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Thursday, December 29th, 2011

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65 Responses to “Morning Links”

  1. #1 |  EBL | 

    I am very much against beef. But that is a personal choice on my part. Eat all the chickens, pigs and fish you want I say.

  2. #2 |  Rich | 

    mattocracy, SPEECH making meat less safe to eat, another way of stating the name of the title that this article was given. PURE HYSTERIA

  3. #3 |  Ted S. | 

    albatross wrote:

    Most of the industrial food critics Ive ever heard just don’t want to eat it themselves, preferring a higher-cost, higher-quality product.

    Not in my experience. They want to impose their food choices on everybody else, something I’ve taken to calling the Smug Diet. (I’m the Fedya in the thread who responded to the post I’ve linked to.)

    Any time these so called “public health” nannies try to impose their lifestyle choices on the rest of us by talking about quality of life, I find myself thinking that my quality of life would be much higher if I didn’t have to deal with people trying to bully me. (Note that, as always, the State is the biggest bully.) Also, I can feel my blood pressure getting higher when having to deal with these nasty bullies. I’m sure I’m not alone in that, and the collective blood pressure rise can’t be good for the “public” health. I’ve used this latter argument with some bullies (not in the thread I’ve linked to, though), and you should see them go nuts when they’re confronted with the negative consequences of their bullying: they’re so convinced of their self-righteousness that how could anybody possibly think their bullying isn’t an unalloyed good?

  4. #4 |  EBL |

    I am not sure who is a bigger tool, Newt or Romney. Both are better than Obama. But that is not saying much. It seems more and more likely the choices will be Obama or Romney. And I suspect if things do get bad for Obama (the race with Mitt will be close but neither will run away with it, at least at first) then they may bring in Hillary as Veep to try to spark some support for Obama.

  5. #5 |  EBL | 

    I agree with Ted S. There has been a history in this country of food reformers going back well into the 19th century. I do not mind people doing as they wish, but when they try to impose it on the rest of us it is a problem. And State bullying is usually reflective of the voters putting pressure on their representatives. There is something about self righteousness that is harmful to one’s health. Ironically the only “cure” is to indulge in some self destructive consuming of certain beverages and substances–preferably with like minded people you enjoy to be with.

  6. #6 |  EBL | 

    There is an allegory to this Church of the Nativity dispute. If Christian monks can not work out their differences in the location they agree Christ was born, how in hell can we expect any resolution in the region when dealing with Israelis, Palestinians and the surrounding countries? You would think logic would some day prevail, but people have so blinded themselves in what they deem is right that no resolution can be achieved and any atrocity can be justified.

  7. #7 |  TomG | 

    Even on The Agitator, Gary Johnson doesn’t even merit a single comment?
    I’m getting depressed – between the Ron Paul crowd who fiercely defend RP to the end and won’t admit that he has serious flaws as a candidate, and the others who just won’t even consider third party candidates (e.g. E. D. Kain at League of Ordinary Gentlemen), I wonder if Gary’s points will even be heard.

    He’s the only candidate I will support at the moment.

  8. #8 |  Detroiter | 

    There’s a naive, Drudge-like irony to skewering Oliver, Schlosser, et al., but it ignores farm subsidies >> agri-business corn production >> feed lots >> resultant e. coli >> cows covered in shit >> e. coli-contaminated shit in meat >> the application of ammonia as a _sensible_ approach to protecting consumers from these abuses.

    There’s nothing free-market about it. But at least Americans get 99-cent hamburgers. And Monsanto gets its farm subsidies.

  9. #9 |  Boyd Durkin | 

    the Ron Paul crowd who fiercely defend RP to the end and won’t admit that he has serious flaws as a candidate

    Let’s compare RP to the other candidates: Newt, Mitt, Michelle, Santorum, Obama, and Perry.

    I’m seeing serious flaws everywhere. You might want to add that RP supporters won’t admit that he eats and shits.

  10. #10 |  Boyd Durkin | 

    There’s nothing free-market about it. But at least Americans get 99-cent hamburgers. And Monsanto gets its farm subsidies.

    Why did it take 58 posts to sum it all up? Detroiter rocks.

  11. #11 |  A Critic | 

    “I don’t even know where to begin. We aren’t beyond the capacity of the planet. If we were, the population wouldn’t be growing. Destroying the fertility of the land? Well, hence we have fertilizers and the like. The compenents of fertilizers are not nonrenewable.”

    You can use steroids to surpass the carrying capacity of your muscles. It works for a while. Then it fails.

    Fertilizers don’t make the land fertile. They function as steroids do, maximizing production in the short term at the expense of health in the long term.

    And phosphorus is running out!

    “I also think this is horse shit. Either you are wrong or you’re taking serious gambles. Either way, even if you hate what the meat packing industry is doing, it’s the fucking law. If you think the law is bad, fine. But don’t blame companies for following the government mandated protocols you find so terrible.”

    I blame fascists for following fascist policies.

    “Gee, forgive me for thinking you’re completely full of shit. Cause I’m sure this is exactly how a meat packing facility operates that has a USDA inspector present. Because all meat packing facilities in the US have one of those present.”

    Yeah, you can trust the USDA! That is if you are an ignorant naive fool.

  12. #12 |  A Critic | 

    “So, yeah, when I see somebody smoking a cigarette or drinking a coffee as he bitches about pesticides, I have every reason to consider said person an asshole.”

    There’s a world of difference between a naturally occurring chemical produced in small quantities in a small number of plant species versus the wholesale dumping of toxic chemicals into our land, water, and air.

    “If it weren’t for chemical fertilizers, our current agricultural lands worldwide wouldn’t even support 2 billion people.”

    And what will be done when the soil is eroded and dead?

    “You want to slow the population growth to make things more “sustainable”)? USE MORE FERTILIZER.”

    Yeah, because destroying the fertility of the soil is the way to fertilize it!

    Oh wait, it ain’t. It’s not fertile, it’s not sustainable, and when the magic nutrient bank we call soil runs out people are going to be screwed.

    “You know what set of beliefs REALLY requires a moronic outlook? The belief that 3 billion people are going to volunteer to slowly starve to death in order to appease the bullshit pseudospiritual beliefs of a bunch of over-privileged white motherfuckers who would never spend a day away from the house without access to free-range, organic vegan trail mix.”

    That’s equally as stupid.

  13. #13 |  EBL | 

    I am also not going to pretend pesticides and fertilizers are problem free. Anyone who knows anything about water quality and run off knows you do not want to drink from any stream in an agricultural area (beyond mere fecal bacteria from cows, livestock, etc.). But you know how you deal with that? With science. With objective testing. With common sense.

  14. #14 |  lykorian | 

    it’s sad to see fellow libertarians buying the industry line on chemically-treated meat.

    there are two excellent alternatives to eating ammoniated beef: 1) buying grass-fed, hormone-free beef from a reputable local farm and 2) eating vegetables instead. a combination of those two is healthier, more sustainable and more environmentally responsible than eating abundant quantities of cheap, low-quality beef.

  15. #15 |  Windy | 

    There are ways of restoring the fertility to soil by using crop rotation. For instance growing green beans improves the soil by increasing the nitrogen in the soil.

    I haven’t personally confirmed this by growing this plant and testing the soil before and after its lifecycle is over, but I have read that hemp also gives back to the soil more than it takes from it. On the other hand there are crops that strip the soil of all the important nutrients, cotton is one of those soil strippers. Seems to me it would make more sense and the world would be better off if hemp became the foremost fiber used for fabrics of all kinds, over cotton and petroleum based synthetics (including plastic products other than fiber/fabric). Additionally, the hemp plant’s seeds supply an oil that can be used in diesel engines without modification of the engine (or so I’ve been told), and also makes a good cooking oil high in nutrient content. Logically we should be growing hemp in place of cotton and more hemp than corn.

    If you are concerned about “saving the forests” then you should know hemp is a much better alternative to wood pulp for making a higher quality paper with a much longer life span. Grow trees for the beauty of the forest and the fine woods used in furniture and cabinetry and to replenish our atmosphere, and grow hemp for paper (I’ve also read that high quality cannabis grown for medical and recreational use provides higher quality fibers and even a very strong bamboo type of “wood” for use in building and flooring, better quality than even plain old hemp, no seeds of course, but the fiber and building material are a better use for what’s left of the plant after harvest of the buds, for med/rec use, than just burning or shredding/chipping it).

    As for beef, free range graze them on grass (their natural food), forget the damn feedlots, supplement their diet with hemp leaves and seeds if grazing land is limited (all mammals have an endocannabinoid system, and hemp and cannabis are nutrient rich food sources) instead filling them with GM corn and antibiotics.