This should send a clear message to all suspected, actual, and potential drug dealers that they can’t use children and elderly women as human shields. Right?
Helmut O' Hooligan |
February 5th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
No, everthing is not “fine” and you don’t “have” to do this, officers.
I viewed this recording in its entirety before reading the blog post, so I didn’t know what was going to happen. Due to past episodes, I had a sinking feeling, of course. I am grateful that no residents, police officers or pets were harmed in this video. Compared to other incidents, this raid was almost mundane. But what is shown is still very, very wrong. People, including children, were frightened by the sudden intrusion of heavily armed people who claim to be public servants. To paraphrase Radley, the suggestion of violence was introduced into an environment that did not appear to be violent at all.
All of this happened–and continues to happen–because government entities refuse to let people make their own decsions with regard to (some) intoxicants. And law enforcement agencies continue the practice of barging into homes where children are present in order to “save the children,” I suppose. Trying to legislate drugs out of existence is a bit like trying to ban thunderstorms. People want to experiment with drugs now, as they have throughout human existence. Prohibition empowers organized crimes and destroys liberty. End the drug war now!
…real dangerous environment, family home and all. If they were actually concerned about armed resistance they probably should have actually checked the victims for weapons. Is it telling that they don’t ever seem to expect resistance in these videos? When I was arrested I had to stop one of the officers and almost forcibly get his attention to take my flipping .45 and he was flabbergasted that I was armed responding to noise at 4 in the morning.
It’s a serious case of wtf that this is considered normal.
How does this work again?
Officer to elderly lady “I’m going to put you in handcuffs, but you are not under arrest or being detained.”
Did that mean she could have left the scene, seeing as how she was not being detained or arrested?
Do they (the police) know what detainment is?
This just confirms what most people with a positive IQ were suspecting. The teams go on these raids with minimal tactical prep.
I don’t know much about these things but if i had to put one of these together i would get my team to know exactly the layout of the premises, where all doors, closets etc are. I would also keep surveillance on the target and know exactly how many people are on the premises. I guess it would be too much to ask to know who those people are…
This also confirmed by the Ogden, UT raid. I quote: “Court documents claim Stewart was in a hiding spot as the strike force was searching the house to see if anyone was inside”. Those guys didn’t even know if the house was empty or not. One very expensive lessons learned experience.
Oh, and somebody better watch the freaking back doors as well…
“I’m going to detain you, but since I have no legal reason to do so I will say that I am not. That way when you are later asked if you were detained you will be required to repeat my words or risk perjuring yourself. This blatant misrepresentation on my part is an effort to legally shield my department and myself from civil rights violation lawsuits.”
John Q. Ghost |
February 6th, 2012 at 9:58 pm
Helmut I agree completely once again.
You seem like a very rational, intelligent human being.
Christ on a Cracker |
February 7th, 2012 at 12:57 am
I am not an LEO, not even really familiar, but…
They busted into a house, guns armed and ready. The approached the house from a completely blind side. They school bus made me nervous and I don’t even know nuthin’ about this stuff. They were surprised by a neighbor in the yard next door. They couldn’t have someone undercover watching the place as they were pulling up? Guess there’s no glory in doing the grunt work.
They were prepared to fire on someone, but I didn’t see any paramedics around. Christ, we couldn’t have a high school football game without a squad on the sideline. No excuse.
This was terrorizing the neighborhood, nothing more. There was no reason a couple of uniformed cops couldn’t knock on the door and serve the warrant.
Helmut O' Hooligan |
February 7th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
Somebody over at the linked site claims that 4 people were arrested and that “an undisclosed amount of cocaine was found” and also that $4000 was seized and later forfeited. She doesn’t mention any convictions, but seems to be trying to imply guilt through the facts of the arrest and forfeiture.
They found a crack rock on the floor of the home, presumably tossed from the pocket of the adult male. They also found a rock or two in a car parked in the driveway. The cops were working on information suggesting that one of the adults in the house was a crack dealer. He was basically a crackhead who sold a rock or two to finance his own habit. All adults in the house were charged, including grandma. $5000 cash was seized, likely grandma’s life savings. In these cases, they file as many charges as possible knowing that the public defender will suggest a guilty plea 99% of the time. This makes the prosecution and the cops look like brave drug warriors as they add extra numbers to their drug war stats.