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Wednesday, March 7th, 2012
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  1. #1 |  C. S. P. Schofield | 

    “San Francisco DUIs Could Be Overturned Due To SFPD Mendacity”

    There. Headline fixed.

  2. #2 |  GeneralGarbage | 

    Kinsley is an idiot. His article seems to be more about establishment media shuddering to think that this could happen to them too and closing ranks. They have a right to a giant megaphone,naturally, and threatening that is a bridge too far.

    It’s also incoherent.”If you don’t care for something Rush Limbaugh has said, say why and say it better.” Ummmmm… that’s exactly what’s been happening.

  3. #3 |  Jamie Niles | 

    The Feds, more accurately the Dept of Justice, shut down several poker websites last year. PokerStars, Full Tilt and Absolute Poker all were “seized” despite none of them being based in the US. PokerStars is even a publicly traded company in the London Stock Exchange (or at least it was til the DOJ shut out 60% of it’s consumer base.

    All 3 sites were back up using a dot EU address within a few hours. That’s what is going to happen, any company that thinks it may be anywhere close to being in the sights of some federal agency will switch over to a Euro-based web address to avoid the hassle.

    In short, the US Feds trying to shut these sites down are simply wasting massive amounts of time and effort, and dirtying their own reputations even moreso–but then, that is nothing new.

  4. #4 |  Michael Chaney | 

    Keene, NH is like 1500 miles from here and yet even I feel safer now.

  5. #5 |  Mattocracy | 

    “But those pressures don’t seem to have registered with President Barack Obama’s Justice Department. Hollywood was a big donor to Obama, and Obama reciprocated by naming at least five former Recording Industry Association of America attorneys to posts in the Justice Department, which has been waging a crackdown on internet piracy. The Justice Department is looking for even more money in next year’s budget to hire more intellectual-property prosecutors.”

    After hearing the Republicans talk about their disdain for freedom, natural rights, and complete disregard for the sovereignty of other nations, it’s nice to reminded that Obama is just as bad.

  6. #6 |  Jozef | 

    The .com domain thing is a very visible issue, but not really a big deal. As Jamie said, it’s not much of a problem opening a domain elsewhere. However, a different Internet-related constraint brought by the US is a much farther-reaching issues. My friends in Dell and in Microsoft are telling me that both companies are dumping a lot of money to market their cloud services in Europe, and both companies are failing miserably. Apparently, European companies do not want to do any business with a company that operates at least a portion of its cloud infrastructure in the US, as that would gave the US access to the company data without due process.

  7. #7 |  JThompson | 

    @GeneralGarbage: Yep. Kinsley also neglects that his whatifs have happened repeatedly. I can’t keep track of all the companies the religious right (who are primarily Republican) have launched boycotts and secondary boycotts at for far less than this. Goof grief, they try to boycott everyone their crazy aunt forwards them an email “proving” the corporate logo makes them Satanists or Muslims.

    Not to spend money with a company you find abhorrent is how people are *supposed* to hit back in a free market.

  8. #8 |  Eric Hanneken | 

    GeneralGarbage: In context, Michael Kinsley was saying that Rush Limbaugh’s critics should voice their dissent, but refrain from boycotting Limbaugh’s advertisers. The latter is not a First Amendment violation, but it still suppresses speech. I agree.

  9. #9 |  freebob | 

    Radley, you were quoted by the Richmond Times Dispatch today, but they didn’t use your name: “said the Cato Institute in its 2006 report, Overkill”

    http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/rtd-opinion/2012/mar/07/tdopin01-fallujah-va-ar-1745378/

  10. #10 |  qwints | 

    I’m pretty sure Poker Stars wasn’t publicly traded.

  11. #11 |  Mike Leatherwood | 

    “The Adams County Sheriff’s Office says they could not talk about this incident because a juvenile was involved and no charges were filed.”

    Really means:

    “What are you talking about? There was no incident. Besides, it’s just a punk kid.”

  12. #12 |  Tommil | 

    Re: Eleven year old kid. I used to think home schooling was for extremely religious people and people with limited other options (i.e. shitty schools). I am now becoming convinced that schools are preparing children to be quiet citizens of a police/authoritarian state.

    Here in NJ, my 17 year old was called out of class a few weeks ago to meet with the “School Resource Officer” (a retired cop who’s new beat is the local H.S.) because she told another girl, “I like your hair.” Someone who overheard that exchange thought she meant it sarcastically and reported it to the school authorities. My daughter said it was sincere and apparently, the girl she was speaking to interpreted it as sincere. The Resource Officer ,whom I’ve known since I was a kid (my cousin married his brother) and is not a bad guy said he was obligated to investigate because of the new Harassment, Intimidation and Bullying (HIP) law NJ has passed. Now, I disagree with his interpretation of his obligations under the law but he is not alone in his belief that he has no discretion. My point is, even if my daughter had intended her “compliment” in a sarcastic/obnoxious way, how in the hell does that conduct rise to harassment, intimidation or bullying? Ultimately, the investigation was determined to be unsubstantiated. I am in the process of finding out what record of it will follow her.

    As an interesting aside, the SRO actually asked my daughter if she saw the movie “Mean Girls” and specifically cited a scene where one girl tells another “nice dress” and then says it’s “the ugliest dress I’ve ever seen” to her friends. The entire incident is bizarre.

  13. #13 |  Mattocracy | 

    The fact that anyone pays attention to Rush Limbaugh, even if it’s outrage over the controversial things he says, only serves to give him more power and influence.

  14. #14 |  Yeah, that guy... | 

    I’m sorry, did a Lenco employee say that “if you oppose the bearcat purchase, you don’t care about cops lives”?????? REALLY! REALLY! I would argue that the bearcat makes departments extra stupid in the way that they now depend on this motorized menace to move good people even further into harms way without backup. To prove the point, how many of us have seen swat raids where there were support vans full of people parked right next to it? Was the bearcat really necessary there? As for pulling close to a subject to hail them, how stupid is that? Couldn’t you do the same by sending an RC car with a loudspeaker? $200K plus of grant money can buy a lot of RC trucks. Oops… can’t ride the rail of an RC truck in ninja garb.

    The police have forgotten the most vital rule of WAR (which is how they are performing community policing now), never fight outside of your support and supply chain. By extending the tip of the spear into a house they are leaving behind EMS in their greatest moment of need… STUPID.

  15. #15 |  C. S. P. Schofield | 

    If the weenies (liberal or oterwise) squawking about Rush want him to stop saying mean things, they need to stop squawking so entertainingly every time he does. Saying things hat make the Politically Correct sqyawk is his stock in trade.

    Now, if they can demonstrate that his behavior is a disgrace to Talk Radio, as it was demonstrated that Ward Churchill’s plagarism and dodgy svholarship was a disgrace to the University of Colorado, then maybe he’ll lose his job. Not sure what a disgrace to talk radio might be. Won’t be holding my breath.

  16. #16 |  omar | 

    CSP, I don’t think Ward Churchill has nearly the clout on the left circles as Rush has with with the right. His audience is quite a bit smaller.

    Mattocracy is most right – we should ignore this as hard as we can. It’s just the controversy of the week and will be forgotten soon.

  17. #17 |  picachu | 

    I saw a map recently that showed the worldwide internet traffic and something like 80% or more of it was routed through the US, no matter where it was from or where it was being received. I’m not sure what all that means but obviousy its unhealthy that something as important as the internet should be so beholden to the technology in one country, especially since that country’s government seems to claim jurisdiction over the whole world.

  18. #18 |  picachu | 

    I found it! This ought to make us all feel more secure:

    http://wikileaks.org/wiki/File:Nsa_2005_traffic_flows_630px.jpg

  19. #19 |  Peter Ramins | 

    Rush Limbaugh got bit in the ass by the very market self-regulation and moderation most of us dream of. This is *right and proper*. You cannot spew vitriol, hated, and disinformation and hope to do so without ramifications.

    He absolutely ABSOLUTELY has a right to say whatever he likes. However, he has no fucking guarantee whatsoever that anything he says will be profitable in the long run. In an ideal world he will hate, vitriolize, and disinform himself right off the air, and then he can stand in his front yard holding a scented candle and yell bile at passing motorists.

    Just because the unwashed masses finally banded together in a way most corporations rely on them not to and made a loud enough noise to scare off over *twenty* advertisers… It’s not a curtailing of his right to express himself. It’s a curtailing of his privilege to do so and be profitable. If you want to be profitable, don’t be so disgustingly negative.

    What surprises me is that it took so long. He kept getting bolder and bolder, never issues retractions (or meaningful retractions) when it comes to light that he reacted incorrectly to news. Remember the “OBAMA IS KILLING CHRISTIANS IN AFRICA!” And it turned out they were child rapists, pressing people into their army, a roving band of murderers and thieves? Where was the “Oh hey, let’s spend just 10% of the time we originally spent detailing how he had it right and I was wrong.”

    Shock radio can make a lot of money, sure, but you can also go too far, and you can especially expose advertisers to associations they never thought they were signing up for.

    Rush, give Howard Stern a call and he’ll tell you what you maybe never figured out on your own.

  20. #20 |  Stormy Dragon | 

    I’m not sure what Kinsley’s point was. He describes the whole situation, but never really says anything beyond that. I’m not even sure if he’s actually for or against the boycott effort after reading that article.

  21. #21 |  Eric Hanneken | 

    Stormy Dragon: Michael Kinsley is against the boycott effort.

    As we all know, Limbaugh’s First Amendment rights aren’t involved here — freedom of speech means freedom from interference by the government. But the spirit of the First Amendment, which is that suppressing speech is bad, still applies.

  22. #22 |  Jesse | 

    Those Michigan students could just watch the movie “Zombieland”, it’s a pretty thorough treatise on post-zombie apocalypse survival.

  23. #23 |  Bob Mc | 

    Blood boiler of the day:

    http://blog.simplejustice.us/2012/03/07/body-scanner-follies.aspx

    “Making a scene

    The catch-line for the original television commercials was “I”ve fallen and I can’t get up.” Lots of people thought it was pretty funny, but at the same time realized that it reflected a deep concern, that older folks living on their own needed a way to summon help if something bad happened. Well, something bad happened to Kenneth Chamberlain, Sr.

    From the New York Times:

    Somehow the uncle, Kenneth Chamberlain Sr., a former Marine who had heart problems and wheezed if he walked more than 40 feet, triggered his Life Alert pendant. The Life Alert operator came on the loudspeaker in his one-bedroom apartment, asking: “Mr. Chamberlain, are you O.K.? All of this is recorded.

    Mr. Chamberlain didn’t respond. So the operator signaled for an ambulance. Police patrol cars fell in behind — standard operating procedure in towns across America….
    ><
    ….By the end of the encounter, he had indeed fallen and he couldn't get up. That's because they put two bullets in his chest".

  24. #24 |  Mike T | 

    Rush Limbaugh got bit in the ass by the very market self-regulation and moderation most of us dream of. This is *right and proper*. You cannot spew vitriol, hated, and disinformation and hope to do so without ramifications.

    Apparently you can, considering how little actual damage has happened to his target’s reputation despite her argument being mostly disinformation.

  25. #25 |  edmund dantes | 

    Rush is suffering from the free market. Is the government forcing any of this? Is the government stopping Rush? It seems like it’s driven by people at this point. I’m not sure where the libertarian concern is coming from for him or why there should be any.

    I don’t know enough about Kinsley to know where he’s biases lie, but this reads more like concern trolling from him than an actual honest advice column.

  26. #26 |  GeneralGarbage | 

    @Eric Hanneken – I get that, and it’s part of the incoherence that I mention. Taking away his giant megaphone, which hasn’t even really been done, is not suppressing speech. No one is trying to silence him, but they are trying to hold him accountable for the content of his speech, which is what Kinsley really finds repulsive.

    Moral approbation directed against behavior that is completely legal is entirely compatible with classical liberalism. IIRC, JS Mill spends some time talking about that very thing in On Liberty.

    Anyway, given the power asymmetry between Rush and his target, part of a proper response is reducing that power deficit. We’re not going to have the polite exchange of ideas that Kinsley views as appropriate when one side knows it can spew venom with impunity.

  27. #27 |  Brandon | 

    The case against Rush Limbaugh seems to be nothing but a distraction from the absolute atrocity that was Fluke’s testimony before congress.

  28. #28 |  omar | 

    The case against Rush Limbaugh seems to be nothing but a distraction from the absolute atrocity that was Fluke’s testimony before congress.

    Elmo testified to congress – testimony worth anything is the exception, not the rule. Her name would never be known if Rush didn’t decide to spice up his slow news week.

  29. #29 |  Michael Chaney | 

    Agree with #27. Limbaugh hasn’t said anything more repugnant than what Maher, Letterman, and others have said about Sarah Palin and other conservative women.

  30. #30 |  C. S. P. Schofield | 

    Omar,

    My point was more that both men were paid for making outrageous statements. If Churchill had not also been a plagiarist and guilty of other highly questionable research practices, he would still have his job. His not being a Native American, or not being provably one, probably wouldn’t have been enough to get him fired; there are so MANY phonies in academia. Churchill was supposedly an academic, though, and he violated the standards of academic ethics massively.

    I’m not at all sure what you’d have to do to violate the ethical standards of Talk Radio.

  31. #31 |  Stormy Dragon | 

    But the spirit of the First Amendment, which is that suppressing speech is bad, still applies.

    Except he never really argues for this point in the column. If this is the main point of the entire thing, how is it backed up by anything he says elsewhere in the piece?

  32. #32 |  Boyd Durkin | 

    While still considerably lenient, I am surprised. Officer Bolling gets 3 years in prison for DUI crash that killed a boy (and Bolling left the scene of the accident).

    Family not happy.

    http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local&id=8570866

  33. #33 |  Boyd Durkin | 

    The Resource Officer … said he was obligated to investigate because of the new Harassment, Intimidation and Bullying (HIP) law NJ has passed.

    My private school doesn’t have this problem. I keep saying this because almost all of these issues are problems with public education and the iron death grip it holds families in order to keep kids hostage for political gain.

  34. #34 |  Yizmo Gizmo | 

    Is it me or does megabillionaire Rush Limbaugh make all his headlines
    these days, post-Oxycontin, saying really offensive, stupid, childish stuff?
    I took the wrong job, man.

  35. #35 |  Boyd Durkin | 

    Agree with #27. Limbaugh hasn’t said anything more repugnant than what Maher, Letterman, and others have said about Sarah Palin and other conservative women.

    Respectfully, one is a girl commenting on a subject…the others are politicians selling their positions for massive personal gain.

    There are many people I can call a whore, not all would be repugnant insults.

  36. #36 |  Chris Mallory | 

    Isn’t it funny, many of the same people who are going after Rush’s advertisers, trying to get them to pull their money are the same ones who attacked Home Depot (or was it Lowes) when they pulled their support for a TV show.

  37. #37 |  Chris Mallory | 

    Boyd,
    Fluke was selling her position for as much personal gain as she could get.

  38. #38 |  omar | 

    Isn’t it funny, many of the same people who are going after Rush’s advertisers, trying to get them to pull their money are the same ones who attacked Home Depot (or was it Lowes) when they pulled their support for a TV show

    Well, Chris Mallory, I just don’t know. Since you can’t be bothered to remember what you are talking about, I am having a hard time reveling in the irony with you.

  39. #39 |  Greg | 

    So the real issue is not that the SFPD were not testing, but FALSIFYING the testing?

  40. #40 |  Michael Chaney | 

    Boyd, Sarah Palin is one example. There are plenty of others where the women are not politicians. I’m sorry – if you’re going to get your feathers in a fluff over Limbaugh then Maher and the rest of them shouldn’t get a free pass, either.

  41. #41 |  Judas Peckerwood | 

    Boycotts are a perfectly legitimate means of expression, whatever your ideology. It’s called voting with your wallet.

    It’s funny how some alleged libertarians get all butt-hurt when one of their political/corporate faves gets financially whacked for being an asshole.

  42. #42 |  derfel cadarn | 

    It would appear that Yajira and her family are fortunate that Adams County Sheriffs Dept. does not have a bearcat. I find it surprising that they did call for a tactical nuclear strike. If our law enforcement community were trying to look as stupid as possible they could not do a better job. Plain and simple if the jobs scares you that much get another fucking job,pussies!

  43. #43 |  David | 

    And here I thought “you can’t be an asshole to me, because that infringes on my right to be an asshole to you” was just for schoolyard bullies.

  44. #44 |  Eric Hanneken | 

    Judas Peckerwood: Rush Limbaugh is no “fave” of mine. Also, nine years ago when Joe Scarborough organized a campaign to pressure MCI to fire Danny Glover because the actor praised Fidel Castro, I was against that, too.

  45. #45 |  Mattocracy | 

    “It’s funny how some alleged libertarians get all butt-hurt when one of their political/corporate faves gets financially whacked for being an asshole.”

    Since when as Rush been a fave of libertarians? What a load of bullshit.

  46. #46 |  Kerade | 

    #44 Mattocracy “Since when as Rush been a fave of libertarians? What a load of bullshit.”

    I really didn’t like their mid-80′s/early 90′s stuff but they’ve been coming back fairly strong lately.

  47. #47 |  Jay | 

    #23 Bob Mc, the link goes to a body scanner story but I think you meant to link to the post below that, the Life Alert Cop Murder Story.

  48. #48 |  George | 

    The outrage against Rush is just politics, not any sense of decency. If it were the latter, we would have heard complaints before about Maher, Schultz, Letterman, Waters, Wasserman, etc. If Carbonite wants to boycott Rush because of his insults to the student who jumped into politics, that’s OK with me. With my wife — not so much. She’s dropping Carbonite as a vendor to her business. And I notice CARB is still trading near its 52 week low.

  49. #49 |  Mattocracy | 

    Well played Kerade. Well played indeed.

  50. #50 |  el coronado | 

    Am still not sure why The Perpetual Law Student is an object of pity here.

    Let’s recap: She 1) lobbied to go in front of congress and whine that she and her buddies couldn’t afford to screw because 2) the school she attended wouldn’t pay for her birth control, never mind that 3) it’s a Catholic school, and they would no more do that than an Islamic University would sponsor wet T-shirt contests and 4) since they’ve taken that position for hundreds of years that’s not exactly a *secret* policy, ergo 5) she knew it before she got there but 6) she wants what she wants when she wants it, tradition & long-standing policy be damned and 7) since she’s a powerful, self-actualized womyn comfortable with her power and confident in her sexuality, her desires should naturally take precedence over everything else, apparently, so 8) she had the Democrats put on a non-official “hearing” where she could tell her tale of woe, despite the fact that 9) her story of “having to spend $3000 on contraception in her law school years” was as absolute LIE, as seen by 10) the grudgingly-reported inconvenient little fact that nearby Targets & Walmarts charge $9 for a month’s worth of birth-control pills meaning 11) her “$1000/year” is actually much closer to $100/year, but facts are for the rubes and she had an agenda to advance, therefore 12) the taxpayers should take that non-existent little problem off her/their hands.

    It’s like the 12 Days of Bullshit.

    Had she managed to tell her self-serving whoppers in front of the ‘real’ congress, not merely the stage-managed dog-and-pony media show she did, she’d be guilty of lying under oath to Congrefs. I DO believe that’s a felony.

    She busted her ass to go on TV and tell lies, and she succeeded. Last I looked, they don’t just let random people (even law students, who we all know are humanity’s last best hope) wander in off the street and yammer to the camera – so she had help; probably a *lot* of help. But Limbaugh DID call her bad names, so let’s all focus on that.

  51. #51 |  DarkEFang | 

    The snippet of her testimony that I saw was about birth control pills being: A. covered by insurance; and B. used to regulate periods.

    Did I miss the part where she demanded that taxpayers pay for her birth control? And the part where she discussed screwing her buddies?

    I’m not clear on exactly why everybody is so pissed at this girl for what was essentially pretty vanilla Congressional testimony.

  52. #52 |  Judas Peckerwood | 

    @#44 — “It’s funny how some alleged libertarians get all butt-hurt when one of their political/corporate faves gets financially whacked for being an asshole.”

    “Since when as Rush been a fave of libertarians? What a load of bullshit.”

    Um, Mattocracy, if you had actually bothered to read my comment, you would have noticed that the term I used was “alleged libertarians.”

  53. #53 |  Pinandpuller | 

    There have been commentors over at Reddit wanting to sic the FCC on Rush which does involve the 1st Ammendment. I guess we have to wait and see if he gets audited by the IRS.

  54. #54 |  Michael Chaney | 

    Re: #50 – let me explain it to you in simple terms. Libertarians are for personal responsibility. This is one of the points where we differ strongly from liberals.

  55. #55 |  omar | 

    Libertarians are for personal responsibility. This is one of the points where we differ strongly from liberals.

    No true Scotsman could have anything to add to that!

    Libertarians are against slavery too, but we don’t spend our days calling Thomas Jefferson a shitbag. All this girl did was ask for a handout. A simple “no” would work as well.

  56. #56 |  Judas Peckerwood | 

    @#50 — What the hell are you trying to say? Reason and facts have no part in this debate, pal.

  57. #57 |  Kutani | 

    Seems to me like a lot of people don’t know that female birth control medication is used for a hell of a lot more reasons than just ‘I don’t want to get pregnant.’ Quite a few very legitimate medical reasons.

  58. #58 |  boomshanka | 

    “#53 | Michael Chaney

    “Re: #50 – let me explain it to you in simple terms. Libertarians are for personal responsibility. This is one of the points where we differ strongly from liberals.”

    Oh gimme a break dude, what the hell does that even mean here?

    How is advocating that insurance coverage, which she pays for herself, provide equal care for women’s medical needs not “for personal responsibility?” I thought maintaining individual health insurance was an example of personal responsibility, but it seems that in order to be “for personal responsibility” now you need to pay for medical costs out of pocket, especially when it involves female anatomy.

  59. #59 |  DarkEFang | 

    #53 Michael Chaney –

    “Re: #50 – let me explain it to you in simple terms. Libertarians are for personal responsibility. This is one of the points where we differ strongly from liberals.”

    Agreed. I’m not clear, however, what this has to do with my post.

    #54 Omar –

    “All this girl did was ask for a handout.”

    Did she ask for a handout? Again, in the clip I saw, she was advocating that birth control be covered by her health insurance. Is medical insurance considered a handout?

    #55 Judas Peckerwood –

    “@#50 — What the hell are you trying to say? Reason and facts have no part in this debate, pal.”

    It certainly seems that way.

  60. #60 |  RobZ | 

    Rush grossly insulted Fluke 50+ times over three days. As far as I know, none of the liberal assholes who insulted women have done anything like it.

    Another point: Lots of women are prescribed birth control pills for non-birth control reasons. Depending upon the active ingredient required for the treatment, generics may or may not be available. (Fluke’s friend with the
    polycystic ovarian syndrome who was spending 100/month out of pocket due to being denied insurance coverage, was perhaps prescribed something other than a generic.)

  61. #61 |  Personanongrata | 

    •Last week, the Keene, New Hampshire city council voted 9-4 in favor of purchasing the Lenco, Bearcat.

    Little Red Riding Citizen

    “Dear me, Keene City Police Department (KCPD), what a great big armored personal carrier (APC) you have got!”

    “They are so much the better to keep us (us as in KCPD) safe, citizen,” replied KCPD .

    “But KCPD,” said the citizen, “what big machine gun turret you have got!”

    “They are so much the better to prtoect you, citizen,” replied KCPD.

    “But then, KCPD, what great night vision goggles you have got!” said the citizen.

    “They are so much the better to see you in the dark during no-knock-raids, citizen,” replied KCPD.

    “And KCPD, what a great arsenal you have!” said the citizen, who now began to be rather afraid.

    “They are to eat you up,” said KCPD.

    It’s to bad the grandma from the fairy-tale isn’t going to jump out of a closet and bonk KCPD and the Keene City Council on the head just like she does to the wolf.

  62. #62 |  omar | 

    Did she ask for a handout? Again, in the clip I saw, she was advocating that birth control be covered by her health insurance. Is medical insurance considered a handout?

    I don’t even know. I never watched it, nor will I. I was assuming the worst and found the worst to be nothing worth yelling about. I simply refuse to throw stones at a human being for advocating a very very small change to our system even if I disagree with her desired change on principled grounds.

  63. #63 |  Bob Mc | 

    #46 | Jay |
    yup, wrong link, sorry ’bout that. Correct link is:
    http://blog.simplejustice.us/2012/03/07/making-a-scene.aspx

  64. #64 |  AlgerHiss | 

    If this woman only wished for her insurance company to cover her orgasm pills, then why wasn’t she agitating in front of her insurance company?

    She was agitating in front of Congress because she wishes Congress to use the brutal, violent force of government to force the insurance company to do what she wants done.

    That is far more disgusting and dangerous than whatever Limbaugh did. Hell, she should have been called far worse than a slut.

  65. #65 |  FTP | 

    Since when are birth control pills “orgasm pills”?

  66. #66 |  Boyd Durkin | 

    Boyd, Sarah Palin is one example.

    Agreed. By defending Fluke I am not anti-Palin. I love that hot momma and think calling her a whore or a slut was repugnant when it was obviously in response to ONLY her appearance.

    Calling Maher and Limbaugh whores is pretty accurate. Calling Fluke a whore is just repugnant.

    > Fluke was selling her position for as much personal gain as she could get.

    Bullshit. It is ridiculous to compare the Congress testimony of a college student to someone like Anne Coulter (who’s actions help kill people).

    Let me make this perfectly clear to anyone still reading. If you (mostly male) princes continue to call women whores and sluts it does not serve MY GOALS well. Some of you aren’t exactly “ladies men”, so I’ll make it simple: Expand the damn sphere as big as possible that defines great behavior by women.

    The opposite is to jump back 100 years to when I had to marry a girl to get a rub-and-tug…which appears to be the route many of you want to take. Contact me directly if you need additional help navigating women.

    I thought we were ahead in the sex race. We’re even further behind than in all the other races.

  67. #67 |  JSL | 

    So wait Boyd, because you want an easy and/or cheap “rub and tug” (go to Nevada?), we should all pay for birth control? Because one gal and some of her buddies go to a school who’s student insurance plan doesn’t cover birth control? So because she decided to not sacrifice her education for a school who did cover birth control to go to super duper wonderful lawschool Georgetown, all insurance companies should be mandated to cover all birth control for all reasons.

    You do realize that costs will likely go up if this mandate were enforced? Bye bye cheap knock offs, hello cash to pharma.

    Boyd at #35: “Respectfully, one is a girl commenting on a subject…”

    No she’s a 30 year old woman (press got that 23yr co-ed deal wrong or someone lied or exaggerated) who is a law student about to graduate and a long time women’s studies/rights activist. She’s a professional grievance monger.

  68. #68 |  el coronado | 

    “Ann Coulter’s actions help kill people”???

    Good to see the liberal contingent sticking to good, solid facts instead of engaging in hysterical hyperbole like that awful Limbaugh fellow. Any word yet on whether the cops are any closer to catching that fiendish serial killer Rachel Maddow, the Ted Bundy of the left?

  69. #69 |  JOR | 

    “Libertarians are for personal responsibility. This is one of the points where we differ strongly from liberals.”

    Oh please. Libertarianism is no more about “personal responsibility” than liberalism or any other set of ideas. If you doubt this, just look at how often liberals tell libertarians to “Go Galt” or “Go to Somalia”, i.e. vote with their feet, or wallets, instead of whining like little victim-babies.

    And like everyone else, libertarians are reducing personal responsibility in many cases. But the obsession with “personal responsibility” does lead to some really ridiculous displays, like when some libertoids sometimes try to say they’re in favor of ending the war on drugs so drug users will finally have to be responsible for their own lives. Yeah man, ’cause in a free market druggies can like, get fired and stuff! Like that doesn’t happen now. No, the libertarian position on the war on drugs is one of reduced personal responsibility (yes you may still get fired or piss your parents/school off or lose your family, but at least you won’t get kidnapped by hired thugs and sent to a brutal rape camp for years, and without the prison-industrial political pressure all the other anti-drug elements of the culture will probably ease up considerably).

  70. #70 |  JOR | 

    Also note that people chiming in against the boycott of Rush Limbaugh are opposing an application of personal responsibility (that is, forcing someone to respond or suffer in some way as a consequence for an action you don’t like; and yes, this is all “personal responsibility” ever meant, and all it will ever mean).

  71. #71 |  Brandon | 

    JOR, this false equivocation is really weak. Have you ever actually talked to a libertarian?

  72. #72 |  AL | 

    @49

    1) She didn’t whine that she and her buddies couldn’t screw. She never talked about her own personal sex life at all, so any insinuation that she is a promiscuous slut is pure speculative defamatory ad hominem. She did mention a fellow MARRIED student that wanted to put off a kid to finish school, but nothing about wanting women to be free to sleep around, as all too many right leaning bloggers and media personalities are suggesting.

    2) The school doesn’t pay for health care. The students pay tuition to the school, which the school uses to provide some services, including insurance. It’s ultimately the insurance company that pays out for the actual health care treatment, and the student that pays the policy. In this case, the school is just a middleman that enforces its say in the matter.

    6) More empty insinuations that she is sexually promiscuous and just wants sex…

    7) Where did she say or suggest anything like that? Advocating for an issue doesn’t automatically mean you think you’re superior to everyone and everything else. More baseless attacks on her character.

    12) This hasn’t anything to do with taxes. Taxes are not paying for condoms and pills here.

    I’ll grant you 9)-11) as Fluke probably did exaggerate the cost.

    It should be noted that she ended her talk by pointing out that the president of the Jesuit colleges association is OK with the modifications to the rule that allow women to have access to birth control while still respecting the religious issues raised by the colleges themselves. So it seems all parties directly involved are OK with this, why such a vehement public attack on Fluke? Is it still the confusion that it involves the public’s tax dollars somehow paying for other people to have sex?

  73. #73 |  Michael Chaney | 

    Boy, the libtards coming from huffpo sure make a difference around here…

  74. #74 |  Cyto | 

    For all you die-hard constitutionalists out there, Drudge has some red meat on the top line via Breitbart.

    I thought the headline (PANETTA: ‘INTERNATIONAL PERMISSION’ TRUMPS CONGRESSIONAL PERMISSION FOR MILITARY ACTIONS) was typical Drudge hyperbole. Well, maybe not so much. The administration’s position is pretty clearly stated (repeatedly): we need international approval to provide a legal basis for military action, but not congressional approval. He says that if they feel like it they’ll notify congress after they have international permission. But only if they feel like it. They might seek some kind of vote, if they feel like it.

    Forget the war powers act, it seems that the entire role of congress in declarations of war is dead and buried.

  75. #75 |  Judas Peckerwood | 

    @#72 “Boy, the libtards coming from huffpo sure make a difference around here…”

    Hey, Michael Chaney, way to refute the well-reasoned arguments of real libertarians who call you on your partisan bullshit. But you forgot to shriek at them to get off of your lawn. Not a criticism, mind you, just a friendly reminder to do it right next time

  76. #76 |  MassHole | 

    Saying crass things is Rush’s gig, so it’s not really interesting or surprising. What I do find interesting is the amount of invective hurled at Ms. Fluke by regular Joe’s in the blogosphere. The vast majority are deliberately ignorant of the actual content of her statement and the context within which it was given. Even when presented with what she actually said, they all double down and continue to mis-characterize it. It’s quite apparent on this page unfortunately. It’s as if Ms. Fluke has become some sort of blank canvas that these people are projecting their own anger upon. It seems there is some deep undercurrent of misogyny within these people (see Alger Hiss above and “Orgasm Pills”). It’s not hard to disagree with someone without making base ad hominem attacks upon their character. I suppose if anything, Ms. Fluke has unwittingly brought this anger and misogyny to the fore, and allowed many more than just Rush Limbaugh to make fools of themselves.

  77. #77 |  Leah | 

    omar & MassHole – +1

    And when I read “orgasm pills” I actually sat there for a minute trying to figure out what Viagra had to do with the point of the comment. Figured it out, but hmm.

  78. #78 |  Medicine Man | 

    I have to agree with Judas Peckerwood. Other than tribal loyalty to right-wing figures I’m not sure why a libertarian would object to Rush suffering public opprobrium for his antics.

    A little push back to the predictable “both sides do it” being advanced: http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/05/opinion/frum-rush-limbaugh-fairness/index.html

    Slightly oily David Frum summarizes pretty well.

  79. #79 |  Goober | 

    I don’t get this whole thing. First – If Ms. Fluke wants her insurance to cover brith control, shouldn’t she negotiate that with her insurance company, or failing that, get another policy? Why is she testifying in front of congress about essentially forcing private companies and private individuals to provide a good and/or service that they choose not to provide? Where does this end – should a vegan restraunt be required to provide halal meat for their Muslim customers? And why can’t everybody see that, while this isn’t about paying taxes, it IS about making everyone else pay for a woman’s birth control? Because the company isn’t goign to pay for it, guys, so who does that leave? The fact is, if Ms. Fluke wants to argue that I should pay for her birth control because it is a “right”, then she should help pay for my new pistol, because the “right” to keep and bear arms is there, too, and it is sad that people should be denied access to their right to keep and bear arms simply because they can’t afford it… Yeah, reductio ad absurdum, I know, but can you tell me why I’m wrong?

    Second – Rush Limbaugh is a big boy, and made a decision to say some things that I disagree with him saying. He should face the consequences for what he said, just like I will face whatever consequences that this comment presents me, and so forth. I have an unalienable right to walk into my bosses office and call him a douche-canoe, but that doesn’t guarantee he won’t fire me for it. Anyone defending what Rush said is merely voicing an opinion. Anyone saying that Rush is being censored or silenced or having his first amendment rights violated should go back to school, because you must have missed it the first time.

  80. #80 |  Colonel Mustard | 

    re: 11 year old girl handcuffed for attitude

    “Yajira now knows what not to do when talking to a teacher. “Not to give them attitude. I am blaming myself,” Yajira said.”

    Sad. A power tripping control freak school administration is to blame, not the kid. And so too is the “juvenile justice” system and the cozy relationship law enforcement has with schools.

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