I find it interesting that Mr. Kimsey is outraged beyond reason by the first and blase’ about the incidences of the second. This all indicates that he thinks that he is the rightful member of a privileged class and that their actions are all beyond reproach but anything critical of those actions is beyond the pale.

The old French aristocracy had a better grasp on proportionality and morality than their modern incarnation, the Law Enforcement Officer.

Pretty simple math, here.

Obviously, math is not your strong suit.

How can you believe that the presence of ‘properly armed, and trained, LE groups’ prevent terrorist activity when the thought of arrest or punishment is not a deterrent to a terrorist? I’m sure it’s a mixture of both, but do you think that LE’s function is more to prevent crime or investigate crime after it has occurred?

Also, could you give a sample of the “pretty simple math” that demonstrates how having SWAT teams have prevented terrorist attacks in rural towns?

Why do you think terrorists haven’t attacked all the rural towns in America that don’t have SWAT teams?

Finally, considering that terrorists are obviously not interested in attacking unprotected small towns, why are you so very frightened of terrorists?

Whoa! Radley posted, proliferated, threw gas on and proffered something that was not true?

Say it ain’t so!

I’ll cop to the ‘real ass’ thing.

I deny begin a part of the Sit, Wait And Talk folks.

Radley will have to speak to that.

You don’t know my ‘color’ and therefore your statement is inherently racist.

I’m cool with the “partisan troll” thing, though.

LEO? Yes.

Member of the SWAT Team? No.

“Mr. Kimsey, please inform me of the community that has been overrun by terrorists because of the lack of a ‘properly armed, and trained, LE groups are scaring them (terrorists) off’.”

I can’t inform you of that. Thankfully, ‘properly armed, and trained, LE groups’ are present and therefore, no community “has been overrun by terrorists.”

Pretty simple math, here.

You got me.

I tried to be well spoken.

http://sceniccity.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=police&thread=29500&page=1

Omar? Cat got your tongue, keyboard and pencil?

Whoa, sorry doggy. I was away from my computer for the 45 minutes you were furiously hitting refresh.

I didn’t say your second statement was dumb – I implied that you were lazy. Sorry for the confusion.

These attacks often take place in areas with high crime rates. If police come through, smashing down doors and breaking windows, how often do the residents return – after having no charges filed against them – to find their homes looted and possessions destroyed, either by the police or by burglars who find the home an easy target.

Then you have harm to reputations. Being thrown in jail for a day or two can cost people their careers if they handle sensitive information or finances, even if no charges are ever filed. People employed in service industries may be fired for missing a shift or two, no matter what the reason is for their absence. And wrong-door raids can still show up whenever people have background checks run on them for jobs, loans, etc.

Mr. Kimsey, please inform me of the community that has been overrun by terrorists because of the lack of a ‘properly armed, and trained, LE groups are scaring them (terrorists) off’. (That question, of course, is rhetorical. We all know that there is no such community).

On a serious note, would you tell me what LE functions your SWAT team performs? Does it serve drug warrants? Does it serve them in the ‘shock and awe’ manner that we have come to expect that it is performed? I’m sure that you train for all types of situations, but what other LE functions does the SWAT team actually get called out to perform? Are the officers that comprise the SWAT team dedicated to the team, or do they also serve as routine LE functions. Is the SWAT team funded by federal funds? Does the SWAT team obtain funds using asset forfeiture and do you think that it has any perverse affects on the motivations of officers?

I am trying to participate in an honest discussion. If you truly read this blog on a regular basis, I’m sure that you are aware of the perception of the inappropriate use of SWAT teams, the inappropriate use of force by regular LEOs, and the double standards that seem to be evident from the courts when is comes to these issues. Would you care to address any of these perceptions?

This. SWAT teams are appropriate for exactly one kind of situation: one where innocent lives are in immediate danger. Hostage situations, someone firing a weapon as people, that kind of thing.

In any other situation, there are better ways to deal with things. Rule number one: serve a warrant by knocking on the door like a civilized human being. If no one answers, and you are 100% certain they are at home and have yeard you, then you may have the option of breaking the door down. If the people are major dealers, they aren’t going to be able flush a whole marijuana plantation down the toilet in those few minutes.

That still doesn’t take a SWAT team. If you’re worried the people are armed and dangerous, nab them when they go out to the grocery store. Cut off their utilities and wait until they get thirsty, cold or hungry. Etc.

That may be wishful thinking. Black people in the south certainly couldn’t expect or enforce decent treatment from the police, but I have no idea what standard practice was otherwise. Anyone have information?

http://news.yahoo.com/frisbee-beach-ban-overblown-los-angeles-officials-002505081.html

The new changes are actually a loosening of 40-year old restrictions:

In fact the original law, which dates to 1970, makes it an infraction to “cast, toss, throw, kick or roll” anything other than a beach ball on a Los Angeles County beach — a rule that may have escaped the notice of many Southern Californians.

The ban now applies only during summer and lets beachgoers toss their footballs and Frisbees in designated areas, over the water or with permission from a lifeguard.