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		<title>By: Helmut O' Hooligan</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/02/29/morning-links-627/comment-page-1/#comment-2815812</link>
		<dc:creator>Helmut O' Hooligan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2012 23:50:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Radley I won&#039;t be glib like Chicagojon, but I admit to being conflicted on hate crimes laws.  For the record, no I don&#039;t think the guy should get 10 years for being a jerk and no I don&#039;t think it should be a crime to hate gay people.  I would add, however, that hate is ugly and unhealthy for both the hated and the hater. As the Buddha suggested in the Dhammapada, animosity never solved anything.

Anyway, the one redeeming feature of federal hate crime laws, IMHO, is that it allows such incidents to be tracked.  Thus, agencies may be able to spot patterns of attacks on certain groups across jurisdictions.  In other words, I don&#039;t care much about the penalty enhancer aspect of hate crimes laws, but I do think having a subcategory for crimes directed at certain people can aid in the investigative effort.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Radley I won&#8217;t be glib like Chicagojon, but I admit to being conflicted on hate crimes laws.  For the record, no I don&#8217;t think the guy should get 10 years for being a jerk and no I don&#8217;t think it should be a crime to hate gay people.  I would add, however, that hate is ugly and unhealthy for both the hated and the hater. As the Buddha suggested in the Dhammapada, animosity never solved anything.</p>
<p>Anyway, the one redeeming feature of federal hate crime laws, IMHO, is that it allows such incidents to be tracked.  Thus, agencies may be able to spot patterns of attacks on certain groups across jurisdictions.  In other words, I don&#8217;t care much about the penalty enhancer aspect of hate crimes laws, but I do think having a subcategory for crimes directed at certain people can aid in the investigative effort.</p>
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		<title>By: Radley Balko</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/02/29/morning-links-627/comment-page-1/#comment-2814886</link>
		<dc:creator>Radley Balko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2012 19:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;Wow, that older white guy at Reason.com sure knows everything there is to know about hate crimes.&lt;/em&gt;

Which part do you find objectionable? Do you think the guy should get 10 years for being a jerk?

Do you think hating gay people should be a crime?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Wow, that older white guy at Reason.com sure knows everything there is to know about hate crimes.</em></p>
<p>Which part do you find objectionable? Do you think the guy should get 10 years for being a jerk?</p>
<p>Do you think hating gay people should be a crime?</p>
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		<title>By: Chicagojon</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/02/29/morning-links-627/comment-page-1/#comment-2814533</link>
		<dc:creator>Chicagojon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2012 18:29:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow, that older white guy at Reason.com sure knows everything there is to know about hate crimes.

Give me a break...the first article is crap.  His quotes around &quot;bias intimidation&quot; which is the alleged crime compared to the headline using &quot;Expressing Unapproved Views&quot; is Fox journalism 101.  Save that bullshit for someone who can&#039;t see through it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, that older white guy at Reason.com sure knows everything there is to know about hate crimes.</p>
<p>Give me a break&#8230;the first article is crap.  His quotes around &#8220;bias intimidation&#8221; which is the alleged crime compared to the headline using &#8220;Expressing Unapproved Views&#8221; is Fox journalism 101.  Save that bullshit for someone who can&#8217;t see through it.</p>
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		<title>By: Pam</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/02/29/morning-links-627/comment-page-1/#comment-2811438</link>
		<dc:creator>Pam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2012 04:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mississippi has barred the &quot;hole&quot; errr...solitary confinement for juveniles by consent decree. Uhh huh, and cross my heart, hope to die and I swear on my dead grandmother I&#039;ll never eat another piece of chocolate for as long as I live. 

Hmmm....I&#039;m thinking...what will be the new form of torture for the kiddies?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mississippi has barred the &#8220;hole&#8221; errr&#8230;solitary confinement for juveniles by consent decree. Uhh huh, and cross my heart, hope to die and I swear on my dead grandmother I&#8217;ll never eat another piece of chocolate for as long as I live. </p>
<p>Hmmm&#8230;.I&#8217;m thinking&#8230;what will be the new form of torture for the kiddies?</p>
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		<title>By: NAME REDACTED</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/02/29/morning-links-627/comment-page-1/#comment-2810953</link>
		<dc:creator>NAME REDACTED</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2012 02:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Two years after he was stopped and illegally searched, Raleigh man just wants an apology. He hasn’t received one.&quot;

Thats his mistake.  He would be much more likely to get a settlement than ever get an apology.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Two years after he was stopped and illegally searched, Raleigh man just wants an apology. He hasn’t received one.&#8221;</p>
<p>Thats his mistake.  He would be much more likely to get a settlement than ever get an apology.</p>
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		<title>By: strech</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/02/29/morning-links-627/comment-page-1/#comment-2810479</link>
		<dc:creator>strech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2012 00:15:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[From one of the Dharun Ravi articles:
&lt;blockquote&gt;But even if we discount Ravi&#039;s mitigating explanations, he is guilty, at worst, of being an immature jerk&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Actually, when Ravi&#039;s mitigating explanations - which contradict the evidence - are discounted, he&#039;s guilty of invasion of privacy and destruction of evidence, even considering his failure to do either properly.

No, it doesn&#039;t look like he&#039;s guilty of a hate crime (whether or not that&#039;s a justifiable law), but the &quot;boys will be boys&quot; is bullshit.  The base charges are justified - even if they aren&#039;t always pursued - and it&#039;s not just the hate crime law / &quot;bias enhancer&quot; that&#039;s causing Ravi&#039;s problems.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From one of the Dharun Ravi articles:</p>
<blockquote><p>But even if we discount Ravi&#8217;s mitigating explanations, he is guilty, at worst, of being an immature jerk</p></blockquote>
<p>Actually, when Ravi&#8217;s mitigating explanations &#8211; which contradict the evidence &#8211; are discounted, he&#8217;s guilty of invasion of privacy and destruction of evidence, even considering his failure to do either properly.</p>
<p>No, it doesn&#8217;t look like he&#8217;s guilty of a hate crime (whether or not that&#8217;s a justifiable law), but the &#8220;boys will be boys&#8221; is bullshit.  The base charges are justified &#8211; even if they aren&#8217;t always pursued &#8211; and it&#8217;s not just the hate crime law / &#8220;bias enhancer&#8221; that&#8217;s causing Ravi&#8217;s problems.</p>
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		<title>By: Nancy Lebovitz</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/02/29/morning-links-627/comment-page-1/#comment-2810205</link>
		<dc:creator>Nancy Lebovitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Feb 2012 23:09:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In re hate crimes: should there be a difference between possible motivations, and blatant public threat?

CSP, I&#039;ve heard that being short puts a person at risk from airbags, but what difference does weight make?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In re hate crimes: should there be a difference between possible motivations, and blatant public threat?</p>
<p>CSP, I&#8217;ve heard that being short puts a person at risk from airbags, but what difference does weight make?</p>
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		<title>By: Brandon</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/02/29/morning-links-627/comment-page-1/#comment-2809714</link>
		<dc:creator>Brandon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Feb 2012 21:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#10, &quot;saved tens of thousands of lives and 100′s of billions of costs. Safety laws should be evaluated on their merits not ideology, many of them have significantly contributed to the prosperity of this nation.&quot;

Had to reach reaaaaalllll far up your ass to pull these out, huh? I still think the vice president should find better things to do than post random fallacies on libertarian blogs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#10, &#8220;saved tens of thousands of lives and 100′s of billions of costs. Safety laws should be evaluated on their merits not ideology, many of them have significantly contributed to the prosperity of this nation.&#8221;</p>
<p>Had to reach reaaaaalllll far up your ass to pull these out, huh? I still think the vice president should find better things to do than post random fallacies on libertarian blogs.</p>
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		<title>By: DarkEFang</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/02/29/morning-links-627/comment-page-1/#comment-2809662</link>
		<dc:creator>DarkEFang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Feb 2012 21:10:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Can we just make a honking the maximum penalty for violating all those ridiculous &quot;distracted driving&quot; laws?  And make administering those honkings LaHood&#039;s full-time job?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can we just make a honking the maximum penalty for violating all those ridiculous &#8220;distracted driving&#8221; laws?  And make administering those honkings LaHood&#8217;s full-time job?</p>
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		<title>By: nigmalg</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/02/29/morning-links-627/comment-page-1/#comment-2809439</link>
		<dc:creator>nigmalg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Feb 2012 20:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Regarding the charity fund permit issue, based on comments alone:

1.) Stewart deserves no defense whatsoever. Immediate summary execution is most appropriate.
2.) People who come up with &quot;crazy charities should have to pay [for a permit]&quot;

I want to believe people are more careful than this. Every time I read these news article comments I want to find a nice quiet place in the backcountry to live the rest of my days without ever interacting with people again.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the charity fund permit issue, based on comments alone:</p>
<p>1.) Stewart deserves no defense whatsoever. Immediate summary execution is most appropriate.<br />
2.) People who come up with &#8220;crazy charities should have to pay [for a permit]&#8221;</p>
<p>I want to believe people are more careful than this. Every time I read these news article comments I want to find a nice quiet place in the backcountry to live the rest of my days without ever interacting with people again.</p>
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		<title>By: Personanongrata</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/02/29/morning-links-627/comment-page-1/#comment-2809292</link>
		<dc:creator>Personanongrata</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Feb 2012 19:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;•U.K. police raid the wrong house after stolen iPhone pings to the wrong address: “Nottingham Police refused to reimburse Kerr for the repairs to his door — because officers ‘reasonably believed’ an offender was in the house.”&lt;/em&gt;

Robinhood and his merry band they were not.

A man&#039;s home is his castle unless the police say it is not.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>•U.K. police raid the wrong house after stolen iPhone pings to the wrong address: “Nottingham Police refused to reimburse Kerr for the repairs to his door — because officers ‘reasonably believed’ an offender was in the house.”</em></p>
<p>Robinhood and his merry band they were not.</p>
<p>A man&#8217;s home is his castle unless the police say it is not.</p>
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		<title>By: StrangeOne</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/02/29/morning-links-627/comment-page-1/#comment-2808885</link>
		<dc:creator>StrangeOne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Feb 2012 17:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[VI Amendment (according to Utah):

&quot;In all criminal prosecutions, &lt;del&gt;the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial&lt;/del&gt;, by an &lt;del&gt;impartial&lt;/del&gt; jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, &lt;del&gt;and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense&lt;/del&gt;&quot;

Wow, you need a government permit in order to exercise your sixth amendment rights to assistance of counsel? I&#039;m sure that has nothing to do with the trend of needing permits for first, second, fourth, and fifth amendment rights. They stop being &quot;rights&quot; when the default is that you need government permission to exercise them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>VI Amendment (according to Utah):</p>
<p>&#8220;In all criminal prosecutions, <del>the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial</del>, by an <del>impartial</del> jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, <del>and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense</del>&#8221;</p>
<p>Wow, you need a government permit in order to exercise your sixth amendment rights to assistance of counsel? I&#8217;m sure that has nothing to do with the trend of needing permits for first, second, fourth, and fifth amendment rights. They stop being &#8220;rights&#8221; when the default is that you need government permission to exercise them.</p>
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		<title>By: JOR</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/02/29/morning-links-627/comment-page-1/#comment-2808880</link>
		<dc:creator>JOR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Feb 2012 17:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Safety laws should be evaluated on their merits not ideology . . . &quot;

This is a purely ideological expression. Now nothing is wrong with that, &lt;i&gt;per se&lt;/i&gt; (there is no getting away from ideology), but it happens to be an unreflective and thoughtless ideological expression, a strong hint that the underlying ideology is at least, well, unreflective and thoughtless, and possibly dishonest.

(Yes, libertoids sometimes do this as well, when appealing to &quot;reason&quot; &lt;i&gt;etc.&lt;/i&gt;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Safety laws should be evaluated on their merits not ideology . . . &#8221;</p>
<p>This is a purely ideological expression. Now nothing is wrong with that, <i>per se</i> (there is no getting away from ideology), but it happens to be an unreflective and thoughtless ideological expression, a strong hint that the underlying ideology is at least, well, unreflective and thoughtless, and possibly dishonest.</p>
<p>(Yes, libertoids sometimes do this as well, when appealing to &#8220;reason&#8221; <i>etc.</i>)</p>
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		<title>By: Mike T</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/02/29/morning-links-627/comment-page-1/#comment-2808862</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Feb 2012 17:13:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You have to wonder how much of the cops&#039; behavior WRT apologizing is actually mandated by the organization as a way of keeping the ambulance chasers from saying &quot;aha! You admit you wronged this man, sue sue sue!&quot; Granted, many cops are dicks, but the civil laws are crazy enough now that you cannot admit you wronged someone in a professional capacity and not take a legal risk.

Unless you&#039;re a lawyer working for the government...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have to wonder how much of the cops&#8217; behavior WRT apologizing is actually mandated by the organization as a way of keeping the ambulance chasers from saying &#8220;aha! You admit you wronged this man, sue sue sue!&#8221; Granted, many cops are dicks, but the civil laws are crazy enough now that you cannot admit you wronged someone in a professional capacity and not take a legal risk.</p>
<p>Unless you&#8217;re a lawyer working for the government&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: BamBam</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/02/29/morning-links-627/comment-page-1/#comment-2808835</link>
		<dc:creator>BamBam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Feb 2012 17:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@12 for The Win]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@12 for The Win</p>
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		<title>By: C. S. P. Schofield</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/02/29/morning-links-627/comment-page-1/#comment-2808813</link>
		<dc:creator>C. S. P. Schofield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Feb 2012 16:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[crazybob,

As the husband of a short, overweight woman, who&#039;s life is threatened by the Air Bag mandated by such safety laws, I take a dim view of all government buttinskiism on the subject. This particular law may make some sort of sense, but my first instinct is to assume it is so much tripe, and the regulatory system has not proved me wrong often enough to change my approach.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>crazybob,</p>
<p>As the husband of a short, overweight woman, who&#8217;s life is threatened by the Air Bag mandated by such safety laws, I take a dim view of all government buttinskiism on the subject. This particular law may make some sort of sense, but my first instinct is to assume it is so much tripe, and the regulatory system has not proved me wrong often enough to change my approach.</p>
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		<title>By: Whim</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/02/29/morning-links-627/comment-page-1/#comment-2808754</link>
		<dc:creator>Whim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Feb 2012 16:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great post #14 MacGregory:  &quot;throw another body on the “winning the drug war” pile. The warriors think that if the stack gets high enough, they can climb it and take their rightful place amongst the gods.&quot;

After the police and prosecutors climb the mountain of drug war dead bodies, they&#039;ll plant a flag pole in the asshole of the last one they killed in a No-Knock Late Night Drug Raid, too
.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post #14 MacGregory:  &#8220;throw another body on the “winning the drug war” pile. The warriors think that if the stack gets high enough, they can climb it and take their rightful place amongst the gods.&#8221;</p>
<p>After the police and prosecutors climb the mountain of drug war dead bodies, they&#8217;ll plant a flag pole in the asshole of the last one they killed in a No-Knock Late Night Drug Raid, too<br />
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		<title>By: Mattocracy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mattocracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Feb 2012 16:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Again crazybob, you&#039;re assuming this safety features wouldn&#039;t exist if it wasn&#039;t for regulation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again crazybob, you&#8217;re assuming this safety features wouldn&#8217;t exist if it wasn&#8217;t for regulation.</p>
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		<title>By: MacGregory</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/02/29/morning-links-627/comment-page-1/#comment-2808717</link>
		<dc:creator>MacGregory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Feb 2012 16:29:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yep, throw another body on the &quot;winning the drug war&quot; pile. The warriors think that if the stack gets high enough, they can climb it and take their rightful place amongst the gods.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, throw another body on the &#8220;winning the drug war&#8221; pile. The warriors think that if the stack gets high enough, they can climb it and take their rightful place amongst the gods.</p>
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		<title>By: marco73</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/02/29/morning-links-627/comment-page-1/#comment-2808603</link>
		<dc:creator>marco73</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Feb 2012 15:57:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How can investigators still have work to do at the crime scene in that Utah shooting? 
I mean, the prosecutor already decided this is a death penalty case weeks ago. 
It seems like the entire prosecution will be: &quot; Dead cop. Death penalty.&quot;
Then have a kangaroo jury just say &quot;guilty.&quot;
And the neverending drug war can claim another victim.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can investigators still have work to do at the crime scene in that Utah shooting?<br />
I mean, the prosecutor already decided this is a death penalty case weeks ago.<br />
It seems like the entire prosecution will be: &#8221; Dead cop. Death penalty.&#8221;<br />
Then have a kangaroo jury just say &#8220;guilty.&#8221;<br />
And the neverending drug war can claim another victim.</p>
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