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	<description>It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do.</description>
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		<title>By: Ingrid</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/02/11/more-on-ramarley-graham/comment-page-1/#comment-2738969</link>
		<dc:creator>Ingrid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 15:41:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Did anyone catch the news last night on 2/14/12? Yet, a 3rd case of a cop being shot and hit in less than a month.  These civil servants risk their lives everyday trying to protect ungrateful civilians.  True, like with every job, there may be a few bad seeds; however, they work in one of our Nation&#039;s biggest cities. Criminals are the ones who think they are above the law; those running from the cops are in the wrong. Police can be trigger happy because they&#039;ve attended so many funerals with fallen brothers and sisters because criminals shot them down in moments of doubt.  It is a dangerous time. If they hadn&#039;t have barged in and the scenario turned in another direction- (I.E. the kid shot people in a house he was trying to hide in) you&#039;d be crucifying the police for not using force to enter the building. It is a lose-lose for them.  You people will never be happy. You&#039;d rather it be vigilantes running the streets and legalized drugs getting your kids and grandparents hooked and stoned. What a world.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did anyone catch the news last night on 2/14/12? Yet, a 3rd case of a cop being shot and hit in less than a month.  These civil servants risk their lives everyday trying to protect ungrateful civilians.  True, like with every job, there may be a few bad seeds; however, they work in one of our Nation&#8217;s biggest cities. Criminals are the ones who think they are above the law; those running from the cops are in the wrong. Police can be trigger happy because they&#8217;ve attended so many funerals with fallen brothers and sisters because criminals shot them down in moments of doubt.  It is a dangerous time. If they hadn&#8217;t have barged in and the scenario turned in another direction- (I.E. the kid shot people in a house he was trying to hide in) you&#8217;d be crucifying the police for not using force to enter the building. It is a lose-lose for them.  You people will never be happy. You&#8217;d rather it be vigilantes running the streets and legalized drugs getting your kids and grandparents hooked and stoned. What a world.</p>
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		<title>By: Roho</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 18:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#11 - Bergman

Hm.  They could start using that for willy-nilly deployment of the Tazer, too.  After all, if the subject weren&#039;t resisting, the Tazer wouldn&#039;t even work!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#11 &#8211; Bergman</p>
<p>Hm.  They could start using that for willy-nilly deployment of the Tazer, too.  After all, if the subject weren&#8217;t resisting, the Tazer wouldn&#8217;t even work!</p>
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		<title>By: CyniCAl</title>
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		<dc:creator>CyniCAl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2012 19:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lynching is alive and well and living in NYC.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lynching is alive and well and living in NYC.</p>
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		<title>By: John P.</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/02/11/more-on-ramarley-graham/comment-page-1/#comment-2724679</link>
		<dc:creator>John P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2012 18:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[QUOTE
Just another mantra they chant to absolve themselves of any responsibility.
END QUOTE

Its how the psychologically justify their actions, its also how they provoke the pack response mentality.

There is a psychological term or classification for this act. I saw it used recently in an article describing how these flash mobs all get whipped into a frenzy then start hurting people. Like that flash mob in Philly did when they killed that old man. 

What we are seeing here is no different, except the attackers are cloaked in police garb.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>QUOTE<br />
Just another mantra they chant to absolve themselves of any responsibility.<br />
END QUOTE</p>
<p>Its how the psychologically justify their actions, its also how they provoke the pack response mentality.</p>
<p>There is a psychological term or classification for this act. I saw it used recently in an article describing how these flash mobs all get whipped into a frenzy then start hurting people. Like that flash mob in Philly did when they killed that old man. </p>
<p>What we are seeing here is no different, except the attackers are cloaked in police garb.</p>
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		<title>By: Bergman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bergman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2012 15:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well of COURSE he&#039;s resisting.  Their fists aren&#039;t passing through his body, their punches are bouncing off his bones.  Therefore he&#039;s resisting them!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well of COURSE he&#8217;s resisting.  Their fists aren&#8217;t passing through his body, their punches are bouncing off his bones.  Therefore he&#8217;s resisting them!</p>
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		<title>By: paranoiastrksdp</title>
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		<dc:creator>paranoiastrksdp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2012 06:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[He&#039;s Got A Gun = Stop Resisting = It&#039;s coming right for us!

Just another mantra they chant to absolve themselves of any responsibility.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;s Got A Gun = Stop Resisting = It&#8217;s coming right for us!</p>
<p>Just another mantra they chant to absolve themselves of any responsibility.</p>
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		<title>By: John P.</title>
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		<dc:creator>John P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2012 01:52:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Simply reaching for your wallet these days, a normal act when a cop asks for your ID... will get you killed...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simply reaching for your wallet these days, a normal act when a cop asks for your ID&#8230; will get you killed&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: John P.</title>
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		<dc:creator>John P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2012 01:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[By yelling gun! The cops can simply justify any shooting now...

Its the same as them yelling for a person to stop resisting while 5 cops, piled onto of another person, all beat the crap out of the &quot;suspect&quot;...

We have reached a point where cops are now justifying murder of unarmed people by simple saying they thought they saw a gun...

Half of L.A. County &#039;waistband shootings&#039; involve unarmed people...

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/sep/23/local/la-me-unarmed-shootings-20110923]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By yelling gun! The cops can simply justify any shooting now&#8230;</p>
<p>Its the same as them yelling for a person to stop resisting while 5 cops, piled onto of another person, all beat the crap out of the &#8220;suspect&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>We have reached a point where cops are now justifying murder of unarmed people by simple saying they thought they saw a gun&#8230;</p>
<p>Half of L.A. County &#8216;waistband shootings&#8217; involve unarmed people&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://articles.latimes.com/2011/sep/23/local/la-me-unarmed-shootings-20110923" rel="nofollow">http://articles.latimes.com/2011/sep/23/local/la-me-unarmed-shootings-20110923</a></p>
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		<title>By: terrence</title>
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		<dc:creator>terrence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2012 01:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cops are pigs. Period. Full Stop. - the murderer, his partners in crime, their bosses, the scum bag pigs who LIED through their teeth to try to cover their a$$es are ALL PIGS. Any cop who does not publicly denounce these murdering scum-bag PIGS are PIGS themselves.  

The murdering PIG should be in jail, pending his murder trail, and a potential death sentence.  

I know, I know, PIGS are above the law, and peasants and serfs are subject to the law and random murder by the PIGS - especially if the peasnat is black.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cops are pigs. Period. Full Stop. &#8211; the murderer, his partners in crime, their bosses, the scum bag pigs who LIED through their teeth to try to cover their a$$es are ALL PIGS. Any cop who does not publicly denounce these murdering scum-bag PIGS are PIGS themselves.  </p>
<p>The murdering PIG should be in jail, pending his murder trail, and a potential death sentence.  </p>
<p>I know, I know, PIGS are above the law, and peasants and serfs are subject to the law and random murder by the PIGS &#8211; especially if the peasnat is black.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl-Bear</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl-Bear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 23:48:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m getting old. I remember when cops carried a spare throwdown to plant on dead (unarmed) suspects.

Now, &quot;I&#039;m off my (or on unapproved) meds and hallucinated a purply-and-neon-spangly-starred-gun that shot beams of glitter and felt in fear for my cowardly life&quot; is all it takes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m getting old. I remember when cops carried a spare throwdown to plant on dead (unarmed) suspects.</p>
<p>Now, &#8220;I&#8217;m off my (or on unapproved) meds and hallucinated a purply-and-neon-spangly-starred-gun that shot beams of glitter and felt in fear for my cowardly life&#8221; is all it takes.</p>
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		<title>By: Jselvy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jselvy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 21:27:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Remember that &quot;gun,gun&quot; is the police version of the famous South Park &quot;It&#039;s coming right for us!&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember that &#8220;gun,gun&#8221; is the police version of the famous South Park &#8220;It&#8217;s coming right for us!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jamie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 21:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;I&gt;we take the police story at face value, the cops twice saw a gun that they have yet to find, and doesn’t appear to have existed.&lt;/I&gt;

Preaching to the choir here, I know, but it is important to keep in mind:

- actually dangerous situations involving suspects with guns seem to cause a shift in police tactics, involving waiting the suspect out. Actual situations vary, of course, but this Rambo shit seems to generally not happen when they know ahead of time that the situation is dangerous.*

- &quot;they&#039;re just a bunch of fascists&quot; isn&#039;t a good explanation for why cops act like this. There are deeper causes behind the absurd, tragic militarization of peace officers. 

 - As ubiquitous surveillance becomes the norm, people need to ensure that access is as open as possible. *

* there are second order  implications there about surveillance that I&#039;m not getting in to here, but are important. Yes, same footnote for both.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>we take the police story at face value, the cops twice saw a gun that they have yet to find, and doesn’t appear to have existed.</i></p>
<p>Preaching to the choir here, I know, but it is important to keep in mind:</p>
<p>- actually dangerous situations involving suspects with guns seem to cause a shift in police tactics, involving waiting the suspect out. Actual situations vary, of course, but this Rambo shit seems to generally not happen when they know ahead of time that the situation is dangerous.*</p>
<p>- &#8220;they&#8217;re just a bunch of fascists&#8221; isn&#8217;t a good explanation for why cops act like this. There are deeper causes behind the absurd, tragic militarization of peace officers. </p>
<p> &#8211; As ubiquitous surveillance becomes the norm, people need to ensure that access is as open as possible. *</p>
<p>* there are second order  implications there about surveillance that I&#8217;m not getting in to here, but are important. Yes, same footnote for both.</p>
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		<title>By: 30 year lawyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>30 year lawyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 20:37:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As usual the police story gets better and better as they learn what they need to say.

Apparently, the NYPD did leard one lesson from the 41 shots fired at Amadou Diallo, they have added this to their &quot;prepared remarks&quot; in all shootings: Haste’s partner told investigators that Haste . . . yelled “gun, gun” before firing, Kelly said.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As usual the police story gets better and better as they learn what they need to say.</p>
<p>Apparently, the NYPD did leard one lesson from the 41 shots fired at Amadou Diallo, they have added this to their &#8220;prepared remarks&#8221; in all shootings: Haste’s partner told investigators that Haste . . . yelled “gun, gun” before firing, Kelly said.</p>
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		<title>By: Stick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 20:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#039; “They can’t take matters into their own hands like this and violate the Constitution,” Emdin said. &#039;
 - But they do, and they get away with it - if the stories I read here and elsewhere are any indication - most of the time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216; “They can’t take matters into their own hands like this and violate the Constitution,” Emdin said. &#8216;<br />
 &#8211; But they do, and they get away with it &#8211; if the stories I read here and elsewhere are any indication &#8211; most of the time.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Krueger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Krueger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 20:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ok, so now we know cops yell, &quot;Gun, gun!&quot; right before they shoot you, just like they yell &quot;Stop resisting, stop resisting&quot; while they&#039;re beating the shit out of you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, so now we know cops yell, &#8220;Gun, gun!&#8221; right before they shoot you, just like they yell &#8220;Stop resisting, stop resisting&#8221; while they&#8217;re beating the shit out of you.</p>
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