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	<description>It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do.</description>
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		<title>By: DavidST</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2012 04:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The taxi medallion thing makes me furious to think of it.]]></description>
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		<title>By: Hal_10000</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hal_10000</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2012 15:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, man.  Making Wendy Murphy look like a fool is so sweet.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, man.  Making Wendy Murphy look like a fool is so sweet.</p>
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		<title>By: Pam</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2012 14:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;watcha ya doin&#039; pigs?&quot; lol]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;watcha ya doin&#8217; pigs?&#8221; lol</p>
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		<title>By: Robert L</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2012 13:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[... when a government makes war on its people (or should that be &quot;subjects&quot;?)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; when a government makes war on its people (or should that be &#8220;subjects&#8221;?)</p>
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		<title>By: Not Sure</title>
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		<dc:creator>Not Sure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2012 02:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Hmm, if only the case had been judged by a small group of random people with no connection to the government or the landowner. We could call them a “jury” perhaps. Then, in a perfect world, they would hear facts and information and testimony (we might call this “evidence”) and then they would sit and think about what they’d heard and decide who was right.&lt;/i&gt;

From &quot;Roughing It,&quot; by Mark Twain

I remember one of those sorrowful farces, in Virginia which we call a jury trial. A noted desperado killed Mr. B., a good citizen, in the most wanton and cold-blooded way. Of course the papers were full of it, and all men capable of reading read about it. And of course all men not deaf and dumb and idiotic talked about it. A jury list was made out, and Mr. B.L., a prominent banker and a valued citizen, was questioned precisely as he would have been questioned in any court in America: 
      &quot;Have you heard of this homicide?&quot; 
      &quot;Yes.&quot; 
      &quot;Have you held conversations upon the subject?&#039; 
      &quot;Yes.&quot; 
      &quot;Have you formed or expressed opinions about it?&quot; 
      &quot;Yes.&quot; 
      &quot;Have you read the newspaper accounts of it?&quot; 
      &quot;Yes.&quot; 
      &quot;We do not want you.&quot; 
      A minister, intelligent, esteemed, and greatly respected; a merchant of high character and known probity; a mining superintendent of intelligence and unblemished reputation; a quartz-mill owner of excellent standing, were all questioned in the same way, and all set aside. Each said the public talk and the newspaper reports had not so biased his mind but that sworn testimony would overthrow his previously formed opinion and enable him to render a verdict without prejudice and in accordance with the facts. But of course, such men could not be trusted with the case. Ignoramuses alone could mete out unsullied justice. 

      When the peremptory challenges were all exhausted, a jury of twelve men was empaneled -- a jury who swore they had neither heard, read, talked about, nor expressed an opinion concerning a murder which the very cattle in the corrals, the Indians in the sagebrush, and the stones in the streets were cognizant of! It was a jury composed of two desperadoes, two low beerhouse politicians, three barkeepers, two ranchmen who could not read, and three dull, stupid, human donkeys! It actually came out afterward that one of these latter thought that incest and arson were the same thing. 
      
   The verdict rendered by this jury was, Not Guilty. What else could one expect? 

      The jury system puts a ban upon intelligence and honesty, and a premium upon ignorance, stupidity, and perjury. It is a shame that we must continue to use a worthless system because it was good a thousand years ago. In this age, when a gentleman of high social standing, intelligence, and probity swears that testimony given under solemn oath will outweigh, with him, street talk and newspaper reports based upon mere hearsay, he is worth a hundred jurymen who will swear to their own ignorance and stupidity, and justice would be far safer in his hands than in theirs. Why could not the jury law be so altered as to give men of brains and honesty an equal chance with fools and miscreants? Is it right to show the present favoritism to one class of men and inflict a disability on another, in a land whose boast is that all its citizens are free and equal? I am a candidate for the legislature, I desire to tamper with the jury law. I wish to so alter it as to put a premium on intelligence and character, and close the jury box against idiots, backlogs, and people who do not read newspapers. But no doubt I shall be defeated -- every effort I make to save the country &quot;misses fire.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Hmm, if only the case had been judged by a small group of random people with no connection to the government or the landowner. We could call them a “jury” perhaps. Then, in a perfect world, they would hear facts and information and testimony (we might call this “evidence”) and then they would sit and think about what they’d heard and decide who was right.</i></p>
<p>From &#8220;Roughing It,&#8221; by Mark Twain</p>
<p>I remember one of those sorrowful farces, in Virginia which we call a jury trial. A noted desperado killed Mr. B., a good citizen, in the most wanton and cold-blooded way. Of course the papers were full of it, and all men capable of reading read about it. And of course all men not deaf and dumb and idiotic talked about it. A jury list was made out, and Mr. B.L., a prominent banker and a valued citizen, was questioned precisely as he would have been questioned in any court in America:<br />
      &#8220;Have you heard of this homicide?&#8221;<br />
      &#8220;Yes.&#8221;<br />
      &#8220;Have you held conversations upon the subject?&#8217;<br />
      &#8220;Yes.&#8221;<br />
      &#8220;Have you formed or expressed opinions about it?&#8221;<br />
      &#8220;Yes.&#8221;<br />
      &#8220;Have you read the newspaper accounts of it?&#8221;<br />
      &#8220;Yes.&#8221;<br />
      &#8220;We do not want you.&#8221;<br />
      A minister, intelligent, esteemed, and greatly respected; a merchant of high character and known probity; a mining superintendent of intelligence and unblemished reputation; a quartz-mill owner of excellent standing, were all questioned in the same way, and all set aside. Each said the public talk and the newspaper reports had not so biased his mind but that sworn testimony would overthrow his previously formed opinion and enable him to render a verdict without prejudice and in accordance with the facts. But of course, such men could not be trusted with the case. Ignoramuses alone could mete out unsullied justice. </p>
<p>      When the peremptory challenges were all exhausted, a jury of twelve men was empaneled &#8212; a jury who swore they had neither heard, read, talked about, nor expressed an opinion concerning a murder which the very cattle in the corrals, the Indians in the sagebrush, and the stones in the streets were cognizant of! It was a jury composed of two desperadoes, two low beerhouse politicians, three barkeepers, two ranchmen who could not read, and three dull, stupid, human donkeys! It actually came out afterward that one of these latter thought that incest and arson were the same thing. </p>
<p>   The verdict rendered by this jury was, Not Guilty. What else could one expect? </p>
<p>      The jury system puts a ban upon intelligence and honesty, and a premium upon ignorance, stupidity, and perjury. It is a shame that we must continue to use a worthless system because it was good a thousand years ago. In this age, when a gentleman of high social standing, intelligence, and probity swears that testimony given under solemn oath will outweigh, with him, street talk and newspaper reports based upon mere hearsay, he is worth a hundred jurymen who will swear to their own ignorance and stupidity, and justice would be far safer in his hands than in theirs. Why could not the jury law be so altered as to give men of brains and honesty an equal chance with fools and miscreants? Is it right to show the present favoritism to one class of men and inflict a disability on another, in a land whose boast is that all its citizens are free and equal? I am a candidate for the legislature, I desire to tamper with the jury law. I wish to so alter it as to put a premium on intelligence and character, and close the jury box against idiots, backlogs, and people who do not read newspapers. But no doubt I shall be defeated &#8212; every effort I make to save the country &#8220;misses fire.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Howard Norris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Howard Norris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2012 17:10:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Did you see Stossel&#039;s report on DUIs?  It makes statistics on such arrest seem all the more suspect: http://lawblog.legalmatch.com/2012/03/13/simple-blunder-puts-1000-california-dui-convictions-risk/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you see Stossel&#8217;s report on DUIs?  It makes statistics on such arrest seem all the more suspect: <a href="http://lawblog.legalmatch.com/2012/03/13/simple-blunder-puts-1000-california-dui-convictions-risk/" rel="nofollow">http://lawblog.legalmatch.com/2012/03/13/simple-blunder-puts-1000-california-dui-convictions-risk/</a></p>
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		<title>By: fwb</title>
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		<dc:creator>fwb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2012 16:36:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In Las Vegas, NM, the town is unable to fix a dam that contains water for the town.  The dam leaks and formed a &quot;wetlands&quot;.  The feds say it cannot be fixed.   And of course, no one in the state has the balls to tell the feds to F.O.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Las Vegas, NM, the town is unable to fix a dam that contains water for the town.  The dam leaks and formed a &#8220;wetlands&#8221;.  The feds say it cannot be fixed.   And of course, no one in the state has the balls to tell the feds to F.O.</p>
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		<title>By: fwb</title>
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		<dc:creator>fwb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2012 16:34:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The fight will be long.   99% of all federal criminal laws are UNCONSTITUTIONAL.  Don&#039;t believe me?  I ask you, why are Article I, section 8, paragraphs 6, 8, &amp; 10 and Article II, Section 3, Paragraph 2 EVEN in the Constitution if the federal government has the legitimate authority to criminalize activities of all types WITHOUT any grant of power?  IF the &quot;necessary and proper&quot; clause grants police power, why are the first mentioned paragraphs in the Constitution in the EXACT same section are the N&amp;P clause?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fight will be long.   99% of all federal criminal laws are UNCONSTITUTIONAL.  Don&#8217;t believe me?  I ask you, why are Article I, section 8, paragraphs 6, 8, &amp; 10 and Article II, Section 3, Paragraph 2 EVEN in the Constitution if the federal government has the legitimate authority to criminalize activities of all types WITHOUT any grant of power?  IF the &#8220;necessary and proper&#8221; clause grants police power, why are the first mentioned paragraphs in the Constitution in the EXACT same section are the N&amp;P clause?</p>
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		<title>By: fwb</title>
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		<dc:creator>fwb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2012 16:18:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Remember, the lemonade stand issue is often caused by local businesspeople who don&#039;t want competition.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember, the lemonade stand issue is often caused by local businesspeople who don&#8217;t want competition.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2012 15:45:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That this type of non-sense is democratically popular boggles my mind.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That this type of non-sense is democratically popular boggles my mind.</p>
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		<title>By: Juice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Juice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2012 15:25:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This video is very well put together and would be a great wake-up tool for democrat types, if only it weren&#039;t done by John Stossel. If someone else were to do this exact expose and not be John Stossel, it would wake a million people up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This video is very well put together and would be a great wake-up tool for democrat types, if only it weren&#8217;t done by John Stossel. If someone else were to do this exact expose and not be John Stossel, it would wake a million people up.</p>
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		<title>By: Highway</title>
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		<dc:creator>Highway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2012 15:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bart, that&#039;s exactly right.  A lot depends on how long the condition has been present, and that&#039;s due mostly to the biological processes for the soil conditions. If an area is flooded due to a blocked or incorrectly designed or installed culvert, it may get wet immediately, and it may provide habitat for some aggressive colonizing wetland plants, like cattails or common reeds, within a few months but it&#039;s still not technically a wetland. But if it stays like that for a decade or two, it&#039;s possible it can develop the soils and become a &#039;true&#039; wetland. Or for whatever reason, you could get some really high value wetland plants or other habitat in there. So if you get to it before 1) anyone notices and/or 2) before the soil conditions develop or the other plants or animals move in, then you&#039;re able to &#039;fix&#039; the &#039;drainage&#039; problem without repercussion.

Also, unfortunately, it depends a lot on who actually does the work to &#039;fix&#039; the &#039;problem&#039; (I put &#039;fix&#039; and &#039;problem&#039; in scare quotes, because these are not problems to be fixed from the perspective of the environmental agencies).  If the county or state were to have cleared the blockages from that culvert, it&#039;s likely that the agencies would have tut-tutted them, maybe even fined them one time, and then dropped it.  Maybe they&#039;d have required a future mitigation somewhere else, or even right there, but that would be the maximum extent of it.  And in the context of a municipality or government agency, that&#039;s a hardship, but not a huge one.  But because this was a private owner, and they don&#039;t really have much clout, they get put through the ringer.

PeeDub: That&#039;s exactly how lots of wetlands have been created, intentionally and unintentionally.  And they count just like &#039;natural&#039; wetlands, most of the time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bart, that&#8217;s exactly right.  A lot depends on how long the condition has been present, and that&#8217;s due mostly to the biological processes for the soil conditions. If an area is flooded due to a blocked or incorrectly designed or installed culvert, it may get wet immediately, and it may provide habitat for some aggressive colonizing wetland plants, like cattails or common reeds, within a few months but it&#8217;s still not technically a wetland. But if it stays like that for a decade or two, it&#8217;s possible it can develop the soils and become a &#8216;true&#8217; wetland. Or for whatever reason, you could get some really high value wetland plants or other habitat in there. So if you get to it before 1) anyone notices and/or 2) before the soil conditions develop or the other plants or animals move in, then you&#8217;re able to &#8216;fix&#8217; the &#8216;drainage&#8217; problem without repercussion.</p>
<p>Also, unfortunately, it depends a lot on who actually does the work to &#8216;fix&#8217; the &#8216;problem&#8217; (I put &#8216;fix&#8217; and &#8216;problem&#8217; in scare quotes, because these are not problems to be fixed from the perspective of the environmental agencies).  If the county or state were to have cleared the blockages from that culvert, it&#8217;s likely that the agencies would have tut-tutted them, maybe even fined them one time, and then dropped it.  Maybe they&#8217;d have required a future mitigation somewhere else, or even right there, but that would be the maximum extent of it.  And in the context of a municipality or government agency, that&#8217;s a hardship, but not a huge one.  But because this was a private owner, and they don&#8217;t really have much clout, they get put through the ringer.</p>
<p>PeeDub: That&#8217;s exactly how lots of wetlands have been created, intentionally and unintentionally.  And they count just like &#8216;natural&#8217; wetlands, most of the time.</p>
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		<title>By: PeeDub</title>
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		<dc:creator>PeeDub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2012 14:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think I just found a way for the government to create a lot more wetlands.  Faulty drain installation for everyone!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I just found a way for the government to create a lot more wetlands.  Faulty drain installation for everyone!!</p>
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		<title>By: Bart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2012 14:06:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Highway,

If understand you correctly it is not a crime if the original state of the property is highlands (no wetlands).  Then someone builds a drainage system adjacent to your property, and over time, due to poor maintenance the drainage system floods your property. (No crime here.)

it however is a crime if you then do the required maintenance on the drainage system, removing the floodwaters and then develop your land - which was originally highlands.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Highway,</p>
<p>If understand you correctly it is not a crime if the original state of the property is highlands (no wetlands).  Then someone builds a drainage system adjacent to your property, and over time, due to poor maintenance the drainage system floods your property. (No crime here.)</p>
<p>it however is a crime if you then do the required maintenance on the drainage system, removing the floodwaters and then develop your land &#8211; which was originally highlands.</p>
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		<title>By: Highway</title>
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		<dc:creator>Highway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2012 13:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It would be interesting to find out if the land actually meets *all* of the criteria for a wetland.  It&#039;s supposed to before they declare it to be one.  It&#039;s not just whether there&#039;s water there, or the ground is soggy.  There are (subjective) tests for hydrology, correct soils, and plant life that are supposed to work together to determine both the presence of a wetland and the quality of that wetland.  

And if it does meet those criteria, then yes, the act of unblocking the drainage pipe and draining the surrounding areas was against the rules. It doesn&#039;t matter why there was a wetland there.  It obviously existed prior to their ownership of the land, and was removed by their actions. You can argue &quot;Well, they just unblocked the pipe, they just cut a ditch, they just put in a pipe&quot; when discussing wetland drainage, but they&#039;re a reality that you have to work with.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be interesting to find out if the land actually meets *all* of the criteria for a wetland.  It&#8217;s supposed to before they declare it to be one.  It&#8217;s not just whether there&#8217;s water there, or the ground is soggy.  There are (subjective) tests for hydrology, correct soils, and plant life that are supposed to work together to determine both the presence of a wetland and the quality of that wetland.  </p>
<p>And if it does meet those criteria, then yes, the act of unblocking the drainage pipe and draining the surrounding areas was against the rules. It doesn&#8217;t matter why there was a wetland there.  It obviously existed prior to their ownership of the land, and was removed by their actions. You can argue &#8220;Well, they just unblocked the pipe, they just cut a ditch, they just put in a pipe&#8221; when discussing wetland drainage, but they&#8217;re a reality that you have to work with.</p>
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		<title>By: Maria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2012 13:22:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@#14 So what happened was that they cleaned up something the government didn&#039;t want to clean up. This stopped the flooding of their property. This enabled them to level and grade their land so they could build and farm on it? Yep. Sleazy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@#14 So what happened was that they cleaned up something the government didn&#8217;t want to clean up. This stopped the flooding of their property. This enabled them to level and grade their land so they could build and farm on it? Yep. Sleazy.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Dempsey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack Dempsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2012 13:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@#23 Right.  As is the BLM.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@#23 Right.  As is the BLM.</p>
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		<title>By: Marty</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/03/14/youre-going-to-jail/comment-page-1/#comment-2907739</link>
		<dc:creator>Marty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2012 12:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[the army corps of engineers is one of the ugliest monstrosities in govt.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the army corps of engineers is one of the ugliest monstrosities in govt.</p>
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		<title>By: Bart</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/03/14/youre-going-to-jail/comment-page-1/#comment-2907693</link>
		<dc:creator>Bart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2012 12:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;What really happened&quot; I don&#039;t know.

But I will tell you that it is quite common for man-made drainage canals and ditches built by the government alongside roads to create wetlands on adjoining property.  

The wetland wouldn&#039;t be there if the government hadn&#039;t built the ditch or maintained it properly, but that doesn&#039;t matter once they classify your land as a wetland.  You&#039;re sunk.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What really happened&#8221; I don&#8217;t know.</p>
<p>But I will tell you that it is quite common for man-made drainage canals and ditches built by the government alongside roads to create wetlands on adjoining property.  </p>
<p>The wetland wouldn&#8217;t be there if the government hadn&#8217;t built the ditch or maintained it properly, but that doesn&#8217;t matter once they classify your land as a wetland.  You&#8217;re sunk.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick T.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2012 11:19:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#14 &quot;I wonder what really happened?&quot;

Hmm, if only the case had been judged by a small group of random people with no connection to the government or the landowner. We could call them a &quot;jury&quot; perhaps. Then, in a perfect world, they would hear facts and information and testimony (we might call this &quot;evidence&quot;) and then they would sit and think about what they&#039;d heard and decide who was right. If that happened, that might HELP us figure out what really happened.  But, of course nothing like that happened here so I guess we will just have to toss a coin. 

Aside from that, &quot;free society&quot; and &quot;don&#039;t put rocks on a wetland that YOU own or we will destroy your life unilaterally&quot; go together like coffee and donuts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#14 &#8220;I wonder what really happened?&#8221;</p>
<p>Hmm, if only the case had been judged by a small group of random people with no connection to the government or the landowner. We could call them a &#8220;jury&#8221; perhaps. Then, in a perfect world, they would hear facts and information and testimony (we might call this &#8220;evidence&#8221;) and then they would sit and think about what they&#8217;d heard and decide who was right. If that happened, that might HELP us figure out what really happened.  But, of course nothing like that happened here so I guess we will just have to toss a coin. </p>
<p>Aside from that, &#8220;free society&#8221; and &#8220;don&#8217;t put rocks on a wetland that YOU own or we will destroy your life unilaterally&#8221; go together like coffee and donuts.</p>
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