Lunch Links

Monday, January 16th, 2012
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  1. #1 |  Bob | 

    “Anything dealing with that kind of work, anything dealing with guns and taking down bad guys, I’m there. I love it.”

    See the brilliance in this? They don’t even have to convince people to fight the “Drug War”. The “War on Terror” has already created enough gung-ho soldiers coming back from the Middle East to supply the para-military Police departments.

    The people running this show know exactly what they are doing. Start wars, Funnel funds to para-military Police training and equipment, push the “War on Drugs” thus providing a place for all the soldiers coming back from war to go to.

    They’re doing this for a reason, And I don’t think drugs has anything to do with it. The “drugs” aspect is just a convenient tool to manipulate the Right Wing and religious leaning people. As a bonus, increasing the power of the Police and Prison Unions is a great tool to manipulate the Left Wing leaning people. It’s all win win for the people that are really in charge.

    I’m still working on my Tin Hat award!

  2. #2 |  Highway | 

    So basically that guy is saying “People in horrendous pain and with no hope of recovery from a terminal illness, they should buck it up and endure it because then other people get to love them. Also, it’s noble and stuff. Only losers take the ‘easy way out’.”

    Screw that guy.

  3. #3 |  Dave Krueger | 

    “Anything dealing with that kind of work, anything dealing with guns and taking down bad guys, I’m there. I love it.”

    I came to the conclusion long ago that the enthusiasm among cops for the drug war has little to do with making the community safer and everything to do with the thrill neanderthal cops get from terrorizing people. It’s just another symptom of testosterone retardation.

  4. #4 |  Eric | 

    That assisted suicide writeup really struck me too. I had a debate with my mother-in-law recently about this issue, using as an illustration the pain that we watched her own mother go through when she died. Her mother was a wonderful and happy woman, and an infection at the hospital slowly ate her away in her final weeks. The doctors acknowledged there was nothing left to do for her, and she was released to home hospice. She could not eat, was pumped up with morphine, was semi-conscious at best, and was essentially just waiting to die, with family members keeping watch and a home nurse turning knobs and changing bedsheets over a week of misery. It was horrible.

    My strongly held belief was that once she was turned over to hospice the morphine could just as easily have been substituted for some solution that would provide a painless and reliable death, with some greater certainty and dignity than what did occur. Shockingly (to me anyway), my mother-in-law was adamantly against that idea and said that she would never have agreed to it even if it were an option. She echoed that writer, saying that enduring suffering on Earth was a way of reflecting/honoring/understanding Jesus’s sacrifice for us and was somewhat of a moral obligation that we have. I can’t fault her for having that feeling – she is a smart woman and it was a real and deep belief – but it really bums me out to think that it is a widespread thought.

  5. #5 |  Dave Krueger | 

    Terminally ill? Don’t even think about treating that pain with high doses of narcotics. And don’t even think about ending it all. When your fellow citizens want you to suffer for your own good, there will be no cheating. Sure it hurts, but denying you the options of drugs and suicide makes a lot of your fellow citizens feel better about themselves and you shouldn’t selfishly put your own well-being ahead of theirs.

  6. #6 |  SJE | 

    The assisted suicide story:
    The author has a point that the outcome of a commission is perhaps not to be trusted if all the members are previously biased. But HIS argument completely fails to see the perspective of suicide proponents, including patients.

    The comments put it best: when he argues that there is no right to die, a commentor notes that there is no right to continuous and useless medical intervention, especially against the will of the patient.

    It’s basically a liberty argument: one that most people in power just don’t get. Interestingly, doctors with terminal illnesses generally forgo heroic intervention, and just pass gently into that good night.

  7. #7 |  Mario | 

    If I could get a genie to grant me one wish, but only a modest one, there are days when I would wish that no one who uses the phrase “bad guys” would be allowed to work in law enforcement, or in any capacity in government. Call me a snob, but it just smacks of a puerile — or perhaps imbecile — mentality.

    /end rant

  8. #8 |  Aresen | 

    Sergeant Lazaro Perez, let me tell you about Jose Guerena.

  9. #9 |  C. S. P. Schofield | 

    Assisted suicide is a political, ethical, and social mess that isn’t going to get any prettier, no matter how matters go. The thing that struck me hardest about the Terri Schaivo mess a few years back (and which was obscured by the poat mortem testing, in my opinion) is that the right to refuse medical support has moved from “if you have a carefully written living will that stands up to high legal standards” to “if somebody with a financial interest in the case is willing to say in court that you once said something in passing”. I suggest that anybody who isn’t frightened by that shift hasn’t given it much thought.

    I’m not for keeping people tied to broken bodies, in pain. I’m also against turning “quality of Life” decisions over to doctors or, worse, government functionaries. I don’t think there IS a solution that will prevent all tragedies. Until and unless somebody proves me wrong on that (please?) I am cautiously for legalizing suicide, while carefully leaving as many social stigmas against it intac as possible, and for extending the principle of “living wills” to assisted suicide in specifically and narrowly defined circumstances. And I expect that THAT will be a mess.

  10. #10 |  AlgerHiss | 

    I’m now at the point of thinking military experience should be an automatic disqualifier for having anything to do with civilian peace keeping.

    You were in the military? Then go be a welder, an accountant, a mechanical engineer….Hell, go do the dishes.

    But no way… no freak’n way you’re going to be given powers of arrest over other human beings.

  11. #11 |  AlecN | 

    @ #1 Interesting theory, Bob. I agree that the Drug War is mainly a tool to keep most of the police force employed. I don’t know about the centralized conspiracy, though – I would guess most of the reasoning behind the warmongering would be in support of the military-industrial complex rather than with the idea of keeping the police force strong.

    I worry about the results of this overall police attitude of “good guys/ bad guys” should the drug war end. It would be great for the Drug War to just go away, but I don’t think the cops, or the abuse of justice, would see anything more than marginal improvement.

    Imagine if pot were eventually legalized, and other drugs decriminalized (as in Portugal). What would the Post-Drug War police State look like? Without the drug war I would wager we could cut police forces significantly and still have net benefits in solving actual crimes. However, I imagine the police unions would still manage to keep funding and personnel levels high (justifying this with some fictitious crime wave they claim would result from the now legal drug-use). So then drug use would be legal, but there would still be a bunch of bored cops looking for ways to get their rocks off. Who knows what mundane crimes they would send the SWAT teams after. You could imagine them breaking down your door because you forgot to renew your car registration, or were overdue on a parking ticket. The “bad guys” would just become those who violate whatever trivial law they choose to crack down on. And many victims of these crackdowns would be entirely clueless that they had committed any crime in the first place.

  12. #12 |  Dave Krueger | 

    When I think of assisted suicide, I don’t picture someone who is in a coma or a vegetative state. I usually think of someone who is awake and consciously making the decision which, if I remember correctly, were the kind of cases that Kavorkian was involved with. Shivo was incapable of actively and contemporaneously participating in the decision, so they were not “assisting” her.

  13. #13 |  Aresen | 

    When I think of assisted suicide, I don’t picture someone who is in a coma or a vegetative state.

    When you consider the US Congress, wouldn’t assisted suicide be more ethical all around, even if they are in a ‘vegetative state’?

  14. #14 |  Homeboy | 

    Schiavo’s was not an assisted suicide case. The compelling issue was forced medical intervention – there’s a big difference. As an aside, I found the imposing, presumptuous, arrogant self-appointment and disingenuousness of the authoritarian pig who wrote that article literally sickening.

  15. #15 |  Juice | 

    About drugging yourself to death…

    From what I understand there is a chemical cascade in the brain as you start to die that induces what many see as an out of body experience, a white light, beckoning ancestors, etc. If I die, which I don’t want to do, then I want to experience that. I wonder if overdoses of tranquilizers or barbiturates would prevent that from happening.

    I also understand you get that sort of effect from smoking DMT, so maybe I’ll just find some DMT to smoke and be done with it.

  16. #16 |  c andrew | 

    Dave wrote:

    Sure it hurts, but denying you the options of drugs and suicide makes a lot of your fellow citizens feel better about themselves and you shouldn’t selfishly put your own well-being ahead of theirs.

    Looks like the schlub who wrote that article is channeling Cardinal O’Connor from the 1990′s when he spoke of “the redemptive value in human suffering.”

    Speaking of wishes and genies, I too have a modest wish. That people like O’Connor and Tanya Treadway and all that repulsive ilk get a surfeit of human suffering served to them in their own bodies. And then the State would be justified in enforcing on these brutal power-lusters the same extended torture that they advocated for everybody else. Now that would be justice.

  17. #17 |  johnl | 

    Juice those experiences are hardly universal. I blacked out a couple of dozen times with whooping cough and saw nothing but the ground approaching my head, then lights out. If I hadn’t started breathing again, then then that would have been the last thing I saw.

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