NYPD Shoots, Kills Unarmed Man During Drug Bust

Saturday, February 4th, 2012

Story here.

After they killed him, they then went after his grandmother.

After a police officer fatally shot an 18-year-old man in his Bronx apartment on Thursday, the man’s grandmother, a witness to the shooting, was taken into custody and held against her will for several hours, a friend of the family said on Saturday.

An officer confronted the man, Ramarley Graham, who was in the bathroom possibly trying to flush some marijuana down the toilet. A moment later, a shot rang out, killing the teenager.

While officers had trailed Mr. Graham to the apartment thinking he was armed, no gun was found, making the grandmother, Patricia Hartley, 58, a critical witness . . .

At this juncture little is known of precisely what Ms. Hartley saw and what of that she has told detectives.

But her treatment by the police in the hours after her grandson was killed could become a sticking point in an investigation that Police Commissioner Raymond W. Kelly said would be presented to a grand jury.

After Mr. Graham was killed, Ms. Hartley was taken to the 47th Precinct station house on Laconia Avenue and held for seven hours, according to Carlton Berkley, a friend of Ms. Hartley’s who said he had retired from the police force as a detective in the 30th Precinct in upper Manhattan. Mr. Berkley added that Ms. Hartley was forced to give a statement about what happened.

“She gave it against her will,” Mr. Berkley said. “She didn’t want to speak to the police.”

Mr. Berkley, speaking on Saturday outside the Graham family home on East 229th Street in Wakefield, said: “We’re going to fight that statement.”

But let’s not lose sight of what’s important, here. Thanks to the good work of these undercover narcotics cops, the pot Ramarley Graham allegedly flushed down the toilet just before he was killed is no longer on the streets of New York. No children will get high on that pot. And that’s really all that matters.

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28 Responses to “NYPD Shoots, Kills Unarmed Man During Drug Bust”

  1. #1 |  terraformer | 

    “She gave it against her will,” Mr. Berkley said. “She didn’t want to speak to the police.”

    Mr. Berkley, speaking on Saturday outside the Graham family home on East 229th Street in Wakefield, said: “We’re going to fight that statement.”

    How do they plan on fighting that statement? Unless they charge her, which I doubt they will, the only recourse on the statement is to exclude it from being used against her, which is very likely to happen. I don’t see how they can’t exclude it from being used to help the undercover. This is the problem with the exclusionary rule being the predominate means for fighting inappropriate government behavior.

  2. #2 |  Joshua | 

    Hey check this one out:

    http://ca.news.yahoo.com/muslim-man-workplace-quip-made-terror-suspect-211334769.html

  3. #3 |  Roho | 

    Look, if a grandmother has to get beaten to help frame her grandson for possession of a small amount of substance that might at some point in time allow someone to feel good, we should all accept that as working towards the greater good.

    The price of living in a free society!

  4. #4 |  croaker | 

    If I were a drinking man, I’d hoist one every time one of “Bloomberg’s Bullies” gets sent to hell. Since I’m not, there are other ways to celebrate the death of a tyrant.

  5. #5 |  C. S. P. Schofield | 

    It is increasingly hard to overestimate the ostentatious stupidity of either the War on Drugs or New York City’s Government under Bloomberg.

  6. #6 |  scott | 

    “who was in the bathroom possibly trying to flush some marijuana down the toilet”

    Gosh, what _else_ might he have been trying to flush? Urine? Excrement? Maybe?

  7. #7 |  Roho | 

    #6 – Yeah, that kinda’ jumped out at me, too. Let’s try some other combinations.

    “An officer confronted the man, Ramarley Graham, who was in the bathroom possibly trying to flush the results of a White Castle lunch down the toilet.”

    “An officer confronted the man, Ramarley Graham, who was in the bathroom possibly trying to flush his manuscript for Star Wars: Episode VII down the toilet.”

    “An officer confronted the man, Ramarley Graham, who was in the bathroom possibly trying to flush his recently deceased goldfish down the toilet.”

    “An officer confronted the man, Ramarley Graham, who was in the bathroom possibly trying to flush the Lost Ark of the Covenant down the toilet.”

    Wow, there’s all kinds of possibilities when you have no idea what he was actually flushing!

  8. #8 |  Jason | 

    Thanks to the good work of these undercover narcotics cops, Ramarley Graham will never get high again. And that’s really all that matters.

  9. #9 |  terrence | 

    Yet a another example that cops are murdering PIGS.I bet that the poor dear ossifur who did the shooting – the MURDER – will get a few months PAID VACATION as a REWARD (it will be called “stress leave”).

  10. #10 |  CyniCAl | 

    I didn’t want to comment until I saw a photo of the victim.

    I KNEW IT!!!

    He was Black!

    New York City is a much safer place if you’re not Black or Hispanic. It’s almost like the police have it in for minorities there.

    To the White folk: “Move along, nothing to see here.”

  11. #11 |  horseydeucey | 

    #8, will never get ALLEGEDLY high again.
    Either way, score one for Murcah!

  12. #12 |  BamBam | 

    @1, maybe her coerced statement will be used to get the cops off the hook, and if it weren’t for her statement, maybe the cops would face charges. HAHAHA I sure did make a funny there. Since statements/confessions aren’t recorded, cops can say anyone said anything and The State will believe it as fact. They can practice their creative writing skills, and there’s no way Citizen Serf can prove they DIDN’T make the statement.

  13. #13 |  Anthony | 

    #7 Roho,
    Come the fuck on, we all know the Lost Ark of the Covenant is locked in a crate in a giant warehouse somewhere .

  14. #14 |  Sindawe | 

    Please, someone tell me again why we suffer these fools to live?

  15. #15 |  Pugnacious | 

    No, the Arc of the Covenant is in a small vilage in Ethiopia guarded by agents of the Mossad.

  16. #16 |  JdL | 

    These cops need to be treated like the dangerous, armed criminals they are.

  17. #17 |  perlhaqr | 

    Pug: Hey, I’ve read that story!

    I have an acquaintance who is NYPD. I think she experiences a lot of cognitive dissonance between her job and reality.

  18. #18 |  croaker | 

    @14 Because it’s illegal to kill a nobleman, even in self-defense

  19. #19 |  c andrew | 

    @ 18,

    There is NOTHING noble about these ‘men.’

  20. #20 |  Helmut O' Hooligan | 

    CyniCAL: “New York City is a much safer place if you’re not Black or Hispanic. It’s almost like the police have it in for minorities there.”

    Oh come now, CyniCAL. Jus because NYPD’s aggressive “stop and frisk” program is used almost exclusively against blacks and hispanics. And just because of all the stories going back, say, one hundred plus years about ill treatment of blacks and others in New York City (I believe James Baldwin discussed this in some detail). Oh, and I bet you probably heard about Louima and Sean Bell and all those guys to. I mean CyniCAL, NYPD really seems to be totally color-blind. Yep, they call ‘em as they see em. Just ask the union!

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  22. #22 |  John Q. Ghost | 

    I replied to the Matthew Stewart article and don’t really have a lot more to add than I agree totally with everybody’s comments. Again, this is the definition of insanity. Am I missing something about this story? Why exactly did the office shoot the teen? He “thought” he was armed? I really have to wonder what goes through the cops’ minds that makes them think they are really doing the right thing. Must be nice to just be able to look at the world in black and white (no pun intended) with respect to U.S. drug laws without the slightest doubt or remorse. I seriously think I may move to the UK when my parents pass away. I just don’t like at all what I’m seeing lately in this country. I wouldn’t be surprised if the grandmother being a “critical” witness hinges on threatening her with possession charges as well, due to both living in the same apartment.

  23. #23 |  Mike T | 

    And yet, that arrogant pig fucker mayor of theirs is more concerned about Virginia’s gun laws and trans fats than his own out of control PD.

  24. #24 |  marco73 | 

    While officers had trailed Mr. Graham to the apartment thinking he was armed, no gun was found…

    NYPD has become a bunch of amateurs. Why didn’t one of the other cops just wander into the kitchen, grab a substantial looking knife, and toss that into the bathroom. The get some crime scene photos of the knife: there, justiification for killing someone in their bathroom. No need for a gun, and no need to rough up someone’s grandmother.

    Why didn’t they arrest Mr. Graham outside? Because once he goes into the apartment, then they can search the apartment without getting a warrant. Makes their job a lot easier.

    Some new professionalism. I’m sure Scalia would be proud.

  25. #25 |  Goober | 

    Why didn’t they arrest Mr. Graham outside? Because once he goes into the apartment, then they can search the apartment without getting a warrant. Makes their job a lot easier

    I was going to ask that very question. Is what you said true?

    I don’t understand why they let a lot of these guys go home before arresting them. Jose Guerena is a perfect example – he worked the night shift at a local mine, if memory serves. That means he had a predicatble schedule and the cops knew exactly when he would be walking across the parking lot at the mine – why not pick him up there away from innocent women and children and the dangers of dynamic entry into a residence? Why not pull him over on the way home from work? Snag him outside his house when he left for work that evening?

    It’s the same with this kid – why risk lives and let him go home first? If it is because of a perverse incentive to save on the paperwork for a search warrant, new rules could be passed to stop that mess pretty easily. One of the only times you’ll ever hear me say “there oughta be a law” is when that law constrains government or law enforcement from doing something bad to civilians who are innocent (and yes, no matter whether this kid was flushing pot or not, or whether Jose was dealing weed, they were innocent by the very definitions laid out in our legal system – innocent until proven guilty…)

  26. #26 |  CyniCAl | 

    #20 | Helmut O’ Hooligan

    Hi Helmut … should I have included the “/sarcasm” tag on my comment? Should you have? Why is sarcasm so hard to convey in writing?

    Of course NYPD is racist. All police forces are racist.

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