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	<description>It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do.</description>
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		<title>By: Burgers Allday</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/01/05/afternoon-criminal-justice-roundup/comment-page-1/#comment-2511383</link>
		<dc:creator>Burgers Allday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2012 10:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Officer Francom video here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44jaZIz6vaY 

I believe that Offier Francom is officer who was walking immediately behind the officer holding his gun aloft.  Thank you to the Salt Lake City Tribune for procuring the video.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Officer Francom video here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44jaZIz6vaY " rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44jaZIz6vaY </a></p>
<p>I believe that Offier Francom is officer who was walking immediately behind the officer holding his gun aloft.  Thank you to the Salt Lake City Tribune for procuring the video.</p>
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		<title>By: Burgers Allday</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/01/05/afternoon-criminal-justice-roundup/comment-page-1/#comment-2511305</link>
		<dc:creator>Burgers Allday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2012 10:28:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Further to previous:

the late Officer Francom did not shoot Todd Blair, although he was &quot;2d in the door&quot; at that deadly raid.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Further to previous:</p>
<p>the late Officer Francom did not shoot Todd Blair, although he was &#8220;2d in the door&#8221; at that deadly raid.</p>
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		<title>By: Burgers Allday</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/01/05/afternoon-criminal-justice-roundup/comment-page-1/#comment-2511216</link>
		<dc:creator>Burgers Allday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2012 10:07:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@21:  not just same department, but at least one of the same policemen.  The dead officcer was &quot;2d in the door&quot; at the Blair raid and may even be the one who shot Blair.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@21:  not just same department, but at least one of the same policemen.  The dead officcer was &#8220;2d in the door&#8221; at the Blair raid and may even be the one who shot Blair.</p>
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		<title>By: Whim</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/01/05/afternoon-criminal-justice-roundup/comment-page-1/#comment-2509715</link>
		<dc:creator>Whim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2012 04:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Regarding the Odgen police SWAT raid on a man&#039;s residence:

Since he worked the Graveyard shift at Wal-Mart, I would presume at 9:00 p.m. he was sound asleep when the police arrived to kick down his door in what was probably another No-Knock raid where they later claim it was Knock-and-Announce since they got their lame asses shot off this time.

And, these appear to be the same clown-hats that killed the Five Iron wielding doper that was startled out of a sound sleep, and when he confronted the source of the home invasion, was immediately shot in the head only three seconds after the police identified themselves.  

Bad Karma, of what goes around comes around.....  

I also notice that the police department boot-lickers in Utah are falling all over themselves to fall down on their knees and assume their usual boot-licking position.

Of course, the civilian will be charged with capital murder for a) defending himself from a home invasion, and b) not dying.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the Odgen police SWAT raid on a man&#8217;s residence:</p>
<p>Since he worked the Graveyard shift at Wal-Mart, I would presume at 9:00 p.m. he was sound asleep when the police arrived to kick down his door in what was probably another No-Knock raid where they later claim it was Knock-and-Announce since they got their lame asses shot off this time.</p>
<p>And, these appear to be the same clown-hats that killed the Five Iron wielding doper that was startled out of a sound sleep, and when he confronted the source of the home invasion, was immediately shot in the head only three seconds after the police identified themselves.  </p>
<p>Bad Karma, of what goes around comes around&#8230;..  </p>
<p>I also notice that the police department boot-lickers in Utah are falling all over themselves to fall down on their knees and assume their usual boot-licking position.</p>
<p>Of course, the civilian will be charged with capital murder for a) defending himself from a home invasion, and b) not dying.</p>
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		<title>By: JOR</title>
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		<dc:creator>JOR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2012 04:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Heh, apparently Jefferson&#039;s knowledge of history was almost as lousy as Gingrich&#039;s.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh, apparently Jefferson&#8217;s knowledge of history was almost as lousy as Gingrich&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Luke</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/01/05/afternoon-criminal-justice-roundup/comment-page-1/#comment-2509326</link>
		<dc:creator>Luke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2012 03:31:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The reason I pulled you over today, ma&#039;am, is that you appear to be Driving Without My Number...&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The reason I pulled you over today, ma&#8217;am, is that you appear to be Driving Without My Number&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Douglas Willinger</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/01/05/afternoon-criminal-justice-roundup/comment-page-1/#comment-2509114</link>
		<dc:creator>Douglas Willinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2012 02:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gingrich needs to read Jefferson:

http://freedomofmedicineanddiet.blogspot.com/2007/07/freedom-of-medicine-and-diet.html

Was the government to prescribe to us our medicine and diet, our bodies would be in such keeping as our souls are now. Thus in France the emetic was once forbidden as a medicine, and the potatoe as an article of food. Government is just as infallible too when it fixes systems in physics. Galileo was sent to the inquisition for affirming that the earth was a sphere: the government had declared it to be as flat as a trencher, and Galileo was obliged to abjure his error. This error however at length prevailed, the earth became a globe, and Descartes declared it was whirled round its axis by a vortex. The government in which he lived was wise enough to see that this was no question of civil jurisdiction, or we should all have been involved by authority in vortices. In fact, the vortices have been exploded, and the Newtonian principle of gravitation is now more firmly established, on the basis of reason, than it would be were the government to step in, and to make it an article of necessary faith. Reason and experiment have been indulged, and error has fled before them. It is error alone which needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself.- Thomas Jefferson]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gingrich needs to read Jefferson:</p>
<p><a href="http://freedomofmedicineanddiet.blogspot.com/2007/07/freedom-of-medicine-and-diet.html" rel="nofollow">http://freedomofmedicineanddiet.blogspot.com/2007/07/freedom-of-medicine-and-diet.html</a></p>
<p>Was the government to prescribe to us our medicine and diet, our bodies would be in such keeping as our souls are now. Thus in France the emetic was once forbidden as a medicine, and the potatoe as an article of food. Government is just as infallible too when it fixes systems in physics. Galileo was sent to the inquisition for affirming that the earth was a sphere: the government had declared it to be as flat as a trencher, and Galileo was obliged to abjure his error. This error however at length prevailed, the earth became a globe, and Descartes declared it was whirled round its axis by a vortex. The government in which he lived was wise enough to see that this was no question of civil jurisdiction, or we should all have been involved by authority in vortices. In fact, the vortices have been exploded, and the Newtonian principle of gravitation is now more firmly established, on the basis of reason, than it would be were the government to step in, and to make it an article of necessary faith. Reason and experiment have been indulged, and error has fled before them. It is error alone which needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself.- Thomas Jefferson</p>
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		<title>By: b</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/01/05/afternoon-criminal-justice-roundup/comment-page-1/#comment-2508301</link>
		<dc:creator>b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2012 23:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;i can&#039;t rescind the ticket now evangelina, but if our date has a happy ending, you have one free traffic violation in the bank.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;i can&#8217;t rescind the ticket now evangelina, but if our date has a happy ending, you have one free traffic violation in the bank.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: picachu</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/01/05/afternoon-criminal-justice-roundup/comment-page-1/#comment-2508157</link>
		<dc:creator>picachu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2012 23:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you David! I don&#039;t know much about it myself but I have a freind that has been out of law school and practicing in Houston for just about a year and I sent him that link. I noticed in the story they used not having an ID as their excuse and can tell you that in Houston if you don&#039;t have an ID on you they take you to jail.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you David! I don&#8217;t know much about it myself but I have a freind that has been out of law school and practicing in Houston for just about a year and I sent him that link. I noticed in the story they used not having an ID as their excuse and can tell you that in Houston if you don&#8217;t have an ID on you they take you to jail.</p>
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		<title>By: Maggie McNeill</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/01/05/afternoon-criminal-justice-roundup/comment-page-1/#comment-2508112</link>
		<dc:creator>Maggie McNeill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2012 23:17:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#9:  I&#039;ve been called &quot;hard as nails&quot; on many occasions, and I can tell you that if a cop started stalking me like that it would make me extremely nervous.  Even in my situation, the cop could&#039;ve easily copied my info from the driver&#039;s license and showed up later.

#11:  He&#039;d never have been arrested even if the escort had the nerve to approach the cops with it, which she would not have because every hooker living under a criminalization or legal-but-persecuted (like Canada) regime knows that the cops can basically do whatever they want to us with total impunity because they&#039;re considered &quot;credible witnesses&quot; while we are classed as &quot;criminals&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#9:  I&#8217;ve been called &#8220;hard as nails&#8221; on many occasions, and I can tell you that if a cop started stalking me like that it would make me extremely nervous.  Even in my situation, the cop could&#8217;ve easily copied my info from the driver&#8217;s license and showed up later.</p>
<p>#11:  He&#8217;d never have been arrested even if the escort had the nerve to approach the cops with it, which she would not have because every hooker living under a criminalization or legal-but-persecuted (like Canada) regime knows that the cops can basically do whatever they want to us with total impunity because they&#8217;re considered &#8220;credible witnesses&#8221; while we are classed as &#8220;criminals&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Shane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2012 23:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ogden PD is that same one that last year shot and killed man wielding golf club during similar SWAT raid.  In the video of that killing linked below, notice that the cops announce, crash through the door and kill Tony Blair in the span of five seconds.  At :23 into the video you hear the first announcement; Blair is shot by :28, probably dead by :29.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmeUrlcssEg]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ogden PD is that same one that last year shot and killed man wielding golf club during similar SWAT raid.  In the video of that killing linked below, notice that the cops announce, crash through the door and kill Tony Blair in the span of five seconds.  At :23 into the video you hear the first announcement; Blair is shot by :28, probably dead by :29.  <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmeUrlcssEg" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmeUrlcssEg</a></p>
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		<title>By: SamK</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/01/05/afternoon-criminal-justice-roundup/comment-page-1/#comment-2508007</link>
		<dc:creator>SamK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2012 22:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Matthew Davis Stewart earned his marksmanship badges that night.  I&#039;m saddened he was injured.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matthew Davis Stewart earned his marksmanship badges that night.  I&#8217;m saddened he was injured.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/01/05/afternoon-criminal-justice-roundup/comment-page-1/#comment-2508005</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2012 22:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Depends on what you mean by &quot;could.&quot; Anybody admitted to the Texas bar association would be allowed to appear in court as his representative, but somebody with practical experience acting as a plaintiff&#039;s attorney in civil cases (or more specifically, civil cases against the government) would be more likely to do a good job at it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Depends on what you mean by &#8220;could.&#8221; Anybody admitted to the Texas bar association would be allowed to appear in court as his representative, but somebody with practical experience acting as a plaintiff&#8217;s attorney in civil cases (or more specifically, civil cases against the government) would be more likely to do a good job at it.</p>
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		<title>By: Shane</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/01/05/afternoon-criminal-justice-roundup/comment-page-1/#comment-2507983</link>
		<dc:creator>Shane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2012 22:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Father of suspected shooter in drug raid shootout reports that son, a National Guard veteran, was depressed and self-medicating with marijuana.  He worked the graveyard shift at Wal-Mart and was likely asleep when SWAT busted in at 9 p.m.  Dad says son grew his own marijuana so as not to get involved in the illicit drug trade.  This update from here, http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/53237543-78/officers-police-ogden-stewart.html.csp and here, http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&amp;sid=18748705&amp;title=ogden-police-fallen-officer-was-family]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Father of suspected shooter in drug raid shootout reports that son, a National Guard veteran, was depressed and self-medicating with marijuana.  He worked the graveyard shift at Wal-Mart and was likely asleep when SWAT busted in at 9 p.m.  Dad says son grew his own marijuana so as not to get involved in the illicit drug trade.  This update from here, <a href="http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/53237543-78/officers-police-ogden-stewart.html.csp" rel="nofollow">http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/53237543-78/officers-police-ogden-stewart.html.csp</a> and here, <a href="http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&#038;sid=18748705&#038;title=ogden-police-fallen-officer-was-family" rel="nofollow">http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&#038;sid=18748705&#038;title=ogden-police-fallen-officer-was-family</a></p>
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		<title>By: el coronado</title>
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		<dc:creator>el coronado</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2012 22:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[in re the dead Utah cop - 

I&#039;d say #13 hit it dead-on. That story stinks to high heaven. Also, whattaya wanna bet they find kiddie porn on the shooters computer? That seems to happen, like, a LOT.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in re the dead Utah cop &#8211; </p>
<p>I&#8217;d say #13 hit it dead-on. That story stinks to high heaven. Also, whattaya wanna bet they find kiddie porn on the shooters computer? That seems to happen, like, a LOT.</p>
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		<title>By: picachu</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/01/05/afternoon-criminal-justice-roundup/comment-page-1/#comment-2507876</link>
		<dc:creator>picachu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2012 22:33:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Houston man arrested, jailed for 36 hours for photographing an arrest is looking for representation for a lawsuit.&quot;

Serious question for anyone who might know-would the lawyer have to have some kind of specialist experience in some area of hte law or could anybody out of law school do it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Houston man arrested, jailed for 36 hours for photographing an arrest is looking for representation for a lawsuit.&#8221;</p>
<p>Serious question for anyone who might know-would the lawyer have to have some kind of specialist experience in some area of hte law or could anybody out of law school do it?</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/01/05/afternoon-criminal-justice-roundup/comment-page-1/#comment-2507870</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2012 22:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If it turns out to be a wrong house raid, do the other 5 cops get charged with murder?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it turns out to be a wrong house raid, do the other 5 cops get charged with murder?</p>
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		<title>By: claude</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/01/05/afternoon-criminal-justice-roundup/comment-page-1/#comment-2507660</link>
		<dc:creator>claude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2012 21:47:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;One guy shoots 6 cops? And he’s not dead?&quot;

Looking like a pot grow.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;One guy shoots 6 cops? And he’s not dead?&#8221;</p>
<p>Looking like a pot grow.</p>
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		<title>By: Dante</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2012/01/05/afternoon-criminal-justice-roundup/comment-page-1/#comment-2507531</link>
		<dc:creator>Dante</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2012 21:26:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re:  Utah cop killed, 5 others shot by single suspect

One guy shoots 6 cops?  And he&#039;s not dead?

I smell blue on blue violence, and a cover-up.

What else is new?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re:  Utah cop killed, 5 others shot by single suspect</p>
<p>One guy shoots 6 cops?  And he&#8217;s not dead?</p>
<p>I smell blue on blue violence, and a cover-up.</p>
<p>What else is new?</p>
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		<title>By: CyniCAl</title>
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		<dc:creator>CyniCAl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2012 21:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@#8, felony murder?

If cops died in SWAT raids more often, they might rethink their tactics.  Just saying.  But I might be giving cops more credit for intelligence than they deserve.  On second thought, there&#039;s no &quot;might&quot; about it.  Cops and reason don&#039;t mix.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@#8, felony murder?</p>
<p>If cops died in SWAT raids more often, they might rethink their tactics.  Just saying.  But I might be giving cops more credit for intelligence than they deserve.  On second thought, there&#8217;s no &#8220;might&#8221; about it.  Cops and reason don&#8217;t mix.</p>
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