You can explain precisely why you’re ideologically committed to ensuring that the current failure of corporatism is continued

A position I do not hold. This has been explained to you several times before. I have to conclude the concept (I am against corporatism) is beyond you. Do you understand?

BTW, I could explain that position rationally even though I don’t believe it…that’s often called for in debate.

Nope, you cry socialism. Never mind America is spending twice as much to cover a fraction of the population, and that you want to make the situation worse by excluding more people, and dialing back even further on preventative care. No, universal healthcare is a failure because you must view it as a failure because of your ideological blinders.

I take this as a “NO!” to my request for an honest debate. This is just a terrible failure on your part, Leon. Again telling me my position (incorrectly) most likely for two reasons:
1. You are unable to understand a libertarian, capitalist, or free-market position.
2. You only care about axe-grinding and planting your freak flag far-and-wide.
3. You aren’t capable of actual reasoned debate. Hey, it isn’t as easy as flaming…I’ll give you that.

(Also, “leveling up”. I’m mocking you, you think I care for your ideological markers?)

I mentioned “leveling up” to mock YOU since it appears you’re only capable of ranting and cascading logic fallacies which is like a Level 1 mage who gets killed by a sand crab. You spend a lot of time here and these issues are important to you. I highly recommend you get better at logic and debate. It will–maybe–put your position in a better light to convince others. As it stands, I’m thrilled you are representing socialism. That’s a win for my side every time.

After studying and learning you don’t have to use your new skills, but it’ll enrich your life greatly and you can thank me later if you want. This advice is my gift to you.

It seems to me the FHP’s worry that the cruiser might have been stolen is similarly spurious, ridiculous, and moronic. A stolen police car is sort of incident you’d expect to be reported over the radio pretty promptly, and certainly the sort of thing you could confirm with the dispatcher before using it as a justification for whatever you did. Furthermore, the speeding MPD guy was also in uniform, which makes the “stolen” claim even weaker.

MPD guy is definitely very much in the wrong here, but FHP gal could have dealt with the problem better. The goal is to achieve appropriate discipline and compliance, and what we may get instead a feud between MPD and FHP, which MPD guy’s gross recklessness is ignored or minimized.

Capitalism is socialist.

http://police4aqi.wordpress.com/2011/11/12/video-policeman-versus-ex-policeman

America has some VERY socialist policies. Rent controls, credit unions and more. It’s just that nobody’s allowed to call then what they are.

You can explain precisely why you’re ideologically committed to ensuring that the current failure of corporatism is continued, that you want to ride it all the way down. Right.

Never mind, again, that there are universal, largely market-driven systems of healthcare in some countries, the .nl one delivers a far HIGHER percentage of care from the private sector, for example.

Nope, you cry socialism. Never mind America is spending twice as much to cover a fraction of the population, and that you want to make the situation worse by excluding more people, and dialing back even further on preventative care. No, universal healthcare is a failure because you must view it as a failure because of your ideological blinders.

(Also, “leveling up”. I’m mocking you, you think I care for your ideological markers?)

@36 – I completely fail to see to the relevance of a local helicopter ambulance service, I’m afraid.

I think we all know you love socialism and have only great things to say about it. If you want an honest debate, great…let’s do it. This would be a great chance for you to level-up here.

The post at #14 identifies one of the failures of collectivist health care…namely that it does not reduce costs at all and predictably doubles-down on the mistakes by implementing price controls…which also are doomed to failure. To this, you respond:

@14 – But, but, socialism!

Is that the extent of the socialist reasoned response?

Please, PLEASE tell us that you are not serious! The outcome would be that you have an MPD guy claiming to act on spurious, ridiculous, moronic grounds. No one could reasonably suspect that an FHP cruiser was stolen simply because he observed its occupant acting responsibly in the pursuit of a criminal while bedecked in an official FHP uniform.

My post just prior to yours says that no, this cop did not get treated as a mundane. Driving a cop car with a uniform means you don’t get apprehended by a large group of backup police, tazed or beaten in the process and then charged with multiple felonies.

My take on this incident is that this officer did exactly what a police officer is supposed to do, under the law. Use their force and power judiciously against someone that is acting with reckless disregard to the safety of other people, but refraining from using their power and fellow officers to administer “street justice” against someone that did not actually harm anyone.

The only problem is that it seems police officers are the only recipient of truly moderated, proper police enforcement, at least in this case. Any mundane would get put through the police and legal wringer.

@36 John – anything for teh childrens and teh handicappeds! You’re not the kind of guy who’s going to call the cops on me when I leave my kids in the car to buy a gallon of milk, are you?

Of course, if it doesn’t the whole program will tank because people will soon learn that reporting a parking violation is tantamount to volunteering to spend time in court.

@33 Leon: if the state regulates doctors the way they regulate programmers, it makes sense that some variant of the “open source” model in medicine will arise. As it stands now, unregulated providers such as suicide prevention make services available for free, often highly effectively. If the government regulates medicine the way it regulates aviation, I would expect some analog to life flight to spring up. I don’t consider the status of “self governing profession” the only foundation for ethics. In any case, I don’t say we should have free enterprise medicine; I remain agnostic on the subject. I merely say, and I insist, that comments on this subject should not start with the notion that the US had free enterprise in medicine in, say, 1950, and government programs since have violated that freedom. A medieval craft guild does not equal free enterprise.

But of course, cops see this not as an indication that their standards are inconsistent and have to be rectified (in one direction or the other) but as a dispute over the proper pecking order.

@14 – But, but, socialism!

(Never mind that copying the NHS isn’t a good idea either, there are plenty of good market-based solutions to copy)

So the police then become an instrument of terror, in effect. Terrorists, if you will.

Gee, didn’t our government have a special program for Terrorists? Shock & Awe, or something?

Can’t wait to see them use it on the newest variety.