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Friday, February 17th, 2012

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  1. #1 |  crazybob | 

    The debt chart is actually pretty re-assuring in that is show a major stabilization of the debt through 2020 or so. Since no one in their right mind would believe that the Obama budget will continue into the indefinite future, the fact that there is an increase (a rather suspicious straight line i might add) after 2020 its not really relevant. We don’t know what the economy or tax policy will bring that far out so the increasing line is essentially scare mongering.

  2. #2 |  Helmut O' Hooligan | 

    “I have met him several times and he has been a great supporter of the cause,” said Andrew Murie, general manager of MADD Canada.
    “It is hard for me to comment. People can have problems with alcohol and sometimes make poor decisions.”

    Andrew Murie of MADD is also known as Captain Obvious, I believe. Yes, people can have problems with alcohol and make poor decisions. People who are not, say, police commanders, often get charged criminally for such decisions. But police have stressful jobs and all so we should let ’em slide. And we should also let RN’s and doctors steal Fentanyl and other drugs intended for patients. Whew, gotta get rid of that stress.

  3. #3 |  SJE | 

    The debt chart is terrifying. At the same time, I’d take the opinion of AEI more seriously if it had been more consistently anti-debt during the Bush presidency, like Cato.

  4. #4 |  Aresen | 

    crazybob | February 17th, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    Since no one in their right mind would believe that the Obama budget will continue into the indefinite future,

    Congress has shown consistently that it will ignore the direction it is driving until after it has hit the concrete wall.

    Then they will blame the person wearing the seatbelt in the back seat.

  5. #5 |  derfel cadarn | 

    I believe the solution to one of our greatest problems in America today is right before our eyes. ANYONE that works in ANY law enforcement capacity should be held to twice the standard of the general public not less. If ignorance of the law is not an excuse for you then it is even less an excuse for LEOs. If this moron can not be bothered to know the law,after all it is his job,then why would you or I not also be exempt ? Elitism again rears its ugly head, the LAW is only for us MUNDANES.

  6. #6 |  thomasblair | 


    The reason it shows as stabilizing is because is %GDP is on the y-axis and the Obama administration has assumed some really fucking crazy growth numbers for the next 8 years. Shit like 4-6%/year. Not gonna happen.

  7. #7 |  jb | 

    In fairness, Witty is not head of Working Under the Influence enforcement.

  8. #8 |  crazybob | 

    Thomasblair – your statement is false. So why did you make it???

    “The Administration projects real GDP growth to be 2.7 percent in 2012 and 3.0 percent in 2013, compared to 2.2 percent and 1 percent, respectively, from the CBO.”

    2.7 and 3% are optimistic, true, but they are very much in line with the historical US growth rates over the last 75 years. The CBO always tends to be conservative on growth, for political reasons.

    You may be right- the cuts to gov. infrastructure spending (physical, scientific and educational) that has been the traditional drivers of growth in the US economy will certainly result in lower future growth than what we have seen since WWII.

  9. #9 |  Boyd Durkin | 

    US Government and Debt: you cannot stop it, control it, or fix it. Your only hope is to position yourself to survive.

    We don’t know what the economy or tax policy will bring that far out so the increasing line is essentially scare mongering.

    In this case, past performance IS an indicator of future performance. Granted, I’m using my specific definition but there is still no serious discussion or action on debt reduction. I know how I’m betting.

  10. #10 |  Fascist Nation | 

    So a police Captain no less–head of the Professional Standards Board–I guess cleared himsel o two violations of the law cuz he didn’t know better and managed to penalize a underling whom he called for the law violating photos late one night when he had a brainstorm before lobbying the legiscritters the next day to block open carry of weapons. Sounds like an honest cop to me….

  11. #11 |  Boyd Durkin | 

    3.6% 2014
    4.1% 2015

    Optimism you can bet against!

  12. #12 |  nigmalg | 

    You can put the Florida Law Enforcement industry right up there with the other greats such as Chicago and Los Angeles.

    Quasi-public positions staffed with union brass and corrupted to the core. Does anyone actually think they’re going to hold any nobile responsible?

  13. #13 |  C. S. P. Schofield | 


    “no one in their right mind would believe that the Obama budget will continue into the indefinite future”

    Know of anyone you’d describe as “in their right mind” in congress, or the administration?

    I wish I knew enough about the stock market to make money betting against Obama’s projections.

    On another subject; I think the real test of the Keene situation will be if any of the political hacks who are defending the original decision still have jobs after the next local election.

  14. #14 |  Mattocracy | 

    The one thing I can is that no one will give a fuck about gay marriage, abortion, terrorism or anything else when this country is broke.

  15. #15 |  (B)oscoH | 

    College kids cannot write. That was painful to read. The dude was trying to over-impress with every cheap rhetorical trick in the English 101 book. Geez. OK, lesson to writers everywhere… The rule about writing for an eighth grade audience is not about dumbing it down for a fluoridated populace. It’s about respecting your reader and making it easy for the reader to understand the facts and analysis. It’s about elegance.

  16. #16 |  BamBam | 

    @14, I think you grossly underestimate the sheer stupidity and immorality of people. I suspect people will blame those things and more, and NOT blame the altar of democracy and won’t realize they are (economic) slaves on the plantation called government.

  17. #17 |  Aresen | 

    @ Mattocracy | February 17th, 2012 at 1:50 pm

    If the sun were to explode tomorrow, the socons would blame gay marriage and abortion.

    Limbaugh would blame Obama.

  18. #18 |  Bob Mc | 

    Shooting up a Federal Building is “terrorism”, except when an ICE agent does it. Then it’s “workplace violence.

  19. #19 |  Dana Gower | 

    There are so many great quotes from the article on the BearCat:

    Police Chief Meola also said, “The BearCat is equipped with thermal imaging, off-road capabilities, hazardous materials handling capabilities and provides police escort if needed. This is a vehicle to be used professionally by professionals.”

  20. #20 |  SJE | 

    Mattocracy: I disagree. Even when the country is broke, I will still care about whether the government is telling me what to do. Protests against govt meddling have occurred in 2011 in both high growth and low growth countries.

    In fact, its highly likely that a govt that is over-regulating our private morals is going to be overregulating the economy, and making it harder for the economy to grow. Right now, we have the GOP (once again) focusing on morality, which means that we are again treated to a side show about contraception and abortion instead of more pressing issues like tax policy, social security, etc.

  21. #21 |  Mike T | 

    For those interested in Gary Johnson, the Market Ticker has been posting some very serious critiques of Johnson which show that his views about what the banks did render him unfit to be the Libertarian Party’s candidate.

  22. #22 |  Mario | 

    In “defense” of the Bearcat, here’s the quote I love:

    If you want to argue the $300,000 cost, then argue the cost of a dead officer in the streets for not having the protection they need.

    I would bet that there are people in Keene right now arguing for a stop sign or traffic light somewhere and not getting it until one or more people die at some particularly dangerous intersection. Isn’t that how public funding usually works?

    How many “dead officers in the streets” has Keene had in its entire history?

  23. #23 |  SJE | 

    re: dead officers in the street.

    As Radley has shown, the availability of SWAT equipment makes its use more common than would be justified by the situation or the training of the officers. As a result, you have these police officers doing stupid things, thinking they are safe, and get killed as a result. e.g. Ryan Frederick in VA, recent case in Provo, Utah.

    And, then there are the casualties among the rest of us.

  24. #24 |  Mike T | 


    Of course, the bearcat’s supporters neglect the fact that like any APC-like vehicle, it provides the men inside no security once they have to exit the vehicle to engage their targets. Granted, they could respond to a mall hostage crisis by crashing the bearcat through the entrance, driving up to the store and running the shooter over.

  25. #25 |  Boyd Durkin | 

    Capital Turrist:

    The man received what he thought was a vest with explosives, but the materials in the vest had been rendered inoperable by law enforcement, Justice Department spokesman Dean Boyd said.

    9-out-of-10 times this is the Feds putting out fires they started. Let’s see…and play Terrorism Bingo with the upcoming statements.

  26. #26 |  alldayeveryday | 

    re: Rutherford County, Tennessee

    the name Tennessee Freedom Coalition is sublime!

    the idea that an organization that seeks to limit the spectrum of gods that the population can worship/construct buildings to is called a Freedom Coalition is just… wow.

  27. #27 |  Stormy Dragon | 

    I do have one problem with the debt chart. The horrifying red basline part is correct, but I don’t think the green Ryan plan would be much better than the baseline. It depends on ridiculous assumptions about economic growth more than actual deficit reduction.

  28. #28 |  marco73 | 

    The Police Chief describes the bearcat as similar to a Brink’s truck. Well, instead of $300,000 for a new truck, why not just pick up a second hand Brink’s truck at auction, put on a sleek paint job, and Viola!
    Oh, wait, it’s a federal grant, so it isn’t local taxpayer money?
    Well of course, spend away! Officer safety is paramount.
    My prediction that I commented previously – this vehicle will be used as a show of force for minor drug busts in poor neighborhoods.

  29. #29 |  marco73 | 

    The Floriduh story about the Sheriff’s and lobbyists not knowing the law, and getting away with breaking the law and no penalty?
    In other breaking news, the Atlantic Ocean declared today that it is in fact wet.

  30. #30 |  primus | 

    This is just another boondoggle; the company that makes this armored cop carrier has political traction, the politicians want to reward them, and the taxpayers pay yet again. Is this not just another ‘bridge to nowhere’?

  31. #31 |  Chicagojon | 

    Re: Debt Graph

    Unreasonably high forecasted growth is nothing new…have you read budget reports before? Here’s some data I pulled from CBO reports a few years ago:

    January 2001 CBO projects govt from 2002-2011 will have a $5.6 trillion surplus
    January 2002 CBO projects 2003-2012 will have a $1.6 trillion surplus
    January 2003 CBO projects 2004-2013 will have a $1.3 trillion surplus*
    January 2004 CBO projects 2005-2014 will have a $1.9 trillion deficit
    January 2009 CBO projects 2009-2019 will have a $9 trillion deficit

    Nice swing from a forecasted 5.6 trillion dollar surplus to 1.9 trillion dollar debt in 4 years. Of course who possible could have imagined that Bush’s policies were going to bring debt [/sarcasm]. Their projected surpluses in the 2002 and 2003 reports are a joke.

    * (asterisk from above). In the 2003 report for the 10 year period from 2004 through 2013, the cumulative surplus is projected to total $1.3 trillion. But the last three years of the period are almost entirely responsible for that total. They’re saying that the next 7 years (2004-2010) will run at a deficit, but they’re predicting a miraculous turn around that will magically create a 3-year surplus (2011-2014) equal to the previous year’s forecasted 10 year surplus. I guess they missed on that one, huh?

    The CBO specifically is also hardly non-partisan. Their excuses during the Bush years about how things will turn around soon and references to the 80’s/Reaganomics are in stark contrast to the reports under Obama that are much more doom and gloom or black/white and don’t give a sense of upcoming & inevitable recovery.

  32. #32 |  Aresen | 

    Chicagojon | February 17th, 2012 at 5:19 pm

    …don’t give a sense of upcoming & inevitable recovery.

    Yes, The US economy will recover eventually.

    So will Greece’s.

    And Zimbabwe’s.

  33. #33 |  SJE | 


    Actually, I would be fairly bullish on Zimbabwe. It is such a basket case that it would be hard to get much worse.

  34. #34 |  UCrawford | 

    I think on the Bearcat story, the quote that sums up the stupidity of the cops is the one where the officer claims that the only reason Keene is livable is because the officers “fight what the people fear”. As if the people are living in fear in a town that has had two murders in the last 13 years. Basically, the police of Keene see themselves as superheroes and not getting their war wagon shoots holes in the fantasy so they’re going to throw a temper tantrum until they get what they want.

    Sounds like Keene should be in search of a new police chief. The current one sounds like he’s about 12 years old.

  35. #35 |  Leon Wolfeson | 

    Yea, Radley, you push for the same prescription which has made the UK a….oh, weak and failing country economy where a lost decade is the GOOD outcome.

  36. #36 |  Frank Hummel | 

    “The BearCat is equipped with thermal imaging, off-road capabilities,”

    My 96 Explorer has offroad capabilities and it probably did more off-roading than the Keene Bearcat APC ever will.

    As for the thermal imaging system, what, i might ask, will the cops to with it on an armored vehicle? An individual portable system is about 7k (OK, maybe 9k for law enforcement if the salesman splits the commission with the police chief). And guess what, if you have some loser lost in the woods you can actually have some officers walk those woods looking for the guy.

  37. #37 |  Mattocracy | 

    Wow Leon, talk about a make believe statement.

  38. #38 |  Pugnacious | 

    This New-South anti-Islamic demagoguer up in Tennessee, encouraged by the likes of their Northern Arab-baiting demagogue counterparts in powerful positions on Senate/House foreign affairs and armed services committees(Leiberman, Levineses, Ros-Leichten, etal) is most evident in southern national guard troops, particularily MP brigades, that are now operating in the Horn of Africa and beyond.

    I spoke with a Special Ops operative who is just back from deploying to Uganda in the hunt for Joseph Kony of the Lords Resaistance Army. He claimed that they are two weeks behind in “eliminating” him.

    The orders are not to “arrest” him or take him captive, but to liquidate(massacre) him and his two hundred followers. I could not believe his casual talk of lynching these people that have never threatened him or his family. And all we know about them is that the CIA’s Museveni wants him “liquidated.”

    Museveni is a graduate of the US Army’s MP academy a Fort Leavenworth, as is Rwanda’s genocidaire, Paul Kagame.

    This brings to mind the assassination of the former Belgian Congo’s Patrice Lumumba in 1962, on direct orders from President Eisenhower to the DIA to “liquidate” Lumumba. This was revealed in a conversation with former DIA operative Larry Devlin.

  39. #39 |  Pugnacious | 

    Larry Devlin’s “indictment” of Ike ordering Lumumba’s “liquidation” is at 5:30 into the video.

  40. #40 |  Pugnacious | 

    I would bet that there are people in Keene right now arguing for a stop sign or traffic light somewhere and not getting it until one or more people die at some particularly dangerous intersection. Isn’t that how public funding usually works?

    My former brother-in law said , that in upstate New York the only way to get DOT to install a Four- Way “STOP” sign at a dangerous intersection, was the occurence of four wrecks resulting in deaths:A widow, a Priest and two Rabbis.

  41. #41 |  Cynic in New York | 


    He’s right, NY only does something about traffic safety until after an accident happens.

  42. #42 |  Delta | 

    #24, “Granted, they could respond to a mall hostage crisis by crashing the bearcat through the entrance, driving up to the store and running the shooter over.”

    … and also the hostages which he is, of course, holding.

  43. #43 |  Nancy Lebovitz | 

    Radley’s comments about the Bearcat (next winner of the Westminster dog show) got picked up by Ta-Nehisi Coates at The Atlantic.

    There’s some good lively discussion there.

  44. #44 |  EBL | 

    Mark Steyn already ruined my weekend. Your link just made me more depressed. Thanks Radley. Can’t I just enjoy a waffle in the morning?

  45. #45 |  Highway | 

    I know it’s a tangent, but whether you think an intersection is ‘dangerous’ or not matters very little. Extraneous and unwarranted traffic control devices (4-way stop, signals, speed humps, etc) do little to increase actual safety, and come at costs both in installation and maintenance and lost time and productivity for everyone who passes through them. They also incur a cost of complacency: traffic control devices at locations that do not warrant them teach drivers and pedestrians bad habits, because they intuitively recognize that they are being unnecessarily impeded, and this has far reaching effects at all other traffic control devices of the same type.

    If there’s an intersection you *think* is dangerous, then be careful going through it. If it’s an intersection that *actually* is dangerous there will be the accident or delay data to back it up. Feel free to let the local traffic department know that you think it’s dangerous, but realize that they will likely do something about it if there is an actual hazard condition that can be solved by a traffic control device, so if they don’t do anything, there is likely nothing they think will help and is feasible.

  46. #46 |  Juice | 

    Seen this?

  47. #47 |  Pugnacious | 

    I cannot speak for your State, but in Mississippi speed bumps and humps have saved lives where they were installed after record death tolls had occurred. At grade level crossings on major highway intersections across our State , where there is no Four-Way stop, there have been unnecessary deaths and injuries. No Rabbis here, just Mennonite farm folk and drunken Baptists.The farm-to-market roads just have a reflective STOP sign at the intersection with no warning.

    If speed bumps are good enough for the Germans, they’re alright with me.

  48. #48 |  crzyb0b | 

    ‘Seen this?”

    If he shot through the window it will be easy to tell what position the window was in when the bullet passed through. If it was all the way up, then the officers arm was not caught in it.

  49. #49 |  Pugnacious | 

    unnecessary deaths=deaths that would not have occurred had these safety features been part of the original highway planning process.

  50. #50 |  nospam | 

    I figured you guys would all love this one from my neck of the woods:

    Long story short, off duty state trooper gets popped for doing 102 mph and blows a .16 on the breathalyzer…and doesn’t go to jail. Sent home, on leave, with pay of course.

  51. #51 |  Pugnacious | 

    More on those “nice folks next door.”

    E. J. Kimball’s NCJA “roots.”

  52. #52 |  Pugnacious | 

    With folks like E.J. Kimball at the FBI, is there any wonder that the “mother of all false flag ops” –the bombing of Pan Am 109 over Lockerbie, Scotland– was the work of CIA/FBI provocateurs?

    The Lockerbie truth according to John Pilger.

  53. #53 |  Pugnacious | 


    That should read “Pan Am 103.”

  54. #54 |  Pugnacious | 

    The new retroreflective STOP signs– mandated by the Federal Highway Administration to be in place by 2015 –are rare in Mississippi rural areas where they are needed most. And Mississippi law enforcement and corporate metal scrap dealers have done nothing interdict the theft of aluminum traffic signs and cast iron manhole covers. Mississippi police and sheriffs are too busy busting pot users and engaging in high speed chases after shoplifters.

  55. #55 |  Pugnacious | 

    A high speed chase gone bad. I know this sounds “racist,” but a “skert” black man will run . That’s why the cops call’em runners—they rarely turn and fight. And the claim by cops that the shoplifters attempted to “run over” them is laughable. That “attempted to tun over them” argument is the claim that Miami Police used for their high speed chase last Memorial Day when a fleeing suspect was gunned down with over 60 bullets fired into his car after it had stopped.

  56. #56 |  Pugnacious | 

    Where’s everybody?

    Promenading at the Mardis Gras?

    A lesser known non-hit for the Fat Man…looking for his Zulu Queen.

  57. #57 |  Pugnacious | 

    skert as defined by The Urban Dictionary

    …to drive really fast and out of control, especially around blind corners of the parking garage, or running from the po po.

    escalade skertin on 22s

  58. #58 |  Pugnacious | 

    @ #46


    Another “dragging” incident last week with black-on-black shooting.

  59. #59 |  Pugnacious | 

    So, “care and control” of a vehicle is why an intoxicated Randy Travis was arrested while sitting in his parked car at a church parking lot?

  60. #60 |  jnc | 

    “So this is fairly terrifying. But remember — debt doesn’t matter!”

    The only thing terrifying about that chart is that anyone would believe anything the hacks at AEI say about what is going to happen in 60 years.

  61. #61 |  no spam | 

    I figured you guys would all love this one from my neck of the woods:

    Long story short, off duty state trooper gets popped for doing 102 mph and blows a .16 on the breathalyzer…and doesn’t go to jail. Sent home, on leave, with pay of course.

  62. #62 |  bacchys | 

    Alright, it’s been two days without new Agitator content!

    You’re killing us, Radley. Killing us!

  63. #63 |  Leon Wolfeson | 

    @37 – What economic results from the UK would you like to point to in terms of disproving this?

  64. #64 |  Pi Guy | 

    …it’s been two days without new Agitator content!

    DTs starting to set in here, too, Dude

  65. #65 |  Pugnacious | 

    I suspect that we’ll soon be getting photos of Mardis Gras in Prague.

  66. #66 |  Pugnacious | 

    Munich’s Mardis Gras is the best and the food there is wundervoll!

  67. #67 |  Mattocracy | 

    I’m guessing you’re trying to dismiss this idea that debt destroys economies. It does. It creates inflation. It weakens your currency. It robs the private sector of capital. It forces a governments expenditures to go towards interest payments instead of services, or heaven forbid, back to the taxpayer.

    These are the things that put America and the UK in the hole more than once throughout recent history. The last economic collapse wasn’t from a lack of government spending. It was from government over inflating the housing sector and keeping interest rates far too low.

  68. #68 |  Pugnacious | 



    You failed to mention that it was woman driver. Not that it matters.

    Trump this!

  69. #69 |  Leon Wolfeson | 

    @67 – Absolutely incorrect. Debt *over a long period* is a bad thing. However, having a stalled economy is worse than short-term spending.

    *Austerity* (as opposed to measured cuts) destroys economies.

    The collapse ongoing in England is because the government is suppressing demand. (Oh, and creating a huge unemployment problem while at the same time using the language of labelling unemployed people as “scroungers”).

    Most of the “cuts” being made in Britain will cost people FAR more in the longer run. (Classic example – they closed the central body which set procurement standards for school IT. This is costing schools £4 million a year, and has fragmented IT provision…)

  70. #70 |  Pugnacious | 

    As for dining in at a Bavarian restuarant at Mardis Gras, I think I’d go for the New Orleans -style vegan Rice and beans.

  71. #71 |  plutosdad | 

    Toronto streets are so dangerous. This is the town where the former AG ran over a guy on a bicycle 3 times (backed up twice to hit him again), and it’s even on video (you can find it on youtube quite easily), and charges were dropped. He was “afraid for his wife”. My father had a defendant that hit someone 3 times in “self defense”, yeah that did not wash with the jury.

    Then the next mayor said cyclists should just stay off the streets. yeah, I think Toronto, like Alabama, is just a place where no one else will want to go soon. Except in Alabama they used to kill people, on Toronto streets they actually are.