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	<description>It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do.</description>
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		<title>By: jmcross</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/01/19/morning-links-607/comment-page-1/#comment-2592924</link>
		<dc:creator>jmcross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2012 01:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A simple explanation for the seeming rise in puppycide would be that cops see their union brothers getting away with it and have no fear of punishment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A simple explanation for the seeming rise in puppycide would be that cops see their union brothers getting away with it and have no fear of punishment.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/01/19/morning-links-607/comment-page-1/#comment-2592145</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2012 22:20:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not surprised by the US abandoning Iraqis.  Same thing we did to all the Vietnamese who helped us.  The US government has a long track record of treating people like garage - ask the Native Americans how good we upheld treaties.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not surprised by the US abandoning Iraqis.  Same thing we did to all the Vietnamese who helped us.  The US government has a long track record of treating people like garage &#8211; ask the Native Americans how good we upheld treaties.</p>
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		<title>By: EBL</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/01/19/morning-links-607/comment-page-1/#comment-2591529</link>
		<dc:creator>EBL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2012 20:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We should give interpreters who helped us visa.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOXtWxhlsUg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Is this U.S. policy?&lt;/a&gt;  Well, yeah, apparently it is.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We should give interpreters who helped us visa.  <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOXtWxhlsUg" rel="nofollow">Is this U.S. policy?</a>  Well, yeah, apparently it is.</p>
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		<title>By: Christ on a Cracker</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/01/19/morning-links-607/comment-page-1/#comment-2591374</link>
		<dc:creator>Christ on a Cracker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2012 19:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: Dog killing

The cops need to take lessons from the Post Office.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Dog killing</p>
<p>The cops need to take lessons from the Post Office.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/01/19/morning-links-607/comment-page-1/#comment-2591360</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2012 19:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Growing up in the 60&#039;s and the 70&#039;s I don&#039;t remember anything about cops killing dogs... now it seems to be protocol to kill any dog on the property whether on a chain or in a kennel. &quot;The dog was wagging his tail in an aggressive manner and I feared for my life.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Growing up in the 60&#8242;s and the 70&#8242;s I don&#8217;t remember anything about cops killing dogs&#8230; now it seems to be protocol to kill any dog on the property whether on a chain or in a kennel. &#8220;The dog was wagging his tail in an aggressive manner and I feared for my life.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Mc</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/01/19/morning-links-607/comment-page-1/#comment-2591262</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Mc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2012 19:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: &quot;Headline of the day.&quot;

Kind of misleading in that they surveyed &quot;555 respondents, each with investable assets of $1 million or more excluding real estate&quot; to ask about Buffet&#039;s proposal &quot;to raise taxes on households earning more than $1 million&quot;. 

According to the article, only 236,883 households have income of $1mm + while according to  http://money.cnn.com/2011/05/05/pf/millionaire_rise/index.htm  10,500,000 households have $1mm+ in assets.

Two different groups entirely.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: &#8220;Headline of the day.&#8221;</p>
<p>Kind of misleading in that they surveyed &#8220;555 respondents, each with investable assets of $1 million or more excluding real estate&#8221; to ask about Buffet&#8217;s proposal &#8220;to raise taxes on households earning more than $1 million&#8221;. </p>
<p>According to the article, only 236,883 households have income of $1mm + while according to  <a href="http://money.cnn.com/2011/05/05/pf/millionaire_rise/index.htm" rel="nofollow">http://money.cnn.com/2011/05/05/pf/millionaire_rise/index.htm</a>  10,500,000 households have $1mm+ in assets.</p>
<p>Two different groups entirely.</p>
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		<title>By: Boyd Durkin</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/01/19/morning-links-607/comment-page-1/#comment-2591106</link>
		<dc:creator>Boyd Durkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2012 18:29:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Has the US gotten a single thing right in this trillion dollar mess?
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
If you understand the real racket/game that was played (and their real goals), the Iraq War was pretty freakin&#039; successful.  Next up: Health Care.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Has the US gotten a single thing right in this trillion dollar mess?
</p></blockquote>
<p>If you understand the real racket/game that was played (and their real goals), the Iraq War was pretty freakin&#8217; successful.  Next up: Health Care.</p>
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		<title>By: Boyd Durkin</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/01/19/morning-links-607/comment-page-1/#comment-2591074</link>
		<dc:creator>Boyd Durkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2012 18:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;#13 &#124;  Chris Mallory 
They have already shown themselves to be Quislings and traitors to their own people.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Chris,
This is a poor way to look at the situation--and plays into the hands of the state as an &quot;almighty team&quot; to which you must swear fidelity.  There is no singular Iraq &quot;team&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>#13 |  Chris Mallory<br />
They have already shown themselves to be Quislings and traitors to their own people.
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<p>Chris,<br />
This is a poor way to look at the situation&#8211;and plays into the hands of the state as an &#8220;almighty team&#8221; to which you must swear fidelity.  There is no singular Iraq &#8220;team&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: CyniCAl</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/01/19/morning-links-607/comment-page-1/#comment-2591029</link>
		<dc:creator>CyniCAl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2012 18:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Geez, Radley, you think if I thought of something, someone else might have?  It&#039;s not just me here that&#039;s disgusted by the ambiguous &quot;we.&quot;

Let me put it another way.  I respect what you do.  I discuss your posts with my friends.  I also have high standards for writing and reading comprehension, which I believe I have in common with your average Agitatortot at least, and probably your modal one.  Regardless of the Humpty-Dumpty world we inhabit, words do have meanings.  It is more clear to use &quot;USG&quot; than it is to use &quot;we.&quot;  And a clear message is more well-received than an unclear or insulting one.

The reason for this is the knowledge that the individual has NO CONTROL over the actions of the government.  When one of your readers is confronted with your word &quot;we&quot; in the context of responsibility for or control of a government action, it&#039;s like a nutpunch.  Don&#039;t we get enough nutpunching already from the government?

Anyway, yeah, I already absolved you in the name of expedience, I get that you use shorthand.  So, please don&#039;t mind me ... Use &quot;we&quot; to express your citizenship or interest in clarity.  Or whatever.  And I&#039;ll keep insisting that you&#039;re a better writer than that.  Or whatever.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geez, Radley, you think if I thought of something, someone else might have?  It&#8217;s not just me here that&#8217;s disgusted by the ambiguous &#8220;we.&#8221;</p>
<p>Let me put it another way.  I respect what you do.  I discuss your posts with my friends.  I also have high standards for writing and reading comprehension, which I believe I have in common with your average Agitatortot at least, and probably your modal one.  Regardless of the Humpty-Dumpty world we inhabit, words do have meanings.  It is more clear to use &#8220;USG&#8221; than it is to use &#8220;we.&#8221;  And a clear message is more well-received than an unclear or insulting one.</p>
<p>The reason for this is the knowledge that the individual has NO CONTROL over the actions of the government.  When one of your readers is confronted with your word &#8220;we&#8221; in the context of responsibility for or control of a government action, it&#8217;s like a nutpunch.  Don&#8217;t we get enough nutpunching already from the government?</p>
<p>Anyway, yeah, I already absolved you in the name of expedience, I get that you use shorthand.  So, please don&#8217;t mind me &#8230; Use &#8220;we&#8221; to express your citizenship or interest in clarity.  Or whatever.  And I&#8217;ll keep insisting that you&#8217;re a better writer than that.  Or whatever.</p>
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		<title>By: Marty</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/01/19/morning-links-607/comment-page-1/#comment-2590990</link>
		<dc:creator>Marty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2012 18:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#12- I&#039;ll have to look this case up- sounds interesting.

re the puppycide- the owners said they, &#039;...now understand why this happened.&#039;
so do most of us, too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#12- I&#8217;ll have to look this case up- sounds interesting.</p>
<p>re the puppycide- the owners said they, &#8216;&#8230;now understand why this happened.&#8217;<br />
so do most of us, too.</p>
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		<title>By: EBL</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/01/19/morning-links-607/comment-page-1/#comment-2590976</link>
		<dc:creator>EBL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2012 18:03:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;a href=&quot;http://evilbloggerlady.blogspot.com/2012/01/day-lolcats-died-sopa-pipa-protest-song.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The day the LOLcats died...&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://evilbloggerlady.blogspot.com/2012/01/day-lolcats-died-sopa-pipa-protest-song.html" rel="nofollow">The day the LOLcats died&#8230;</a></p>
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		<title>By: picachu</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/01/19/morning-links-607/comment-page-1/#comment-2590971</link>
		<dc:creator>picachu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2012 18:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[DarkEFang &quot;How about automatic permanent resident status in the US? We may not be able to protect them in Iraq, but we can certainly do so if they come to the US.&quot;

Yea but I was thinking the preferred answer in Washington would be permenant occupation of Iraq.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DarkEFang &#8220;How about automatic permanent resident status in the US? We may not be able to protect them in Iraq, but we can certainly do so if they come to the US.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yea but I was thinking the preferred answer in Washington would be permenant occupation of Iraq.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/01/19/morning-links-607/comment-page-1/#comment-2590965</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2012 17:59:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Miami-based attorney Warren Zinn, part of Garcia’s four-man legal team, worked as a photojournalist with Garcia: `The fact that Mannie can stand on that street corner and take that photograph is what separates us from every other country in the world, Zinn said.&quot;

The assumption that the United States is the only country in the world in which it&#039;s legal to photograph the police is comical, and more than a little ironic given that in this case, as in so many others in the U.S., the photographer was assaulted by police and then arrested on false charges.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Miami-based attorney Warren Zinn, part of Garcia’s four-man legal team, worked as a photojournalist with Garcia: `The fact that Mannie can stand on that street corner and take that photograph is what separates us from every other country in the world, Zinn said.&#8221;</p>
<p>The assumption that the United States is the only country in the world in which it&#8217;s legal to photograph the police is comical, and more than a little ironic given that in this case, as in so many others in the U.S., the photographer was assaulted by police and then arrested on false charges.</p>
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		<title>By: Radley Balko</title>
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		<dc:creator>Radley Balko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2012 17:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;Conflating an individual with USG is laughably sophomoric and disgusting.&lt;/em&gt;

Glad I could give you a laugh. Tell you what, when you&#039;re writing about things the U.S. does as a country, you go ahead and use a clunky stand-in like &quot;USG&quot; to make sure the Internet can see your demonstration of your individualism. Or whatever.

I&#039;ll continue to use the royal &quot;we&quot; because (a) I am a U.S. citizen, and (b) I think it&#039;s goofy to make your writing less readable in order to make a political statement with pronouns.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Conflating an individual with USG is laughably sophomoric and disgusting.</em></p>
<p>Glad I could give you a laugh. Tell you what, when you&#8217;re writing about things the U.S. does as a country, you go ahead and use a clunky stand-in like &#8220;USG&#8221; to make sure the Internet can see your demonstration of your individualism. Or whatever.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll continue to use the royal &#8220;we&#8221; because (a) I am a U.S. citizen, and (b) I think it&#8217;s goofy to make your writing less readable in order to make a political statement with pronouns.</p>
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		<title>By: albatross</title>
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		<dc:creator>albatross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2012 17:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[DarkEFang:

I can see why this would be the most humane thing to do for people who helped us.  But I&#039;ve got to admit, it sets my teeth on edge to go wreck someone&#039;s country, leaving a pile of dead bodies (in the hundreds of thousands) and rubble and a tottering government, and then to invite a whole lot of people from that country to come live here.  If you wrecked my country that way, I&#039;m afraid I might work up a bit of a dislike for your country, even if 
I worked with you at some point.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DarkEFang:</p>
<p>I can see why this would be the most humane thing to do for people who helped us.  But I&#8217;ve got to admit, it sets my teeth on edge to go wreck someone&#8217;s country, leaving a pile of dead bodies (in the hundreds of thousands) and rubble and a tottering government, and then to invite a whole lot of people from that country to come live here.  If you wrecked my country that way, I&#8217;m afraid I might work up a bit of a dislike for your country, even if<br />
I worked with you at some point.</p>
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		<title>By: CyniCAl</title>
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		<dc:creator>CyniCAl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2012 17:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@#23, right in my back yard, don&#039;t I feel all warm and fuzzy...

http://news.yahoo.com/prosecutor-says-iraq-war-vet-killed-transients-thrill-230734492.html

&quot;Ocampo served in the Marines from July 2006 to July 2010 and was deployed to Iraq in 2008.&quot;

Some secondary reading:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKULTRA]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@#23, right in my back yard, don&#8217;t I feel all warm and fuzzy&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/prosecutor-says-iraq-war-vet-killed-transients-thrill-230734492.html" rel="nofollow">http://news.yahoo.com/prosecutor-says-iraq-war-vet-killed-transients-thrill-230734492.html</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Ocampo served in the Marines from July 2006 to July 2010 and was deployed to Iraq in 2008.&#8221;</p>
<p>Some secondary reading:</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKULTRA" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKULTRA</a></p>
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		<title>By: Yizmo Gizmo</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/01/19/morning-links-607/comment-page-1/#comment-2590818</link>
		<dc:creator>Yizmo Gizmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2012 17:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[•U.S. government is abandoning the Iraqis who helped troops during the war, and who now face threats to their lives.

Has the US  gotten a single thing right in this trillion dollar mess?
All that money down the toilet, we didn&#039;t even scam their friggin oil.
And those human ticking time  bombs (PTSD soldiers) are just waiting to go off back at home...here  comes another  one now... duck and cover!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>•U.S. government is abandoning the Iraqis who helped troops during the war, and who now face threats to their lives.</p>
<p>Has the US  gotten a single thing right in this trillion dollar mess?<br />
All that money down the toilet, we didn&#8217;t even scam their friggin oil.<br />
And those human ticking time  bombs (PTSD soldiers) are just waiting to go off back at home&#8230;here  comes another  one now&#8230; duck and cover!</p>
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		<title>By: Les</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/01/19/morning-links-607/comment-page-1/#comment-2590757</link>
		<dc:creator>Les</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2012 17:06:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Once a rat, always a rat.&lt;/i&gt;

This is the level of intellect and compassion one usually finds in organized crime or large, corrupt police departments.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Once a rat, always a rat.</i></p>
<p>This is the level of intellect and compassion one usually finds in organized crime or large, corrupt police departments.</p>
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		<title>By: BamBam</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/01/19/morning-links-607/comment-page-1/#comment-2590730</link>
		<dc:creator>BamBam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2012 16:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@7, this 
&quot;The West has also figured out it can&#039;t contain China, which is rising rapidly and will have more military and naval power in Southeast Asia. The only way for the West to contain China is to control the oil tap in the Middle East.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@7, this<br />
&#8220;The West has also figured out it can&#8217;t contain China, which is rising rapidly and will have more military and naval power in Southeast Asia. The only way for the West to contain China is to control the oil tap in the Middle East.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: CyniCAl</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/01/19/morning-links-607/comment-page-1/#comment-2590723</link>
		<dc:creator>CyniCAl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2012 16:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@#18, excellent point Jim.  It is always a good thing to highlight use of the &quot;ambiguous we.&quot;

Correctly written, it should read: &quot;Really? I didn’t agree with the United States&#039; (or USG&#039;s, or US Corp&#039;s) invasion of Iraq, but I can see how some Iraqis with pure motives might have wanted to help USG out. Depending on when they helped out, they were at the time either living under a murderous, authoritarian dictator, or “ratting out” the &quot;al-Qaeda&quot; terrorists who were blowing up their fellow citizens.   USG&#039;s treatment of them has been shameful. If they were promised visas, USG should give them visas.&quot;

That&#039;s a much more honest expression of those concepts, which still require further refining to more accurately reflect reality.

Again, I know Radley must use a certain shorthand to save the effort of restating positions ad infinitum, but I agree the line must be drawn at the &quot;ambiguous we.&quot;  Conflating an individual with USG is laughably sophomoric and disgusting.  And &quot;USG&quot; is one more letter than &quot;we,&quot; so it&#039;s not really a question of extra effort, is it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@#18, excellent point Jim.  It is always a good thing to highlight use of the &#8220;ambiguous we.&#8221;</p>
<p>Correctly written, it should read: &#8220;Really? I didn’t agree with the United States&#8217; (or USG&#8217;s, or US Corp&#8217;s) invasion of Iraq, but I can see how some Iraqis with pure motives might have wanted to help USG out. Depending on when they helped out, they were at the time either living under a murderous, authoritarian dictator, or “ratting out” the &#8220;al-Qaeda&#8221; terrorists who were blowing up their fellow citizens.   USG&#8217;s treatment of them has been shameful. If they were promised visas, USG should give them visas.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a much more honest expression of those concepts, which still require further refining to more accurately reflect reality.</p>
<p>Again, I know Radley must use a certain shorthand to save the effort of restating positions ad infinitum, but I agree the line must be drawn at the &#8220;ambiguous we.&#8221;  Conflating an individual with USG is laughably sophomoric and disgusting.  And &#8220;USG&#8221; is one more letter than &#8220;we,&#8221; so it&#8217;s not really a question of extra effort, is it?</p>
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