violating another nations sovereignty to remind you that America is the land of the freedom and liberty.

  8. #8 |  BamBam | 

    @4, nothing to see here, move along.

  9. #9 |  Jay | 

    Nando (#5),

    I live in the UK. There is hardly any freedom or civil liberties here any longer. Thought police, CCTV, enormously excessive tax, incredibly high house and property prices, European technocrats running everything. China is perhaps more free and more fair. The only exception is that we can still complain about the government (for now), whereas in China it’s to be avoided. At least China will refuse to extradite its citizens. The UK abdicated its responsibilities to the US back when Bush was in office.

  10. #10 |  Charlie O | 

    While Sgt. Pete Simpson said early today “there was an exchange of gunfire,” police said later this afternoon that detectives have not determined if Flores-Haro fired any shots at police. Police also said that the officers “repeatedly identified themselves as law enforcement officers.”

    I don’t fucking believe a word of that for two seconds. Typical CYA by the bad guys. These guys terrorized a neighborhood, shot an innocent man and forced the rest of his family out of their home in the middle of the night at gunpoint. Why the fuck is anyone in the United States afraid of Al Quaida when you got this shit going on? Islamic terrorists are WAAAAAY down on my list of things to worry about in this country.

    And Santorum. Really? Pornography? That’s the big issue of the day? A multi billion dollar business enterprise in this country. And he wants to shut that down? What happened to the GOP crap about less government, the free market, etc. The porn business is the free market working at its finest. Hell, a huge amount of internet innovation came to be because of the porn industry. He oughta to be putting them for an award. What a POS. Anyone, I mean, anyone who supports this religious zealot papist, opus dei believing moron should turn in their Constitution.

  11. #11 |  Mario | 

    “Cops shoot good neighbor.” That should be the headline.

  12. #12 |  Brandon | 

    Charlie, Santorum has been pretty upfront about wanting to be president so that he can impose a theocracy. The fact that he has gotten more primary votes than Ron Paul is disturbing.

  13. #13 |  croaker | 

    @10 Santorum thinks he’s a good Catholic.

    What he really is: Neamiah Scudder given life and breath.

  14. #14 |  Helmut O' Hooligan | 

    #9 Jay: “China is perhaps more free and more fair.”

    I don’t know. But, at least the Chinese KNOW that they are not living in a free, democratic society. If people aren’t deluded as to the intentions of their government, then they can act accordingly. In other words, they know which boundaries not to cross (at least publicly) and they can live their lives in spite of the state.

  15. #15 |  BamBam | 

    Santorum repeatedly voted for the bailouts. The guy has a long record of being a hypocrite and a scumbag.

  16. #16 |  BamBam | 

    “the bailouts” should read “bailouts”. I didn’t think about “the bailouts” means THE BIG ONES that are in recent memory.

  17. #17 |  Jay | 

    Helmut (#14)

    Exactly. Our western “demockeries” merely pretend that we’re free. I’m glad to be “kind of free” but incensed to see the almost-daily erosion of our civil liberties — in the name of terror, or health care, or whatever… I’m not certain I could be happy in China or in any society where government oppresses free speech. But I’m not happy here in the UK, nor was I happy in the US. I’m so tired of elected officials dictating policy views which affect my lifestyle. God dam it, already. Stay out of my life!

  18. #18 |  nigmalg | 

    This in combination with Santorum’s abortion stance means one thing..

    Rick Santorum wants more rape babies.

  19. #19 |  Lee | 

    Interesting op-ed on how eating deer leaves less of a blood footprint than a soy burger:

  20. #20 |  Charlie O | 

    Jay and Helmut:

    I with you on China. My sister lives in Nanjing and loves it. She’s been there over seven years now. I would rather be there and know where I stand than be governed by the two-faced hypocrite scumbags running the US. We’re fed this crap about “freedom” and “exceptionalism” to the point it makes me want to puke. What we have is an oligarchy and police state. Law enforcement has become an occupying army in this country and you better damn well do what they tell you or you’ll end up dead or out on the curb in your skivvies. Just ask the Flores-Haro family. I’m tired of the bullshit being fed to me by politicians in this country. Land of the free, home of the brave my ass.

  21. #21 |  Blaze Miskulin | 

    Re: China

    I currently live in China (near Shanghai), and it’s a far more libertarian country than the US on everything except the national level.

    There are no smoking laws, no seatbelt laws, no helmet laws. There are few business laws, and it’s easy to get a license to operate. Small businesses rise and fall all on their own, without protectionism or barriers.

    There are police everywhere, but they’re basically mall-cops. They don’t carry guns and they don’t harass people; mostly they just direct traffic, issue parking tickets (rarely), and file a report when there’s a traffic accident.

    While I am 100% for freedom of speech and the ability to speak out against your government, how often do you need to do that in your daily life? You’ll hear plenty of people here saying that the government is corrupt or doing the wrong thing, they just don’t shout it from the street corners. They accept that government is corrupt and go about their business; if you don’t provoke the dragon, it leaves you alone.

  22. #22 |  croaker | 

    Why do I get the feeling that if Santorum was asked about female circumcision he’d say it’s a good idea?

  23. #23 |  Leah | 

    #18 nigmalg – He does indeed it seems, particularly if you cross-reference those comments with his comments in January about rape babies being a gift from God and women should “make the best of a bad situation” (by having the baby of their rapist).

    And yet people are still voting for him.

  24. #24 |  Jeremy | 

    Charlie, the reason why the GOP seems so hypocritical about limited government is because the party has never really been a supporter of limited government to begin with. They’ve just abandoned their original progressive reformism.

    On the other hand, I still think a ban on Internet porn would more likely happen under a Democratic administration.

  25. #25 |  Kate | 

    Oh Rick. You’ve come up with a pretty sweet plan to spend probably billions of taxpayer dollars to eradicate a multibillion dollar industry that receives no government subsidies (to the best of my knowledge, but who knows about california!). Religious fundamentalists all over the country will be freed of this sinister addiction, as they finally get boners for their flannel nightgown clad wives. Glorious fumblings in the dark will give way to a new generation of premature ejaculators who don’t give a shit about my clitoris or where it may be, and America will be perfect once again.

    And he’s winning. America, I love you but you’re bringing me down.

  26. #26 |  Andrew Roth | 

    Two thoughts on the San Diego Police curfew sweeps:

    1) They’re not the makings of a good police force. They’re exactly the sort of activity that repels decent, empathetic, normative people and attracts officious shitheads. There’s no way for an agency to become known for such procedures and not have the quality of its applicant pool and academy classes deteriorate.

    2) Where the hell did the SDPD find the manpower for this bullshit? Until recently, it cruised along for years below its already low authorized strength, apparently pretending to be more desperate than it actually was to fill its openings. This is an agency that routinely deployed officers solo to places where they could not get prompt backup, had officers routinely fielding thirty service calls a night (one every twenty minutes in a ten-hour shift), and whose cops were apparently too busy to take crime reports. I mean that literally; it sounded for all the world like they weren’t lazy but swamped. In that context, the SDPD’s very ability to get enough bodies for neighborhood-wide curfew sweeps is just weird.

    This is the first time that I’m unambivalently glad that the SDPD rejected me for sworn employment.

  27. #27 |  Pam | 

    For someone who is so against sex, it seems to be all Rick Santorum thinks about.

  28. #28 |  picachu | 

    Universal jurisdiction is scary. The US government seems hell bent on becoming the one world government. But hey, what can go wrong. I mean, its just almost absolute power concentrated in the hands of a few.

  29. #29 |  Boyd Durkin | 

    Our western “demockeries” merely pretend that we’re free.

    The Magic Show: let people choose and they’ll think they have a choice!

    San Diego policy of enforcing curfew…kids

    Great practice for "all citizens safety and anti-terrorism curfews"!

  30. #30 |  Boyd Durkin | 


    Where were you when I needed you?

  31. #31 |  Maria | 

    The fact that Santorum has gotten the traction and support that he has is frankly one of the more disturbing elements of this election cycle.,27518/ … I wish.

  32. #32 |  EJ | 

    The paramilitaries in the Oregon story are called the “Tactical Negotiation Squad”.

    Copspeak never disappoints.

  33. #33 |  Leon Wolfeson | 

    @5 – Actually, it’s very arguably illegal here. There’s a fine involved. (As in, thousands)

    Which makes it MORE ridiculous, not less. The UK government has refused to allow him to be charged here.

    (Again, the UK government is NOT the government you’re looking for…)

  34. #34 |  KBCraig | 

    “Washington County Tactical Negotiations Team”, huh? That kind of negotiation sounds familiar….