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	<title>Comments on: East Haven, Connecticut Cops Arrested on Federal Civil Rights Charges</title>
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		<title>By: Joseph Maturo&#8217;s Dinner &#124; The Agitator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph Maturo&#8217;s Dinner &#124; The Agitator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2012 17:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] the mayor of a small city in Connecticut. Four of your police officers have just been arrested by the FBI on federal civil rights charges. They&#8217;re accused of harassing and abusing the [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Arthur</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arthur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 22:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Although I would say this is clearly a PARTIAL victory, I think Len (#22) makes an important point.  The fact that there is any accountability at all for these thugs is a victory.  The fact that there is almost never any accountability at the local and state level for badged thugs necessitates the DOJ intervention.  The bad news is that relying on federal agencies to police LEOs is awful policy for reasons too numerous to list.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I would say this is clearly a PARTIAL victory, I think Len (#22) makes an important point.  The fact that there is any accountability at all for these thugs is a victory.  The fact that there is almost never any accountability at the local and state level for badged thugs necessitates the DOJ intervention.  The bad news is that relying on federal agencies to police LEOs is awful policy for reasons too numerous to list.</p>
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		<title>By: picachu</title>
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		<dc:creator>picachu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 21:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I sincerely hope those cops get the same mercy they&#039;ve shown to non-cops.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sincerely hope those cops get the same mercy they&#8217;ve shown to non-cops.</p>
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		<title>By: celticdragonchick</title>
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		<dc:creator>celticdragonchick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 18:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;While it’s nice to see these punk cops get their comeuppance, it’s not really a victory. It is actually just more usurpation by the federal government into state powers, meaning more accrual by the federal government, meaning more entrenchment, meaning it’s easier for tyranny to take place because the reach of the monster has increased.&lt;i&gt;

Bullshit.  If the state was doing its job, the feds would not have had to get involved.  This is not much different from the Mississippi civil rights murders in the early 60&#039;s when the state was either looking the other way or even abetting the criminals in law enforcement.  I don&#039;t think that Connecticut was helping the cops...but somebody at the the state level was not doing anything about it.

Bonus footage of the mayor of East Haven being an utter asshole and mocking Latinos at a news conference.
http://www.wpix.com/news/wpix-conn-officers-arrested-mayor-reax,0,2435685.story]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>While it’s nice to see these punk cops get their comeuppance, it’s not really a victory. It is actually just more usurpation by the federal government into state powers, meaning more accrual by the federal government, meaning more entrenchment, meaning it’s easier for tyranny to take place because the reach of the monster has increased.</i><i></p>
<p>Bullshit.  If the state was doing its job, the feds would not have had to get involved.  This is not much different from the Mississippi civil rights murders in the early 60&#8242;s when the state was either looking the other way or even abetting the criminals in law enforcement.  I don&#8217;t think that Connecticut was helping the cops&#8230;but somebody at the the state level was not doing anything about it.</p>
<p>Bonus footage of the mayor of East Haven being an utter asshole and mocking Latinos at a news conference.<br />
<a href="http://www.wpix.com/news/wpix-conn-officers-arrested-mayor-reax,0,2435685.story" rel="nofollow">http://www.wpix.com/news/wpix-conn-officers-arrested-mayor-reax,0,2435685.story</a></i></p>
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		<title>By: Tim W</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/01/24/east-haven-connecticut-cops-arrested-on-federal-civil-rights-charges/comment-page-1/#comment-2621317</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 16:47:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A prominent CT civil rights attorney offers some wry commentary about this case on his blog.
http://www.pattisblog.com/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A prominent CT civil rights attorney offers some wry commentary about this case on his blog.<br />
<a href="http://www.pattisblog.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.pattisblog.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Brent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 05:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Were any of them officer of the month/year?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Were any of them officer of the month/year?</p>
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		<title>By: Peter H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 01:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The enforcement of constitutionally guaranteed rights extended under the 14th amendment against the states is a legitimate federal role.  Like it or not, the reconstruction amendments were quite explicitly limiting the sovereignty of the states with respect to those states violating their citizens&#039; rights.

&quot;No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. ... The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The enforcement of constitutionally guaranteed rights extended under the 14th amendment against the states is a legitimate federal role.  Like it or not, the reconstruction amendments were quite explicitly limiting the sovereignty of the states with respect to those states violating their citizens&#8217; rights.</p>
<p>&#8220;No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. &#8230; The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: bacchys</title>
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		<dc:creator>bacchys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 01:29:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Following on Scott Jacobs&#039;s comment:

While I applaud DOJ&#039;s action here, it is tempered by the recognition that this prosecution is rooted in identity politics.  Civil rights remains an issue of group rights to the Federal government.  Tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of egregious violations of civil rights will go unprosecuted because DOJ can&#039;t find a race, sex, sexual orientation, or some other identity politics hook to rouse their interest.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Following on Scott Jacobs&#8217;s comment:</p>
<p>While I applaud DOJ&#8217;s action here, it is tempered by the recognition that this prosecution is rooted in identity politics.  Civil rights remains an issue of group rights to the Federal government.  Tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of egregious violations of civil rights will go unprosecuted because DOJ can&#8217;t find a race, sex, sexual orientation, or some other identity politics hook to rouse their interest.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Z.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Z.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 01:13:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Len: &quot;While it’s nice to see these punk cops get their comeuppance, it’s not really a victory.&quot;

The hell? It&#039;s not a victory when one government manages to do its fucking job and enforce our civil rights against the aggression of another government? What do you want, a pony?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Len: &#8220;While it’s nice to see these punk cops get their comeuppance, it’s not really a victory.&#8221;</p>
<p>The hell? It&#8217;s not a victory when one government manages to do its fucking job and enforce our civil rights against the aggression of another government? What do you want, a pony?</p>
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		<title>By: Len</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/01/24/east-haven-connecticut-cops-arrested-on-federal-civil-rights-charges/comment-page-1/#comment-2616999</link>
		<dc:creator>Len</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 21:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While it&#039;s nice to see these punk cops get their comeuppance, it&#039;s not really a victory. It is actually just more usurpation by the federal government into state powers, meaning more accrual by the federal government, meaning more entrenchment, meaning it&#039;s easier for tyranny to take place because the reach of the monster has increased. Regardless of whether one is an anarchist, minarchist, or whatever, the closer we come to true republican federalism, the better our state.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While it&#8217;s nice to see these punk cops get their comeuppance, it&#8217;s not really a victory. It is actually just more usurpation by the federal government into state powers, meaning more accrual by the federal government, meaning more entrenchment, meaning it&#8217;s easier for tyranny to take place because the reach of the monster has increased. Regardless of whether one is an anarchist, minarchist, or whatever, the closer we come to true republican federalism, the better our state.</p>
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		<title>By: Deoxy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deoxy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 21:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;“Would they be putting this sort of effort forward if the store owners had been white?”

Your question is irrelevant.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Not with this administration, it isn&#039;t.  The instances of their race-based decisions and treatment is overwhelming.

And actually, I think it should NEVER be irrelevant, whichever race you plug in there.  The answer to &quot;Would [the government] be putting forth the same level of effort if [person in question] was/wasn&#039;t [insert race here]&quot; should always ALWAYS be &quot;Yes.&quot;

White, black, brown, yellow, or purple, it should be the same.  Skin color should be absolutely irrelevant.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>“Would they be putting this sort of effort forward if the store owners had been white?”</p>
<p>Your question is irrelevant.</p></blockquote>
<p>Not with this administration, it isn&#8217;t.  The instances of their race-based decisions and treatment is overwhelming.</p>
<p>And actually, I think it should NEVER be irrelevant, whichever race you plug in there.  The answer to &#8220;Would [the government] be putting forth the same level of effort if [person in question] was/wasn&#8217;t [insert race here]&#8221; should always ALWAYS be &#8220;Yes.&#8221;</p>
<p>White, black, brown, yellow, or purple, it should be the same.  Skin color should be absolutely irrelevant.</p>
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		<title>By: BamBam</title>
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		<dc:creator>BamBam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 21:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To appease the masses.  For every instance of rightful punishment, there are likely thousands such instances going justly unpunished.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To appease the masses.  For every instance of rightful punishment, there are likely thousands such instances going justly unpunished.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 20:51:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#15 Dante: You forgot the one about

&quot;these heroes put their lives on the line for YOU every day blah blah blah&quot;...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#15 Dante: You forgot the one about</p>
<p>&#8220;these heroes put their lives on the line for YOU every day blah blah blah&#8221;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: nigmalg</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/01/24/east-haven-connecticut-cops-arrested-on-federal-civil-rights-charges/comment-page-1/#comment-2616767</link>
		<dc:creator>nigmalg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 20:47:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And it has to be said.. Can you imagine if it wasn&#039;t filmed?

No collection of witness testimony is enough to convict cops; it&#039;s hardly enough to indict them. Thank god for the video evidence. I&#039;m surprised the cop didn&#039;t tie up the loose ends and crush the camera.

What happened to the IA investigation? Why did the Feds have to come in?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And it has to be said.. Can you imagine if it wasn&#8217;t filmed?</p>
<p>No collection of witness testimony is enough to convict cops; it&#8217;s hardly enough to indict them. Thank god for the video evidence. I&#8217;m surprised the cop didn&#8217;t tie up the loose ends and crush the camera.</p>
<p>What happened to the IA investigation? Why did the Feds have to come in?</p>
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		<title>By: EH</title>
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		<dc:creator>EH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 20:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank golly it&#039;s an election year, eh?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank golly it&#8217;s an election year, eh?</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie O</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlie O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 20:10:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#13 Scott Jacobs.

Your question is irrelevant. The cops most likely would not have been harassing the store owners had they been white in the first place. There would be no DOJ action to be taken. And why does it matter?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#13 Scott Jacobs.</p>
<p>Your question is irrelevant. The cops most likely would not have been harassing the store owners had they been white in the first place. There would be no DOJ action to be taken. And why does it matter?</p>
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		<title>By: Dante</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dante</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 19:14:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[From the article:
“At its core, this is an abuse of power case,” said Assistant US Attorney General Thomas Perez.&quot;


(Predicted) Response from police:
Just an isolated incident.  One bad apple does not spoil them all.  Those officers were just doing their jobs, and like anyone else they just want to go home to their families at the end of the day.  These officers are heroes.  These officers have sacrificed themselves for the public.  These officers are serving the public.  We support our valiant officers.  Those officers don&#039;t make the laws they were enforcing.  If the citizens weren&#039;t doing anything wrong they should have nothing to hide.

Did I forget any?

Might as well add &quot;The dog ate my homework&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the article:<br />
“At its core, this is an abuse of power case,” said Assistant US Attorney General Thomas Perez.&#8221;</p>
<p>(Predicted) Response from police:<br />
Just an isolated incident.  One bad apple does not spoil them all.  Those officers were just doing their jobs, and like anyone else they just want to go home to their families at the end of the day.  These officers are heroes.  These officers have sacrificed themselves for the public.  These officers are serving the public.  We support our valiant officers.  Those officers don&#8217;t make the laws they were enforcing.  If the citizens weren&#8217;t doing anything wrong they should have nothing to hide.</p>
<p>Did I forget any?</p>
<p>Might as well add &#8220;The dog ate my homework&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Bergman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bergman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 18:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That conspiracy charge is the one that carries the highest penalty on conviction.
 
18USC242 makes it a crime for a public official using official authority under color of law (the FBI refers to these cases as simply &quot;color of law offenses&quot;) to infringe upon or deny any civil, statutory or constitutional right.  The law doesn&#039;t distinguish between local, county, state or federal rights.  A simple verbal discouragement is worth a year in federal prison if convicted.  The mere threat of deadly force (or its actual use) elevates the penalty to ten years in prison.  If anyone actually dies, if sexual abuse occurs that wouldn&#039;t have happened without the infringement or the victim is a minor, the penalty jumps to life in prison or execution.
 
18USC241 is conspiracy against rights, essentially two or more people working together to break 18USC242.  The theory here is that such bad actors are the rare one bad apple in a group, so the chance for someone to think &quot;wait a moment, this isn&#039;t right&quot; increases with population, so if they just forge ahead and follow the herd, they deserve what they get.  All penalties start off one step more severe than those in 18USC242.  Yes, this means that if two police officers are infringing upon your rights, and one rests his hand suggestively on his holstered pistol, both of them are guilty of a capital crime.
 
Whether or not simply being visibly armed with a deadly weapon while committing a crime constitutes a threat of deadly force is a gray area.  Courts have gone both ways on it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That conspiracy charge is the one that carries the highest penalty on conviction.</p>
<p>18USC242 makes it a crime for a public official using official authority under color of law (the FBI refers to these cases as simply &#8220;color of law offenses&#8221;) to infringe upon or deny any civil, statutory or constitutional right.  The law doesn&#8217;t distinguish between local, county, state or federal rights.  A simple verbal discouragement is worth a year in federal prison if convicted.  The mere threat of deadly force (or its actual use) elevates the penalty to ten years in prison.  If anyone actually dies, if sexual abuse occurs that wouldn&#8217;t have happened without the infringement or the victim is a minor, the penalty jumps to life in prison or execution.</p>
<p>18USC241 is conspiracy against rights, essentially two or more people working together to break 18USC242.  The theory here is that such bad actors are the rare one bad apple in a group, so the chance for someone to think &#8220;wait a moment, this isn&#8217;t right&#8221; increases with population, so if they just forge ahead and follow the herd, they deserve what they get.  All penalties start off one step more severe than those in 18USC242.  Yes, this means that if two police officers are infringing upon your rights, and one rests his hand suggestively on his holstered pistol, both of them are guilty of a capital crime.</p>
<p>Whether or not simply being visibly armed with a deadly weapon while committing a crime constitutes a threat of deadly force is a gray area.  Courts have gone both ways on it.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Jacobs (@AblativMeatshld)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Jacobs (@AblativMeatshld)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 18:54:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m glad to hear the DoJ is nailing these guys, but ask this question:

&quot;Would they be putting this sort of effort forward if the store owners had been white?&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad to hear the DoJ is nailing these guys, but ask this question:</p>
<p>&#8220;Would they be putting this sort of effort forward if the store owners had been white?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Difster</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/01/24/east-haven-connecticut-cops-arrested-on-federal-civil-rights-charges/comment-page-1/#comment-2616266</link>
		<dc:creator>Difster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 18:42:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[More convictions please!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More convictions please!</p>
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