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	<description>It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do.</description>
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		<title>By: Sheldon Hofstader</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sheldon Hofstader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2011 07:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Lefty

I&#039;m pretty sure our government has tons of more pressing things to worry about, like the deficit, the sagging economy, violent crime, and... I could go on, but I&#039;d be wasting as much time as the government has on the whole Bonds saga.  They&#039;d be much better off figuring out how to dismiss ridiculous lawsuits like this one from our congested courts: http://lawblog.legalmatch.com/2011/12/12/kidnapper-sues-hostages-breach-contract/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Lefty</p>
<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure our government has tons of more pressing things to worry about, like the deficit, the sagging economy, violent crime, and&#8230; I could go on, but I&#8217;d be wasting as much time as the government has on the whole Bonds saga.  They&#8217;d be much better off figuring out how to dismiss ridiculous lawsuits like this one from our congested courts: <a href="http://lawblog.legalmatch.com/2011/12/12/kidnapper-sues-hostages-breach-contract/" rel="nofollow">http://lawblog.legalmatch.com/2011/12/12/kidnapper-sues-hostages-breach-contract/</a></p>
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		<title>By: JOR</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/12/17/saturday-links-60/comment-page-1/#comment-2382979</link>
		<dc:creator>JOR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2011 06:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Property forfeiture goes back much, much further than the Inquisition.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Property forfeiture goes back much, much further than the Inquisition.</p>
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		<title>By: JOR</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/12/17/saturday-links-60/comment-page-1/#comment-2380897</link>
		<dc:creator>JOR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2011 00:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#35, In other words, as I&#039;ve said before, civil disobedience functions best by provoking violent responses and then &lt;i&gt;making a fuss over it&lt;/i&gt;. In other words, doing the exact opposite of what smug authoritarian hecklers always insist they should do.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#35, In other words, as I&#8217;ve said before, civil disobedience functions best by provoking violent responses and then <i>making a fuss over it</i>. In other words, doing the exact opposite of what smug authoritarian hecklers always insist they should do.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Roth</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/12/17/saturday-links-60/comment-page-1/#comment-2380449</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Roth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2011 22:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Come to think of it, more than a few cops are probably learning a belated lesson about pepper spray now that Lt. Pike is an internet meme. If they aren&#039;t learning it on their own, they&#039;re probably being force-fed that piece of humble pie by their commanders. Police commanders are a media-savvy breed, and they don&#039;t like having to explain sworn knuckleheads who get caught on video and become overnight celebrities on the evening news. That&#039;s true even of cops who make honest mistakes or have minor temper problems during very heady situations: Johannes Mehserle, John Hatfield, Jeremy Morse, etc. Many commanders throw cops like these under the bus regardless of their actual culpability or the actual severity of their misconduct, if it can even be called that, for the sole reason that they&#039;d like the reporters to shut up for a while. I have to guess that a regular theme at roll-call meetings these days is a ranking officer holding up a picture of Lt. Pike with his can of burning love and barking, &quot;See this guy? Don&#039;t do that!&quot; 

Lt. Pike is looking like the Bull Connor of civil rights for hippies.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Come to think of it, more than a few cops are probably learning a belated lesson about pepper spray now that Lt. Pike is an internet meme. If they aren&#8217;t learning it on their own, they&#8217;re probably being force-fed that piece of humble pie by their commanders. Police commanders are a media-savvy breed, and they don&#8217;t like having to explain sworn knuckleheads who get caught on video and become overnight celebrities on the evening news. That&#8217;s true even of cops who make honest mistakes or have minor temper problems during very heady situations: Johannes Mehserle, John Hatfield, Jeremy Morse, etc. Many commanders throw cops like these under the bus regardless of their actual culpability or the actual severity of their misconduct, if it can even be called that, for the sole reason that they&#8217;d like the reporters to shut up for a while. I have to guess that a regular theme at roll-call meetings these days is a ranking officer holding up a picture of Lt. Pike with his can of burning love and barking, &#8220;See this guy? Don&#8217;t do that!&#8221; </p>
<p>Lt. Pike is looking like the Bull Connor of civil rights for hippies.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Roth</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/12/17/saturday-links-60/comment-page-1/#comment-2380334</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Roth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2011 22:15:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: C. S. P. Schofield, #13: 

You made some valid points in the second paragraph, but I&#039;d add that the Tea Party was quickly co-opted by moneyed interests, neutralizing its threat to the powers-that-be (early on, it was strongly anti-bank), while OWS has consistently and directly threatened the power of major corporations, which are also major donors to things like mayoral campaigns. Corporate political patrons are probably happy to have an such an easily co-opted rabble of libertarians-turned-bog-standard-dittoheads at their beck and call, making their own gussied-up robbery schemes look like legitimate mainstream policy. 

That said, I assume that some, if not all, of the police responsible for keeping the peace at Tea Party protests were familiar enough with recent history to take care not to provoke another Oklahoma City or Ruby Ridge. Cops tend to come from working-class and military backgrounds, so they&#039;re pretty familiar with right-wing cultural fault lines that police beat reporters usually miss.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: C. S. P. Schofield, #13: </p>
<p>You made some valid points in the second paragraph, but I&#8217;d add that the Tea Party was quickly co-opted by moneyed interests, neutralizing its threat to the powers-that-be (early on, it was strongly anti-bank), while OWS has consistently and directly threatened the power of major corporations, which are also major donors to things like mayoral campaigns. Corporate political patrons are probably happy to have an such an easily co-opted rabble of libertarians-turned-bog-standard-dittoheads at their beck and call, making their own gussied-up robbery schemes look like legitimate mainstream policy. </p>
<p>That said, I assume that some, if not all, of the police responsible for keeping the peace at Tea Party protests were familiar enough with recent history to take care not to provoke another Oklahoma City or Ruby Ridge. Cops tend to come from working-class and military backgrounds, so they&#8217;re pretty familiar with right-wing cultural fault lines that police beat reporters usually miss.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian V.</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/12/17/saturday-links-60/comment-page-1/#comment-2380135</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian V.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2011 21:23:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Reference C. S. P. Schofield  in #13:

Your second paragraph is quite a stretch!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reference C. S. P. Schofield  in #13:</p>
<p>Your second paragraph is quite a stretch!</p>
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		<title>By: Gideon Darrow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gideon Darrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2011 20:23:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[New &quot;public health&quot; fad: Texting while driving is addictive, &quot;like smoking.&quot;

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/18/us/reframing-the-debate-over-using-phones-while-driving.html?_r=1&amp;hp=&amp;pagewanted=all]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New &#8220;public health&#8221; fad: Texting while driving is addictive, &#8220;like smoking.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/18/us/reframing-the-debate-over-using-phones-while-driving.html?_r=1&#038;hp=&#038;pagewanted=all" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/18/us/reframing-the-debate-over-using-phones-while-driving.html?_r=1&#038;hp=&#038;pagewanted=all</a></p>
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		<title>By: c andrew</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/12/17/saturday-links-60/comment-page-1/#comment-2379465</link>
		<dc:creator>c andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2011 18:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The idea of property forfeiture goes back to the Inquisition where property of confessed or burned heretics was considered &quot;attainted&quot; with their guilt and can only be cleansed by the loving grasp of Mother Church. Secular authorities (Read as Kings and Despots) liked the idea so much that they then used them against people &quot;attainted&quot; with treason with their assets forfeited to the crown. 

The US supposedly did away with this notion except in the case of Treason and even there, there is an anti-government joker in the deck.

&lt;i&gt;Punishment for treason may not &quot;work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person&quot; so convicted. The descendants of someone convicted for treason could not, as they were under English law, be considered &quot;tainted&quot; by the treason of their ancestor. &lt;b&gt;Furthermore, Congress may confiscate the property of traitors, but that property must be inheritable at the death of the person convicted.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;

I find it of great interest that those willing to prosecute the drug war take their most significant tactics - asset forfeiture and the display of the confessed - from those sterling protectors of liberty, the Church&#039;s Inquisition and the Monarchs and Despots of the past. It appears that Newt Gingrich&#039;s conversion to Catholicism is timely - in an historical sense. Wasn&#039;t he the one that advocated public executions for drug dealers by beheading? Wow, the Statist Trifecta bringing together the bloody traditions of the Spanish Inquisition, the Tudor Monarchy, and the 1793 Reign of Terror. You have to give Newt credit. The bastard doesn&#039;t do anything by half-measures.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The idea of property forfeiture goes back to the Inquisition where property of confessed or burned heretics was considered &#8220;attainted&#8221; with their guilt and can only be cleansed by the loving grasp of Mother Church. Secular authorities (Read as Kings and Despots) liked the idea so much that they then used them against people &#8220;attainted&#8221; with treason with their assets forfeited to the crown. </p>
<p>The US supposedly did away with this notion except in the case of Treason and even there, there is an anti-government joker in the deck.</p>
<p><i>Punishment for treason may not &#8220;work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person&#8221; so convicted. The descendants of someone convicted for treason could not, as they were under English law, be considered &#8220;tainted&#8221; by the treason of their ancestor. <b>Furthermore, Congress may confiscate the property of traitors, but that property must be inheritable at the death of the person convicted.</b></i></p>
<p>I find it of great interest that those willing to prosecute the drug war take their most significant tactics &#8211; asset forfeiture and the display of the confessed &#8211; from those sterling protectors of liberty, the Church&#8217;s Inquisition and the Monarchs and Despots of the past. It appears that Newt Gingrich&#8217;s conversion to Catholicism is timely &#8211; in an historical sense. Wasn&#8217;t he the one that advocated public executions for drug dealers by beheading? Wow, the Statist Trifecta bringing together the bloody traditions of the Spanish Inquisition, the Tudor Monarchy, and the 1793 Reign of Terror. You have to give Newt credit. The bastard doesn&#8217;t do anything by half-measures.</p>
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		<title>By: derfel cadarn</title>
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		<dc:creator>derfel cadarn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2011 18:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If lying to congress is a crime we are going to have to hold special elections asap because a whole lotta people will be going to jail.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If lying to congress is a crime we are going to have to hold special elections asap because a whole lotta people will be going to jail.</p>
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		<title>By: Name Nomad</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/12/17/saturday-links-60/comment-page-1/#comment-2379312</link>
		<dc:creator>Name Nomad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2011 17:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.boston.com/news/local/new_hampshire/articles/2011/12/18/nh_considers_deregulating_cosmetology_other_jobs/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;NH considers deregulating cosmetology and other jobs&lt;/a&gt;

Absolute best quote from a (licensed) hairdresser in the article:

&lt;blockquote&gt;But licensees like Nashua cosmetologist Pam New say that their training protects the public which trusts the state to regulate the industry. New says hairdressers use powerful, caustic chemicals like bleach that can cause scars from burns if used incorrectly. Consumers assume cosmetologists are trained and licensed now, she said.

&quot;God forbid if anything happens,&quot; she said. &quot;Literally, we could make bombs with these chemicals.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Good thing they&#039;re not using hyperbole to protect their government-based barriers to entry or anything.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.boston.com/news/local/new_hampshire/articles/2011/12/18/nh_considers_deregulating_cosmetology_other_jobs/" rel="nofollow">NH considers deregulating cosmetology and other jobs</a></p>
<p>Absolute best quote from a (licensed) hairdresser in the article:</p>
<blockquote><p>But licensees like Nashua cosmetologist Pam New say that their training protects the public which trusts the state to regulate the industry. New says hairdressers use powerful, caustic chemicals like bleach that can cause scars from burns if used incorrectly. Consumers assume cosmetologists are trained and licensed now, she said.</p>
<p>&#8220;God forbid if anything happens,&#8221; she said. &#8220;Literally, we could make bombs with these chemicals.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Good thing they&#8217;re not using hyperbole to protect their government-based barriers to entry or anything.</p>
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		<title>By: Marty</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/12/17/saturday-links-60/comment-page-1/#comment-2378586</link>
		<dc:creator>Marty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2011 14:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[at least the people commenting on the asset forfeiture article are appropriately outraged. we need to be buying tar and feathers in bulk for this one...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>at least the people commenting on the asset forfeiture article are appropriately outraged. we need to be buying tar and feathers in bulk for this one&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2011 13:20:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The idea is that by suing the property, they still achieve due process of law because they&#039;re using a court proceeding and not just grabbing it with no form of recourse. But as it&#039;s a civil suit, the burden of proof in a forfeiture case is a lot lower than in the underlying criminal charges.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The idea is that by suing the property, they still achieve due process of law because they&#8217;re using a court proceeding and not just grabbing it with no form of recourse. But as it&#8217;s a civil suit, the burden of proof in a forfeiture case is a lot lower than in the underlying criminal charges.</p>
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		<title>By: nigmalg</title>
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		<dc:creator>nigmalg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2011 12:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The quick answer is that the government sues the property itself, not the owner of the property. It leads to interesting case law, such as “The People of the United States vs. $100,000 in cash.”

I&#039;m sufficiently confused as to how a person&#039;s property isn&#039;t &quot;property&quot; under the 5th amendment, regardless of &quot;who&quot; is the defendant. I read a lot of the case law, and I&#039;ve come to the conclusion that the robed tyrants wanted to excuse it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The quick answer is that the government sues the property itself, not the owner of the property. It leads to interesting case law, such as “The People of the United States vs. $100,000 in cash.”</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sufficiently confused as to how a person&#8217;s property isn&#8217;t &#8220;property&#8221; under the 5th amendment, regardless of &#8220;who&#8221; is the defendant. I read a lot of the case law, and I&#8217;ve come to the conclusion that the robed tyrants wanted to excuse it.</p>
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		<title>By: Windy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Windy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2011 07:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oops that was supposed to be &quot;statute&quot;.  I usually remember to correct it but this time I forgot.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops that was supposed to be &#8220;statute&#8221;.  I usually remember to correct it but this time I forgot.</p>
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		<title>By: Windy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Windy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2011 07:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ #13, the Constitution has had little effect on government excesses because the People basically stopped enforcing it sometime around Lincoln&#039;s presidency.  Hopefully the People are realizing this and starting to come to the conclusion they need to enforce it if we want to return to what is supposed to be a country full of people who are free to live their lives without government interference.  I, for one, have been trying to spread that information around.  If we want a Constitutional Republic that serves the needs government is supposed to serve, the majority of citizens must exercise our Constitutional responsibility to disobey unconstitutional laws, remove politicians who propose unconstitutional laws and actions from government and stand up for ourselves against the unlawful actions of the courts which are prosecuting unconstitutional laws, by going to trial and arguing the Constitutional limits on what government is authorized to do and what individuals ARE allowed to do, instead of plea bargaining to avoid trial.

&quot;The general misconception is that any statute passed by legislators bearing the appearance of law constitutes the law of the land. The Constitution of the United States is the supreme law of the land, and any statue, to be valid, must be in agreement. It is impossible for both the Constitution and a law violating it to be valid; one must prevail. This is succinctly stated as follows:
The general rule is that an unconstitutional statute, though having the form and name of law, is in reality no law, but is wholly void, and ineffective for any purpose; since unconstitutionality dates from the time of its enactment, and not merely from the date of the decision so branding it.
An unconstitutional law, in legal contemplation, is as inoperative as if it had never been passed. Such a statute leaves the question that it purports to settle just as it would be had the statute not been enacted.
Since an unconstitutional law is void, the general principals follow that it imposes no duties, confers no rights, creates no office, bestows no power or authority on anyone, affords no protection, and justifies no acts performed under it . . .
A void act cannot be legally consistent with a valid one.
An unconstitutional law cannot operate to supersede any existing valid law.
Indeed, insofar as a statute runs counter to the fundamental law of the land, it is superseded thereby.
No one is bound to obey an unconstitutional law and no courts are bound to enforce it.
– Sixteenth American Jurisprudence, Second Edition, Section 177. (late 2nd Ed. Section 256)&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ #13, the Constitution has had little effect on government excesses because the People basically stopped enforcing it sometime around Lincoln&#8217;s presidency.  Hopefully the People are realizing this and starting to come to the conclusion they need to enforce it if we want to return to what is supposed to be a country full of people who are free to live their lives without government interference.  I, for one, have been trying to spread that information around.  If we want a Constitutional Republic that serves the needs government is supposed to serve, the majority of citizens must exercise our Constitutional responsibility to disobey unconstitutional laws, remove politicians who propose unconstitutional laws and actions from government and stand up for ourselves against the unlawful actions of the courts which are prosecuting unconstitutional laws, by going to trial and arguing the Constitutional limits on what government is authorized to do and what individuals ARE allowed to do, instead of plea bargaining to avoid trial.</p>
<p>&#8220;The general misconception is that any statute passed by legislators bearing the appearance of law constitutes the law of the land. The Constitution of the United States is the supreme law of the land, and any statue, to be valid, must be in agreement. It is impossible for both the Constitution and a law violating it to be valid; one must prevail. This is succinctly stated as follows:<br />
The general rule is that an unconstitutional statute, though having the form and name of law, is in reality no law, but is wholly void, and ineffective for any purpose; since unconstitutionality dates from the time of its enactment, and not merely from the date of the decision so branding it.<br />
An unconstitutional law, in legal contemplation, is as inoperative as if it had never been passed. Such a statute leaves the question that it purports to settle just as it would be had the statute not been enacted.<br />
Since an unconstitutional law is void, the general principals follow that it imposes no duties, confers no rights, creates no office, bestows no power or authority on anyone, affords no protection, and justifies no acts performed under it . . .<br />
A void act cannot be legally consistent with a valid one.<br />
An unconstitutional law cannot operate to supersede any existing valid law.<br />
Indeed, insofar as a statute runs counter to the fundamental law of the land, it is superseded thereby.<br />
No one is bound to obey an unconstitutional law and no courts are bound to enforce it.<br />
– Sixteenth American Jurisprudence, Second Edition, Section 177. (late 2nd Ed. Section 256)&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: delurking</title>
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		<dc:creator>delurking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2011 04:10:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t understand why this pension &quot;double-dipping&quot; thing upsets people.  I don&#039;t have a gov&#039;t-funded pension, but I do have a 401k and a retirement account.  If I work past 65 and start withdrawing from them while I&#039;m still working, that wouldn&#039;t be a problem, would it?  Why is a pension any different?  OK, it is funded from taxes, but so is his salary.  If he had been payed more each year and had put the excess money into a private retirement account, it would be the same thing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand why this pension &#8220;double-dipping&#8221; thing upsets people.  I don&#8217;t have a gov&#8217;t-funded pension, but I do have a 401k and a retirement account.  If I work past 65 and start withdrawing from them while I&#8217;m still working, that wouldn&#8217;t be a problem, would it?  Why is a pension any different?  OK, it is funded from taxes, but so is his salary.  If he had been payed more each year and had put the excess money into a private retirement account, it would be the same thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Brandon</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/12/17/saturday-links-60/comment-page-1/#comment-2375447</link>
		<dc:creator>Brandon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2011 03:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jncc, do you have a point? The federal government spent tens of millions of dollars on a grandstanding, pointless prosecution of someone who they could not prove committed any actual crimes, so they stuck him with what amounts to a procedural violation out of spite. The best part is that the U.S. Attorney basically admits that it was just for spite, or maybe jealousy if that makes you feel better about this tremendous abuse of power. 


&quot;Parrella had sought 15 months in prison and argued that home confinement wasn&#039;t punishment enough &quot;for a man with a 15,000-square-foot house with all the advantages.&quot; Bonds lives in a six-bedroom, 10-bath house with a gym and swimming pool.&quot;

Translation: Depriving a man of his liberty on a technicality isn&#039;t enough because that man is more successful than me!

&quot;&quot;The defendant basically lived a double life for decades before this,&quot; Parrella said. He ripped Bonds not only over performance-enhancing drugs but over his personal life: &quot;He had mistresses throughout his marriages.&quot;

Parrella said Bonds made lots of money due in part to his use of performance enhancers and that he has been &quot;unrepentant&quot; and &quot;unapologetic&quot; about it.&quot;

Look very closely at that, Jncc. Go over it slowly, in detail. Notice that absolutely nothing he mentions there is a crime.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jncc, do you have a point? The federal government spent tens of millions of dollars on a grandstanding, pointless prosecution of someone who they could not prove committed any actual crimes, so they stuck him with what amounts to a procedural violation out of spite. The best part is that the U.S. Attorney basically admits that it was just for spite, or maybe jealousy if that makes you feel better about this tremendous abuse of power. </p>
<p>&#8220;Parrella had sought 15 months in prison and argued that home confinement wasn&#8217;t punishment enough &#8220;for a man with a 15,000-square-foot house with all the advantages.&#8221; Bonds lives in a six-bedroom, 10-bath house with a gym and swimming pool.&#8221;</p>
<p>Translation: Depriving a man of his liberty on a technicality isn&#8217;t enough because that man is more successful than me!</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8221;The defendant basically lived a double life for decades before this,&#8221; Parrella said. He ripped Bonds not only over performance-enhancing drugs but over his personal life: &#8220;He had mistresses throughout his marriages.&#8221;</p>
<p>Parrella said Bonds made lots of money due in part to his use of performance enhancers and that he has been &#8220;unrepentant&#8221; and &#8220;unapologetic&#8221; about it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Look very closely at that, Jncc. Go over it slowly, in detail. Notice that absolutely nothing he mentions there is a crime.</p>
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		<title>By: jdb79</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/12/17/saturday-links-60/comment-page-1/#comment-2375290</link>
		<dc:creator>jdb79</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2011 02:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[20 - do you know any other songs? We&#039;ve heard this one already, and it&#039;s a little weepy for this crowd.

&quot;&#039;The defendant basically lived a double life for decades before this,&#039; Parrella said. &#039;He had mistresses throughout his marriages.&#039;&quot;

I wonder how Parrella feels about the high point of his career as a federal prosecutor.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>20 &#8211; do you know any other songs? We&#8217;ve heard this one already, and it&#8217;s a little weepy for this crowd.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8216;The defendant basically lived a double life for decades before this,&#8217; Parrella said. &#8216;He had mistresses throughout his marriages.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
<p>I wonder how Parrella feels about the high point of his career as a federal prosecutor.</p>
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		<title>By: Jncc</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/12/17/saturday-links-60/comment-page-1/#comment-2374949</link>
		<dc:creator>Jncc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2011 01:24:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Feds spend tens of millions of dollars to put Barry Bonds on probation for lying to a roomful of professional liars.&quot;

He lied to citizens on a grand jury.

You&#039;re confusing your cynical dishonesty with wit.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Feds spend tens of millions of dollars to put Barry Bonds on probation for lying to a roomful of professional liars.&#8221;</p>
<p>He lied to citizens on a grand jury.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re confusing your cynical dishonesty with wit.</p>
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		<title>By: JOR</title>
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		<dc:creator>JOR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2011 23:58:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, the Tea Party is a horrible example of a successful protest movement. They basically got absorbed into the politics-as-usual Viral Center, on the same side of the GOP hacks they originally started up to complain about, no less.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, the Tea Party is a horrible example of a successful protest movement. They basically got absorbed into the politics-as-usual Viral Center, on the same side of the GOP hacks they originally started up to complain about, no less.</p>
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