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Tuesday, January 17th, 2012
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  1. #1 |  Mike T | 

    Reading the comments on the article about the deer makes me think that the best way to make more Americans liberty conscious is for libertarians to enthusiastically support the wildest displays of police power for the most minimal crimes. Got a pitbull where it’s illegal? Spray it with at least 30 rounds of .223, if not .308 in front of as many kids as possible. Just a starting point.

    Heck, we should issue XM25s to the police for handling dogs. Let the police beta test them for the military on dogs.

    Maybe what this country needs is to truly descend into madness before it can ascend into reason.

  2. #2 |  Eric Hanneken | 

    Oakland Police committed bambicide in 2010, for the children:

    Officials said the deer was gunned down because “it was acting disoriented in an urban environment.” Holly Joshie from the Oakland Police Department also said, “There were many children and area residents and the officers did make a decision that the deer was a public safety issue.”

  3. #3 |  Brent | 

    “New Miss America will take up the cause of children of the incarcerated.”

    Maybe she’ll inspire people not to commit mail fraud too, which is what her dad was convicted of doing. I’m sure it was traumatic for her, but only her dad is responsible for it.

  4. #4 |  Juice | 

    The deer story is just ridiculous. Here in this neighborhood, deer run rampant. They’re all over the place. Maybe they know it’s safe because no one is allowed to discharge a firearm in a residential neighborhood (a law that I can live with). The deer just roam around. Sometimes they cross the street or graze near the street or in people’s back yards. No one thinks it’s a big deal. They are no threat to anyone. I can’t imagine a cop shooting one right in the middle of the neighborhood. It wouldn’t happen here. Last night I was putting out some trash and I saw a couple of foxes walking down the sidewalk and then cross the street and go behind some houses. If anyone shot them for no reason it would be a damned shame.

  5. #5 |  Fred Mangels | 

    Regarding the police attack on the 66 year old man:

    This record of the arrest held water in part because Middendorf turned off his dash cam before getting out of his cruiser. But the Melbourne Police Department was since able to retrieve the video from the dash cam hard drive.

    Not sure I understand that part. If the dash cam was turned off, how could the video ever get on the hard drive?

  6. #6 |  Mattocracy | 

    The idea that baby deer are a danger to society is laughable. The idea that discharging firearms in residential neighborhood to rid the world of a non threat is ciminally insane.

  7. #7 |  M | 

    I have no problem with the deer thing. Well other than protecting the deer population which I think should be decimated. But making sure they’re healthy is ok if there’s a likelihood people will eat them. As long as the firearm was discharged after making sure no people would be hurt by a ricochet, it’s aok.

  8. #8 |  Badly Written Laws Badly Applied « Threads from Henry's Web | 

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  9. #9 |  CSD | 

    Brent:

    “I’m sure it was traumatic for her, but only her dad is responsible for it.”

    That is a good point, it wasn’t her fault. It is seldom or never a child faults when a parent is incarcerated so why should society penalize the child? It appears you are smearing her for something her father did with your smart ass comment.

  10. #10 |  Jesse | 

    #3 Brent:

    Yes, incarcerate, at taxpayer expense, someone who non-violently defrauded other people, helping to constrain his ability to pay restitution to his victims. Compound a loss with further expense to society.

    Making taxpayers pay for incarceration of these people just makes this kind of crime a double swindle.

  11. #11 |  OneAngryDwarf | 

    Re: TSA theft–the $40K was apparently part of a ~170K stash…in CHECKED baggage.
    While placing anything of value over $500 in one’s checked luggage is, to say the least, not the smartest idea, it still doesn’t excuse this particular abuse by the blueshirts.
    Also–this gets prosecuted, yet the DEA can “seize” similar amounts of money from pro poker players returning from Vegas with zero outrage whatsoever.

  12. #12 |  Brutusettu | 

    #5 | Fred Mangels

    Maybe it’s a live feed he turned off?

  13. #13 |  Cyto | 

    I’m not sure I entirely buy the DNR explanation about domesticated deer and disease. Due to lack of predators there is a serious overpopulation of deer in many areas of the country, including Minnesota. This results in smaller, sicker deer due to malnourishment. The prion based Chronic Wasting Disease is endemic to the south and to the east and west of the Twin Cities. It is entirely likely that a domestic deer herd is in more danger from a wild deer than the reverse – it seems this is hotly contested anyway. A domestic deer herd is likely to be better nourished, inoculated and medically monitored and culled for prion-infected animals.

    In any case, I agree with M that preventing CWD infected animals from being consumed is important. My in-laws all hunt (in Wisconsin and Minnesota) and they are always trying to pawn off deer sausage and deer stew. I avoid it not just for the gamey taste, but also for the brain-eating disease possibilities… cooking doesn’t do anything to the CWD prion. yikes!

  14. #14 |  Yizmo Gizmo | 

    Trying to keep score here…who’s comitted more crimes, the TSA
    “officers” or the passengers whom they endlessly poke, prod,
    and annoy?

  15. #15 |  Chuchundra | 

    I don’t know that there’s any reported incidence of prion diseases (CJD/BSE) in wild deer. These types of pathologies are more likely in domesticated animals because domesticated animals may be fed feed that contains animal parts from the same species. I mean, that’s illegal now, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen.

    Wild deer aren’t likely to go cannibal, which is how these prion diseases spread.

    Either way, as long as you don’t eat any brain or nervous system parts, you’re completely safe.

  16. #16 |  ClubMedSux | 

    As someone who was born and raised in Chicago, I’m no expert on wild game, so to a rube like me the DNR explanation seems plausible. However, I think that’s beside the point. Even if the DNR’s concerns are completely valid, I have a huge problem with how they handled it. Sounds like it would’ve taken the cops all of five minutes to ask around and see who owned the deer, and they could’ve told him to contact the DNR. But as usual, we see a “shoot first; ask questions later” mentality (in this case, literally) from a government bureaucracy.

  17. #17 |  DarkEFang | 

    #5 Fred Mangels –

    “Not sure I understand that part. If the dash cam was turned off, how could the video ever get on the hard drive?”

    I had the same question when I read that.

  18. #18 |  Dante | 

    Re: Police attack 66 year old man with dementia

    More and more, it appears the police are targeting the absolute least threatening people in our world – unarmed people, very young children, very old people, dogs the size of a shoe, etc.

    More and more, it appears this is by design.

    Who would design a program that targets children, old people and family pets for beat-downs and executions?

    Who would do such a terrible, violent, anti-social thing?

    Who?

    Protect & Serve (Themselves!)

  19. #19 |  Eric Oden | 

    Angry Dwarf.. TSA has also seized cash or detained people who had cash on their person (although not authorized). So… you can’t check cash in your bags, you can’t carry it on, and you can’t travel with it by car. Good thing it’s worth less and less all the time.

  20. #20 |  syskill | 

    TSA agents who stole $40,000 from passengers get 5 months in jail.

    That seems fair. They only stole $40,000. It’s not as though they stole $100 or anything.

  21. #21 |  Dante | 

    #1 Mike T:

    Be Oh So Careful what you wish for, because you just might get it.

    On the other hand, I’m not convinced your wish hasn’t come true already.

  22. #22 |  Marty | 

    that cop was in full panic mode when he attacked the old man- his punches were erratic and wild… this idiot must walk around scared shitless all the time. I have no doubt, either he’ll get killed and get a hero’s funeral or he’ll over-react and kill someone for some bullshit.

  23. #23 |  Chris in AL | 

    Marty “I have no doubt, either he’ll get killed and get a hero’s funeral or he’ll over-react and kill someone for some bullshit.”

    And be given a hero’s commendation.

  24. #24 |  Chris in AL | 

    The marine biologist story is ridiculous. But what always strikes me in stories like that is why did the grand jury allow it to go forward?

    Just more support for the theory that people get the government they deserve.

  25. #25 |  Herb | 

    Got a headline for you, RB…

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/01/sexual-favors-chicken-mcnuggets.html

  26. #26 |  Cappy | 

    Ref. Deer story

    I reside in the northwoods of Wisconsin and there are a few people with “pet” deer. During deer season these people affix orange collars or markings around the deer and we hunters recognize these deer for what they are. Tame and are off-limits in regards to hunting.

  27. #27 |  jb | 

    # 5 “Not sure I understand that part. If the dash cam was turned off, how could the video ever get on the hard drive?”

    Alternative explanation is that the dash cam was on. After the attack the cop realizes he did bad and he destroys evidence by erasing the video. Except, video is on a hard drive; he doesn’t actually erase the video from the hard drive, he only removes the system’s pointer to the area of the drive containing the video. The cop then writes fraudulent police report, thinking he has effectively covered his ass. Later the video is located on the hard drive. It appears the cop has destroyed evidence and written a false report.

  28. #28 |  jb | 

    Attempted to destroy…ha ha!

  29. #29 |  Boyd Durkin | 

    Trying to keep score here…who’s comitted more crimes, the TSA
    “officers” or the passengers whom they endlessly poke, prod,
    and annoy?

    Agents of the state really can’t commit crimes, so there’s your answer.

  30. #30 |  Jim | 

    #18 Dante:

    Sounds like SOP for US foreign policy/military interventions, not just domestic policing. You know, The Leeden doctrine, espoused by that chickenhawk neocon POS:

    “Every ten years or so, the United States needs to pick up some small crappy little country and throw it against the wall, just to show the world we mean business.”

    Cowardly bullies all.

  31. #31 |  Steamed McQueen | 

    Speaking of puppycide, look at how Harrisburg PA is controlling their feral dog problem: http://www.salon.com/topic/animals/

    re TSA: 5 months? Damn, it’s nice to be one of Uncle Sam’s children.

  32. #32 |  EBL | 

    I am not sure you noted this yes, but here is another Iranian atrocity just in case you did not. Death penalty for Blogging.

  33. #33 |  EBL | 

    I linked you to this Radley.

  34. #34 |  BamBam | 

    @24, I wonder if a grand jury was presented the info. Realize that you are dealing with evil that will lie and destroy lives “just cuz”. What’s to stop them from making up stories of presenting data to a grand jury, and the grand jury decided to move forward? The proceedings (and thus names of grand jury people) are secret, so how can anyone know? It’s just like every manner of government these days — done in secret, TRUST US.

  35. #35 |  Chris Mallory | 

    Deer can be dangerous. Southern Illinois University had a rash of deer attacking students a few years ago. Does as well as bucks were involved in the attacks.

  36. #36 |  Mattocracy | 

    Deer can be dangerous. Southern Illinois University had a rash of deer attacking students a few years ago. Does as well as bucks were involved in the attacks.

    Which is why I am proposing H.B.666 to ban deer from my state. I mean, if they can make a plant illegal…

  37. #37 |  JOR | 

    #18

    The whole point of violence is to aim it at the relatively weak (the weaker the better). This is how predation works, it’s how social dominance works, it’s how war works. It gets lost in all of the romantic macho bullshit that’s used to hype and glamorize elites (and wannabe elites), but all effective violence is treacherous and essentially cowardly.

  38. #38 |  M | 

    Another unclear shaken baby case:
    https://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/15/nyregion/what-happened-to-baby-annie.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss

  39. #39 |  Boyd Durkin | 

    In a world where baby deer are too dangerous to allow to live, what hope do you or your kids have? Those fuckers will kill you all to gain a theoretical ounce of safety or convenience.

  40. #40 |  Dwight Brown | 

    Cyto:

    “I avoid it not just for the gamey taste, but also for the brain-eating disease possibilities… cooking doesn’t do anything to the CWD prion. yikes!”

    Aren’t the CJD prions generally carried in the brain and spinal cord? Aren’t those parts unlikely to find their way into deer sausage and stew made with deer meat?

  41. #41 |  JSL | 

    #24

    Having served on a county grand jury a few years ago, the old line that ” you could get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich” is true. Yes, most people are idiots but its also how the game is set up and intimidation factor by your elite lawyer betters.

    You only hear what the state wants you to hear so you have to pay attention and read between the lines most of the time. Ask a question the DA doesn’t like, witness doesnt have to answer. We had a DV case that was so implausable that no one bought her story, even the ADA presenting it afterwards hemmed and hawed about it. Another case had a “inciting a riot” charge tacked on for a fist fight. The ADA for that case wasn’t happy we took away her plea bargain chip.

  42. #42 |  croaker | 

    Five months might be enough. Over/under on when either one gets the shiv? Somehow I doubt their fellow inmates will care about the fine distinction between screening clerk and cop.

    Speaking of cops, if they can’t find a chihuahua to shoot, a fawn will do. Not legal to hunt, but hey, they’ve got that tin-plated patent of nobility on their chest so it’s all good.

    @25 How is this different from any date I’ve ever been on? Hey, HC, care to chime in?

    @34 This is your standard ham sandwich, as presented by fed persecutors.

  43. #43 |  C. S. P. Schofield | 

    Jim,

    Playing devil’s advocate; given the oversupply of psychotic heads of state available every year since the close of WWII (to pick an arbitrary starting point), isn’t there a rational argument for the SOP you describe?

  44. #44 |  croaker | 

    @41 At least you didn’t have prosecutors yell and scream at you when you no-billed an obviously flawed case. Happened to me. Didn’t know my purpose was to be a yes-man to the DA’s office and that I was supposed to bend over and stamp anything that entered the room.

  45. #45 |  Chris Mallory | 

    #39, When you keep the “baby” deer around until they lose their fear of humans and they go into rut and attack you, then yes they are pretty damn dangerous.

    These are large wild animals. Bambi was a movie (or a stripper).

  46. #46 |  kahr40 | 

    In my state the Grand Jury only hears the testimony the prosecutor wants them to hear. An indictment is almost always a shoe in. I suspect it is the same in most states and at the Federal level.

  47. #47 |  JOR | 

    #43, Maybe, in the same way that there’s a “rational” argument for the 9/11 attacks.

  48. #48 |  Goober | 

    @ #13 – but all effective violence is treacherous and essentially cowardly.

    You couldn’t be more wrong. When that young mother stood her ground as two burly men kicked down her door in the dark of night, she managed to protect her baby and herself through the application of effective violence.

    I managed to keep myself and my friend from being robbed or even killed once because I applied a massive amount of effective violence to the situation and bought us a way out.

    It happens all over the nation, hundreds of times a day – the effective use of violence in self-defense situations. Not cowardly. Not trecherous. just righteous.

  49. #49 |  Goober | 

    When you keep the “baby” deer around until they lose their fear of humans and they go into rut and attack you, then yes they are pretty damn dangerous.

    Oh, for crimney’s sake. Where to start? They were female deer, which don’t rut, for one. They were currently baby deer and hadn’t attacked anyone, for two. I suppose you think we are all better off just killing puppies once they become dogs because there is a chance that they might attack someone someday, without waiting for them to actually show some aggression? How do you even get out of bed in the morning with all of these untamed, feral, rabid animals running around waiting to attack you?

  50. #50 |  Medicine Man | 

    C’mon Goober. Nature is unpredictable and doesn’t comply with orders. Better to apply live ammo lest someone get a hangnail or bruised toe.

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