Reason.tv on the Gibson Guitar Raids

Thursday, February 23rd, 2012

The thing that’s most troubling about the Lacey Act is that it doesn’t require an actual complaint from the offended country for U.S. officials to investigate. In fact, it doesn’t even matter if the country whose laws you’re alleged to have broken actually believes you broke its laws. So in order to comply with the Act, you not only have to know all of the laws of the country from whom you’re importing, you also need to be able to anticipate how the various U.S. federal agencies who might claim jurisdiction over your imports might interpret any given law of any of those countries.

Indeed, in all three cases mentioned the video, the three countries in question—India, Madagascar, and Honduras—all found that the party targeted by the U.S. government hadn’t actually broken any of the country’s laws. In fact, the attorney general of Honduras filed a brief in the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 11th Circuit of on behalf of the lobster guys, stating that they hadn’t violated any Honduran law. It didn’t matter. The court ruled that the U.S. government officials know the laws of Honduras better than the Honduran government.

 

 

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14 Responses to “Reason.tv on the Gibson Guitar Raids”

  1. #1 |  Bob | 

    Obviously, the message from the Government is that you shouldn’t attempt to manufacture anything in the United States. That’s what other countries are for.

  2. #2 |  BamBam | 

    Government is simply other humans perpetrating evil because no one bothers to stop them. Compartmentalized / dispersed guilt for the inevitable destruction (physical and otherwise) allows people to convince themselves that their part in the destruction is ok because they didn’t directly cause it.

    http://www.strike- the- root.com/state-is-firing-squad

    Why are Strike The Root links blocked from being posted?

  3. #3 |  EH | 

    Are they and/or their fans a bunch of psychos?

  4. #4 |  jdb79 | 

    I’ve been following the Gibson persecution since news broke, but I had not heard of David McNab, another famous violator of the Lacey Act, until I followed a couple of links found on Reason.

    http://www.overcriminalized.com/CaseStudy/McNab-Imprison-by-Foreign-Laws.aspx

    http://reason.com/archives/2007/04/02/pardon-libby-maybe-but-not-alo

    To save time and effort, the next time a well-meaning leftist asks why I distrust government to accomplish anything entailing efficiency or human decency, I’m going to give them a printout of the first webpage and then be about my business.

  5. #5 |  Marty | 

    this is a company that’s woven into our fabric- ‘made in USA’ is part of their marketing strategy. that these bureaucrats are this eager to run over this company is pretty terrifying.

  6. #6 |  Dave Krueger | 

    Juts more proof that laws are passed and enforced only for politicians (and their friends), not the public.

  7. #7 |  Brotherhood followup: Gibson Guitars Raid - INGunOwners | 

    [...] Raid One would think, surely, Gibson would have had their day in court now. Well, tough luck. Reason.tv on the Gibson Guitar Raids | The Agitator As is pointed out in the video and article, this situation has nothing to do with conservation and [...]

  8. #8 |  CyniCAl | 

    It’s all about sovereignty.

    You see, the United States Government does not respect — nay, does not ACKNOWLEDGE — the sovereignty of any other national government.

    To the USG, all non-USG entities are vassals.

  9. #9 |  CyniCAl | 

    @#2 | BamBam

    For reals? Strike The Root links won’t appear here? Hmm. I know Radley doesn’t cater to anarchists, but he’s no censor.

  10. #10 |  SJE | 

    I am still flabbergasted by the lobster story, even tho it is years later. And for those who want to make it a partisan issue: they were initially charged under Clinton, and convicted and sentenced under Bush II. Both the DEMS and GOP could have acted to stop this ridiculous case.

  11. #11 |  kindness | 

    The Gibson case was fraud and Gibson knew they were perpetrating fraud. So you are saying it’s OK? No. It’s not OK.

  12. #12 |  Radley Balko | 

    The Gibson case was fraud and Gibson knew they were perpetrating fraud. So you are saying it’s OK? No. It’s not OK.

    Excellent point. I concede.

  13. #13 |  Some Misc. Items for Saturday » Scott Lazarowitz's Blog | 

    [...] is sad that the U.S. government has been harassing a respectable guitar manufacturer, the Gibson Guitar Company, for no good reason. They have no [...]

  14. #14 |  February 22 roundup | 

    [...] “Bill introduced to de-criminalize the Lacey Act” [Paul Enzinna, PoL; earlier on Gibson Guitar and wood imports here, here] More: Reason.tv on the raids [Balko] [...]

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