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	<title>Comments on: Saturday Links</title>
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	<description>It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do.</description>
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		<title>By: croaker</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/12/03/saturday-links-58/comment-page-1/#comment-2255111</link>
		<dc:creator>croaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2011 02:26:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And notice we have yet another case of a persecutor upping the penalty just for forcing this to a trial.  &quot;Take my generous plea-bargain or I will put you in a cage with an HIV+ ass rapist for his enjoyment.&quot;  Sheesh.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And notice we have yet another case of a persecutor upping the penalty just for forcing this to a trial.  &#8220;Take my generous plea-bargain or I will put you in a cage with an HIV+ ass rapist for his enjoyment.&#8221;  Sheesh.</p>
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		<title>By: C. S. P. Schofield</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/12/03/saturday-links-58/comment-page-1/#comment-2254080</link>
		<dc:creator>C. S. P. Schofield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Dec 2011 23:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Regarding neverwet; Am I the only person here who thinks that clothes sprayed with the stuff will be exquisitely uncomfortable?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding neverwet; Am I the only person here who thinks that clothes sprayed with the stuff will be exquisitely uncomfortable?</p>
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		<title>By: c andrew</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/12/03/saturday-links-58/comment-page-1/#comment-2251565</link>
		<dc:creator>c andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Dec 2011 17:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[But I still think it&#039;s pretty cool. There are all sorts of things I need to spray with this!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But I still think it&#8217;s pretty cool. There are all sorts of things I need to spray with this!</p>
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		<title>By: c andrew</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/12/03/saturday-links-58/comment-page-1/#comment-2251562</link>
		<dc:creator>c andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Dec 2011 17:30:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Regarding NeverWet. Alec Guiness already invented this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_in_the_White_Suit]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding NeverWet. Alec Guiness already invented this.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_in_the_White_Suit" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_in_the_White_Suit</a></p>
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		<title>By: Windy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Windy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Dec 2011 05:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some apt quotes about the nanny state:

&quot;I would rather live in a society which treated children as adults than one which treated adults as children.&quot; — Lizard

&quot;Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the government&#039;s purposes are beneficial ... the greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well meaning but without understanding.&quot; — Supreme Court Justice Louis D. Brandeis, 1928

&quot;Virtually all reasonable laws are obeyed, not because they are the law, but because reasonable people would do that anyway. If you obey a law simply because it is the law, that&#039;s a pretty likely sign that it shouldn&#039;t be a law.&quot; —?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some apt quotes about the nanny state:</p>
<p>&#8220;I would rather live in a society which treated children as adults than one which treated adults as children.&#8221; — Lizard</p>
<p>&#8220;Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the government&#8217;s purposes are beneficial &#8230; the greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well meaning but without understanding.&#8221; — Supreme Court Justice Louis D. Brandeis, 1928</p>
<p>&#8220;Virtually all reasonable laws are obeyed, not because they are the law, but because reasonable people would do that anyway. If you obey a law simply because it is the law, that&#8217;s a pretty likely sign that it shouldn&#8217;t be a law.&#8221; —?</p>
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		<title>By: C. S. P. Schofield</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/12/03/saturday-links-58/comment-page-1/#comment-2247831</link>
		<dc:creator>C. S. P. Schofield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Dec 2011 04:21:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[BamBam,

Seeing that coughing and sneezing are at least in part involuntary, how the pluperfect hell do they get away with that?

Or hasn&#039;t it been challenged yet?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BamBam,</p>
<p>Seeing that coughing and sneezing are at least in part involuntary, how the pluperfect hell do they get away with that?</p>
<p>Or hasn&#8217;t it been challenged yet?</p>
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		<title>By: BamBam</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/12/03/saturday-links-58/comment-page-1/#comment-2247405</link>
		<dc:creator>BamBam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Dec 2011 02:54:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@19 &quot;They’ll be banning perfume and scented laundry detergent, next.&quot;  Already done in many government offices.  My County Elections Office has this ban, and presented the other bans to me when I wanted to watch how they do voting machine validation (a joke), validate votes, etc.  There were also distance bans (distance to the employees), verbal bans, even noise bans (no loud coughing, no sneezing, etc).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@19 &#8220;They’ll be banning perfume and scented laundry detergent, next.&#8221;  Already done in many government offices.  My County Elections Office has this ban, and presented the other bans to me when I wanted to watch how they do voting machine validation (a joke), validate votes, etc.  There were also distance bans (distance to the employees), verbal bans, even noise bans (no loud coughing, no sneezing, etc).</p>
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		<title>By: C. S. P. Schofield</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/12/03/saturday-links-58/comment-page-1/#comment-2246499</link>
		<dc:creator>C. S. P. Schofield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Dec 2011 00:08:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jim,

The EPA meta-study on &quot;Environmental Tobacco Smoke&quot; admits (PP33-36, somewhere in there, it&#039;s a while since I read the dratted thing) that the highest level of exposure that they expected to encounter in the real world would amount to smoking two fifths of a cigarette a day. The &#039;danger&#039; of being exposed to &#039;secondhand smoke&#039; has been wildly exaggerated, by people who feel about tobacco they way that the Anti-Saloon League felt about alcohol; damn that facts, they KNOW it&#039;s bad.. To then say that danger exists from being in the vicinity of someone &#039;smoking&#039; an e-cigarette is a huge leap of (bad) faith.

If secondhand smoke, and by extension secondhand e-cigarette steam, annoying? Sure. So are creepy christmas songs, Che shirts, and a lot of other things that people seem to feel compelled to share. Deal. With. It.

Or keep pushing, and watch what happens when we replay Prohibition with Tobacco. Hint; the archetype of the Benevolent or Wise Drunk in popular culture seems to have originated with the Roaring 20&#039;s, and we didn&#039;t start getting over it until the 1970&#039;s. 

As for why not the Gum or the Patches; why would somebody who enjoys nicotine want to put money in the coffers of the very people who constantly badger him?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim,</p>
<p>The EPA meta-study on &#8220;Environmental Tobacco Smoke&#8221; admits (PP33-36, somewhere in there, it&#8217;s a while since I read the dratted thing) that the highest level of exposure that they expected to encounter in the real world would amount to smoking two fifths of a cigarette a day. The &#8216;danger&#8217; of being exposed to &#8216;secondhand smoke&#8217; has been wildly exaggerated, by people who feel about tobacco they way that the Anti-Saloon League felt about alcohol; damn that facts, they KNOW it&#8217;s bad.. To then say that danger exists from being in the vicinity of someone &#8216;smoking&#8217; an e-cigarette is a huge leap of (bad) faith.</p>
<p>If secondhand smoke, and by extension secondhand e-cigarette steam, annoying? Sure. So are creepy christmas songs, Che shirts, and a lot of other things that people seem to feel compelled to share. Deal. With. It.</p>
<p>Or keep pushing, and watch what happens when we replay Prohibition with Tobacco. Hint; the archetype of the Benevolent or Wise Drunk in popular culture seems to have originated with the Roaring 20&#8242;s, and we didn&#8217;t start getting over it until the 1970&#8242;s. </p>
<p>As for why not the Gum or the Patches; why would somebody who enjoys nicotine want to put money in the coffers of the very people who constantly badger him?</p>
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		<title>By: H. Rearden</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/12/03/saturday-links-58/comment-page-1/#comment-2246187</link>
		<dc:creator>H. Rearden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2011 23:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Can we ban patchouli oil perfume?  There nothing that turns my stomach more than that scent.  There has to be some substance in it that is more lethal than e-cig vapor.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can we ban patchouli oil perfume?  There nothing that turns my stomach more than that scent.  There has to be some substance in it that is more lethal than e-cig vapor.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Rearden</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/12/03/saturday-links-58/comment-page-1/#comment-2245784</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Rearden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2011 21:39:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The hedonic nature of puffing on an e-cigarette helps smokers to quit better than gum or patches.

The hedonic nature of puffing on an e-cigarette is likely what is making the nanny-staters uncomfortable, not the actual contents of the vapor. They don&#039;t like that you&#039;re enjoying something they&#039;ve deemed unhealthy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The hedonic nature of puffing on an e-cigarette helps smokers to quit better than gum or patches.</p>
<p>The hedonic nature of puffing on an e-cigarette is likely what is making the nanny-staters uncomfortable, not the actual contents of the vapor. They don&#8217;t like that you&#8217;re enjoying something they&#8217;ve deemed unhealthy.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl-Bear</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl-Bear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2011 21:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ #9/#12/#16 Jim:

And the EPA says CO2 is a lethal pollutant that&#039;s going to cause the planet to go up in flames (sadly, only a very mild exaggeration of its position). So if I catch you breathing in sorta-vaguely near proximity to me, I&#039;m going to sue you, and maybe even file a criminal assault complaint.

&quot;The dose makes the poison.&quot; - Paracelsus]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ #9/#12/#16 Jim:</p>
<p>And the EPA says CO2 is a lethal pollutant that&#8217;s going to cause the planet to go up in flames (sadly, only a very mild exaggeration of its position). So if I catch you breathing in sorta-vaguely near proximity to me, I&#8217;m going to sue you, and maybe even file a criminal assault complaint.</p>
<p>&#8220;The dose makes the poison.&#8221; &#8211; Paracelsus</p>
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		<title>By: CyniCAl</title>
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		<dc:creator>CyniCAl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2011 21:06:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#15 &#124; Bob -- &quot;Neanderthals are making a comeback in New Jersey.&quot;

Bob, when I fled NJ in 1988, whatever sanity present at the time in that dismal fucking hellhole came along with me.  I can assure you that Neanderthals have been in charge there forever and will remain so.

Damn, I hate the Northeast.  Philadelphia is the worst.  There&#039;s only about three city blocks in Manhattan that I can tolerate.

/rant]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#15 | Bob &#8212; &#8220;Neanderthals are making a comeback in New Jersey.&#8221;</p>
<p>Bob, when I fled NJ in 1988, whatever sanity present at the time in that dismal fucking hellhole came along with me.  I can assure you that Neanderthals have been in charge there forever and will remain so.</p>
<p>Damn, I hate the Northeast.  Philadelphia is the worst.  There&#8217;s only about three city blocks in Manhattan that I can tolerate.</p>
<p>/rant</p>
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		<title>By: CyniCAl</title>
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		<dc:creator>CyniCAl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2011 21:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Boston to World: do what the fuck we say or we&#039;ll fuck you up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boston to World: do what the fuck we say or we&#8217;ll fuck you up.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2011 20:49:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;If it’s all about getting a nicotine fix, why not a stick of nicotine gum, a patch, or some other less obtrusive method. Why a miniature smoke generator?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Because it&#039;s not just about getting a nicotine fix. It&#039;s about an addiction, which is a complex set of behaviors and patterns set into the mind. It&#039;s REALLY difficult for smokers to quit because of the myriad overlaps of all these habits and patterns.

Treating cigarette addiction as if it&#039;s simply a physical addiction to nicotine is as foolish and useless as telling obese people to &quot;Just eat less food.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If it’s all about getting a nicotine fix, why not a stick of nicotine gum, a patch, or some other less obtrusive method. Why a miniature smoke generator?</p></blockquote>
<p>Because it&#8217;s not just about getting a nicotine fix. It&#8217;s about an addiction, which is a complex set of behaviors and patterns set into the mind. It&#8217;s REALLY difficult for smokers to quit because of the myriad overlaps of all these habits and patterns.</p>
<p>Treating cigarette addiction as if it&#8217;s simply a physical addiction to nicotine is as foolish and useless as telling obese people to &#8220;Just eat less food.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Marty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2011 20:37:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I hate smoking bans and I don&#039;t smoke. People think businesses not supported by public funds are &#039;public&#039; properties, subject to the whims of the majority. This e cigarette ban highlights how ridiculous the nannies are. They&#039;ll be banning perfume and scented laundry detergent, next. Cabbies will have to get rid of their pine tree air fresheners. 
They&#039;re taking 100 miles for every reasonable inch they were offered.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate smoking bans and I don&#8217;t smoke. People think businesses not supported by public funds are &#8216;public&#8217; properties, subject to the whims of the majority. This e cigarette ban highlights how ridiculous the nannies are. They&#8217;ll be banning perfume and scented laundry detergent, next. Cabbies will have to get rid of their pine tree air fresheners.<br />
They&#8217;re taking 100 miles for every reasonable inch they were offered.</p>
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		<title>By: Radley Balko</title>
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		<dc:creator>Radley Balko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2011 20:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;If it’s all about getting a nicotine fix, why not a stick of nicotine gum, a patch, or some other less obtrusive method. Why a miniature smoke generator?&lt;/em&gt;

Why not? Also, it doesn&#039;t generate smoke, just vapor. 

I&#039;d also imagine mimicking a cigarette helps people who are trying to quit better than a patch or gum.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>If it’s all about getting a nicotine fix, why not a stick of nicotine gum, a patch, or some other less obtrusive method. Why a miniature smoke generator?</em></p>
<p>Why not? Also, it doesn&#8217;t generate smoke, just vapor. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d also imagine mimicking a cigarette helps people who are trying to quit better than a patch or gum.</p>
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		<title>By: a_random_guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>a_random_guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2011 20:27:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Jim: I think the point here is that the e-cigarette &quot;smoke&quot; is perfectly safe. From Wikipedia: &quot;Because of its low chronic oral toxicity, propylene glycol was classified by the U. S. Food and Drug Administration as &quot;generally recognized as safe&quot; (GRAS) for use as a direct food additive.&quot;

That said, I expect that part of the motivation for banning e-cigs is the idea that they may tempt people into smoking real cigarettes. Whether that is right or wrong, I can&#039;t say, but I see the argument.

If it&#039;s all about getting a nicotine fix, why not a stick of nicotine gum, a patch, or some other less obtrusive method. Why a miniature smoke generator?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jim: I think the point here is that the e-cigarette &#8220;smoke&#8221; is perfectly safe. From Wikipedia: &#8220;Because of its low chronic oral toxicity, propylene glycol was classified by the U. S. Food and Drug Administration as &#8220;generally recognized as safe&#8221; (GRAS) for use as a direct food additive.&#8221;</p>
<p>That said, I expect that part of the motivation for banning e-cigs is the idea that they may tempt people into smoking real cigarettes. Whether that is right or wrong, I can&#8217;t say, but I see the argument.</p>
<p>If it&#8217;s all about getting a nicotine fix, why not a stick of nicotine gum, a patch, or some other less obtrusive method. Why a miniature smoke generator?</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Wetzel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Wetzel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2011 20:20:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Greg (and EH): really, I&#039;m not just trying to be obtuse about this, although I&#039;m sure that&#039;s how I&#039;m coming across.  But I&#039;m really not seeing what the bright-line principle is whereby one ridicules bans against E-smoking and does not ridicule bans against non-E-smoking.  I&#039;ll freely admit that the idea of breathing this nicotinous pseudo-fog creeps me out pretty well, personally, but I&#039;m certainly opposed to the Boston ban: I mean, you socialize in the 500-E-smoker room, I&#039;ll socialize elsewhere, everybody&#039;s happy, and voluntarism&#039;s a fine thing indeed.  Doesn&#039;t the same apply to combustive smoking?

And with that, I&#039;ll back off and read.  I&#039;m sounding pretty obtuse to myself at this point.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg (and EH): really, I&#8217;m not just trying to be obtuse about this, although I&#8217;m sure that&#8217;s how I&#8217;m coming across.  But I&#8217;m really not seeing what the bright-line principle is whereby one ridicules bans against E-smoking and does not ridicule bans against non-E-smoking.  I&#8217;ll freely admit that the idea of breathing this nicotinous pseudo-fog creeps me out pretty well, personally, but I&#8217;m certainly opposed to the Boston ban: I mean, you socialize in the 500-E-smoker room, I&#8217;ll socialize elsewhere, everybody&#8217;s happy, and voluntarism&#8217;s a fine thing indeed.  Doesn&#8217;t the same apply to combustive smoking?</p>
<p>And with that, I&#8217;ll back off and read.  I&#8217;m sounding pretty obtuse to myself at this point.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2011 20:15:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The only thing that amazes me more than retards that want to ban E-cigs is the fact that Neanderthals are making a comeback in New Jersey. And apparently, they have jobs as Port Authority cops, Prosecutors, and Judges!

There was a TV show on the History Channel about a tribe of Neanderthals in Jersey called &quot;Scrappers&quot;. It detailed their attempts to comprehend modern civilization as they blundered through their day. Very educational! It&#039;s good that these atavisms from the past are being studied by the Scientific Community.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only thing that amazes me more than retards that want to ban E-cigs is the fact that Neanderthals are making a comeback in New Jersey. And apparently, they have jobs as Port Authority cops, Prosecutors, and Judges!</p>
<p>There was a TV show on the History Channel about a tribe of Neanderthals in Jersey called &#8220;Scrappers&#8221;. It detailed their attempts to comprehend modern civilization as they blundered through their day. Very educational! It&#8217;s good that these atavisms from the past are being studied by the Scientific Community.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/12/03/saturday-links-58/comment-page-1/#comment-2245232</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2011 19:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jim, burning a cigarette creates 4000 chemicals which, when released into a closed environment, has the capacity to, at the least, do some harm to minor children.

E-cigarette vapor has been tested, and none of the 50 main carcinogens found in secondhand smoke are present.  Additionally, unlike smoke, e-cigarette vapor doesn&#039;t make it hard for bystanders to breathe.  I have been in a room with 500 e-cigarette users, and another 100 spouses and friends who didn&#039;t use e-cigs, and there was no sign that any person had any comfort problems.

E-cigarettes are essentially mini-fog machines with some nicotine (which isn&#039;t a carcinogen, and 98-99% is absorbed into the mouth/lungs), with the difference being that fog machines use more propylene glycol in a night than I probably use in six months to a year.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim, burning a cigarette creates 4000 chemicals which, when released into a closed environment, has the capacity to, at the least, do some harm to minor children.</p>
<p>E-cigarette vapor has been tested, and none of the 50 main carcinogens found in secondhand smoke are present.  Additionally, unlike smoke, e-cigarette vapor doesn&#8217;t make it hard for bystanders to breathe.  I have been in a room with 500 e-cigarette users, and another 100 spouses and friends who didn&#8217;t use e-cigs, and there was no sign that any person had any comfort problems.</p>
<p>E-cigarettes are essentially mini-fog machines with some nicotine (which isn&#8217;t a carcinogen, and 98-99% is absorbed into the mouth/lungs), with the difference being that fog machines use more propylene glycol in a night than I probably use in six months to a year.</p>
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