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		<title>By: markm</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/11/09/morning-links-567/comment-page-1/#comment-2084576</link>
		<dc:creator>markm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2011 23:28:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s something missing in the story about the Nashville PD donating stolen property to charity - the rightful owners.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s something missing in the story about the Nashville PD donating stolen property to charity &#8211; the rightful owners.</p>
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		<title>By: JOR</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/11/09/morning-links-567/comment-page-1/#comment-2019072</link>
		<dc:creator>JOR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2011 09:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;OK, Russel Pearce is probably a jerk, but let’s be accurate here. He’s anti-ILLEGAL immigration.&quot;

So legalize it. Problem solved. Wonder why the people who insist they&#039;re only against illegal immigration are unanimously opposed to that solution.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;OK, Russel Pearce is probably a jerk, but let’s be accurate here. He’s anti-ILLEGAL immigration.&#8221;</p>
<p>So legalize it. Problem solved. Wonder why the people who insist they&#8217;re only against illegal immigration are unanimously opposed to that solution.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/11/09/morning-links-567/comment-page-1/#comment-2017585</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2011 04:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OT - A little bit of good news. Remember the Canton Ohio cop going nuts?

http://www.ohioccw.org/201107214955/cantonpd.html

Now lets hope the cop gets fired. Probably never happen, but I can hope. My ability to hope is almost dead but still barely there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OT &#8211; A little bit of good news. Remember the Canton Ohio cop going nuts?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ohioccw.org/201107214955/cantonpd.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ohioccw.org/201107214955/cantonpd.html</a></p>
<p>Now lets hope the cop gets fired. Probably never happen, but I can hope. My ability to hope is almost dead but still barely there.</p>
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		<title>By: cyto</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/11/09/morning-links-567/comment-page-1/#comment-2017234</link>
		<dc:creator>cyto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2011 02:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Immigration in general is a good thing.  Open borders... maybe not so much. 

Thought experiment:   let&#039;s say the US and canada were in conflict over some issue.  Both countries have completely open immigration policies.  Rather than fight it out, the US just sends 20 million immigrants over the border and they vote for unification in the next election....

Or how about this...  Canada is really worried about a second Obama term.  So they send a half million immigrants to florida and Ohio to swing the election.  

Not too worried?   Ok, replace Canada with China or India.   Either could muster 100 million conscripts if absolutely necessary without even causing too big of a disruption to their country.  Or replace the US with Israel.    I think you get the point.  Controlling the border is one of the fundamental reasons for existance of the federal government.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Immigration in general is a good thing.  Open borders&#8230; maybe not so much. </p>
<p>Thought experiment:   let&#8217;s say the US and canada were in conflict over some issue.  Both countries have completely open immigration policies.  Rather than fight it out, the US just sends 20 million immigrants over the border and they vote for unification in the next election&#8230;.</p>
<p>Or how about this&#8230;  Canada is really worried about a second Obama term.  So they send a half million immigrants to florida and Ohio to swing the election.  </p>
<p>Not too worried?   Ok, replace Canada with China or India.   Either could muster 100 million conscripts if absolutely necessary without even causing too big of a disruption to their country.  Or replace the US with Israel.    I think you get the point.  Controlling the border is one of the fundamental reasons for existance of the federal government.</p>
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		<title>By: croaker</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/11/09/morning-links-567/comment-page-1/#comment-2016806</link>
		<dc:creator>croaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2011 01:33:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@19 Simple Justice has a slightly different slant

http://blog.simplejustice.us/2011/11/09/new-orleans-materiality.aspx]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@19 Simple Justice has a slightly different slant</p>
<p><a href="http://blog.simplejustice.us/2011/11/09/new-orleans-materiality.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://blog.simplejustice.us/2011/11/09/new-orleans-materiality.aspx</a></p>
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		<title>By: Michael Chaney</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/11/09/morning-links-567/comment-page-1/#comment-2016432</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Chaney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2011 00:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: #11 - I&#039;m all for controlling immigration and I believe that open borders are a bad idea.  That said, I don&#039;t get real upset about the Mexicans who have made it here, and I find that those who do always end up getting upset about all immigrants if you get talking to them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: #11 &#8211; I&#8217;m all for controlling immigration and I believe that open borders are a bad idea.  That said, I don&#8217;t get real upset about the Mexicans who have made it here, and I find that those who do always end up getting upset about all immigrants if you get talking to them.</p>
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		<title>By: Boyd Durkin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boyd Durkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 21:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;
Interesting Slate discussion...
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I was skeptical, but it wasn&#039;t bad.]]></description>
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Interesting Slate discussion&#8230;
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<p>I was skeptical, but it wasn&#8217;t bad.</p>
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		<title>By: DoubleU</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/11/09/morning-links-567/comment-page-1/#comment-2015026</link>
		<dc:creator>DoubleU</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 20:11:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mis-read the &quot;Single mother&#039;s gain&quot; at he linked site, for some reason I read it as One market owners loss will be another market owners gain&quot;

StrangeOne.  Didn&#039;t mean to upset you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mis-read the &#8220;Single mother&#8217;s gain&#8221; at he linked site, for some reason I read it as One market owners loss will be another market owners gain&#8221;</p>
<p>StrangeOne.  Didn&#8217;t mean to upset you.</p>
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		<title>By: StrangeOne</title>
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		<dc:creator>StrangeOne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 18:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Double, I don&#039;t think most libertarians have a problem with the lotto&#039;s existence in general, or try to make such sweeping judgements of the people that play. But I know I personally have a problem with the state trying to legislate &quot;unethical&quot; behavior like gambling while turning around and profiteering from the exact same behavior. Its the government monopoly, and the considerable force used to establish that monopoly, that I have a problem with.

Play a texas hold&#039;em scratch-off ticket, where the state gets 50% of the money and some lotto company gets 15%, and your fine. But if you play an actual game of texas hold&#039;em in your own house, where the house takes no rake and its zero sum game, then you can expect a SWAT raid, seizure of your property, and arrests. All of which is supposedly for your own benefit because all of that other stuff is apparently nothing compared to the evils of gambling, according to the state.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Double, I don&#8217;t think most libertarians have a problem with the lotto&#8217;s existence in general, or try to make such sweeping judgements of the people that play. But I know I personally have a problem with the state trying to legislate &#8220;unethical&#8221; behavior like gambling while turning around and profiteering from the exact same behavior. Its the government monopoly, and the considerable force used to establish that monopoly, that I have a problem with.</p>
<p>Play a texas hold&#8217;em scratch-off ticket, where the state gets 50% of the money and some lotto company gets 15%, and your fine. But if you play an actual game of texas hold&#8217;em in your own house, where the house takes no rake and its zero sum game, then you can expect a SWAT raid, seizure of your property, and arrests. All of which is supposedly for your own benefit because all of that other stuff is apparently nothing compared to the evils of gambling, according to the state.</p>
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		<title>By: DoubleU</title>
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		<dc:creator>DoubleU</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 18:16:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: &quot;Police Raids To Help Charities&quot;
&quot;&lt;i&gt;One market owner&#039;s loss will soon be a single mother&#039;s gain&lt;/i&gt;&quot;
Shudder....

Re: Unfortunate headline of the day.
It was used purposely, because all men who watch football beat their wives.

Re: Lotto
The lottery is the stupid people tax, the dumber a person is the more they play.  If you don&#039;t believe me, look at the people in line to buy lottery tickets.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: &#8220;Police Raids To Help Charities&#8221;<br />
&#8220;<i>One market owner&#8217;s loss will soon be a single mother&#8217;s gain</i>&#8221;<br />
Shudder&#8230;.</p>
<p>Re: Unfortunate headline of the day.<br />
It was used purposely, because all men who watch football beat their wives.</p>
<p>Re: Lotto<br />
The lottery is the stupid people tax, the dumber a person is the more they play.  If you don&#8217;t believe me, look at the people in line to buy lottery tickets.</p>
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		<title>By: omar</title>
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		<dc:creator>omar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 18:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;So while I’m all for clobbering the heck out of real molesters and pornographers, the extreme reach of the law as it is enforced is a problem.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;s a nice sentiment, but how exactly do clobber people without the extreme reach of the law?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>So while I’m all for clobbering the heck out of real molesters and pornographers, the extreme reach of the law as it is enforced is a problem.</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s a nice sentiment, but how exactly do clobber people without the extreme reach of the law?</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Lyman</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/11/09/morning-links-567/comment-page-1/#comment-2014245</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Lyman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 18:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have absolutely no use for child molesters or real child porn, but I&#039;ve seen a 20-y.o. man sentenced for making of video of himself and his 17 y.o. girlfriend (he was 19 at the time, I think; memory is imperfect).  At the time of sentencing, he had married the girl (and as I understand it, the sex itself was legal).  The judge expressed his dissatisfaction with the prosecution in open court but wound up giving a sentence of a couple of years (again, memory is imperfect).

I&#039;ve also sat through testimony from a medical doctor who was purportedly an expert in adolescent breast development, the purpose of which was proving that the girls in pornographic images were underage based on a close examination of their nipples.  Now, it&#039;s certainly possible the doctor was 100% correct in his assessment, but I doubt very much he passed a controlled trial with hundreds of dummy images of girls of known age.  What&#039;s more, it strikes me as unreasonable to ask a guy looking at porn to have a consulting physician available to verify that everything is legal.  

So while I&#039;m all for clobbering the heck out of real molesters and pornographers, the extreme reach of the law as it is enforced is a problem.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have absolutely no use for child molesters or real child porn, but I&#8217;ve seen a 20-y.o. man sentenced for making of video of himself and his 17 y.o. girlfriend (he was 19 at the time, I think; memory is imperfect).  At the time of sentencing, he had married the girl (and as I understand it, the sex itself was legal).  The judge expressed his dissatisfaction with the prosecution in open court but wound up giving a sentence of a couple of years (again, memory is imperfect).</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve also sat through testimony from a medical doctor who was purportedly an expert in adolescent breast development, the purpose of which was proving that the girls in pornographic images were underage based on a close examination of their nipples.  Now, it&#8217;s certainly possible the doctor was 100% correct in his assessment, but I doubt very much he passed a controlled trial with hundreds of dummy images of girls of known age.  What&#8217;s more, it strikes me as unreasonable to ask a guy looking at porn to have a consulting physician available to verify that everything is legal.  </p>
<p>So while I&#8217;m all for clobbering the heck out of real molesters and pornographers, the extreme reach of the law as it is enforced is a problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Don't comment much</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don't comment much</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 18:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@#19: Dang! That was a pause that refreshes -- especially Scalia joining in the ripping.

Of course, maybe oral arguments were just for show, and the decision could still come down upholding NO Parish&#039;s exclusive power to decide what evidence is exculpatory and what isn&#039;t.

But at least the oral arguments offer some hope.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@#19: Dang! That was a pause that refreshes &#8212; especially Scalia joining in the ripping.</p>
<p>Of course, maybe oral arguments were just for show, and the decision could still come down upholding NO Parish&#8217;s exclusive power to decide what evidence is exculpatory and what isn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>But at least the oral arguments offer some hope.</p>
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		<title>By: MH</title>
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		<dc:creator>MH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 17:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I consider immigration control to be a basic requirement for control of cultural evolution and precisely what a government should be regulating, as destabilization of functional cultural elements is a recipe for social disaster.&quot;

Tasking government with maintaining the culture, however defined, involves providing it with large amounts of money and power needed to effect this goal. It can&#039;t be assumed that giving it such power won&#039;t, itself, end up having any deleterious effects on the culture. Which I think is exactly what will happen.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I consider immigration control to be a basic requirement for control of cultural evolution and precisely what a government should be regulating, as destabilization of functional cultural elements is a recipe for social disaster.&#8221;</p>
<p>Tasking government with maintaining the culture, however defined, involves providing it with large amounts of money and power needed to effect this goal. It can&#8217;t be assumed that giving it such power won&#8217;t, itself, end up having any deleterious effects on the culture. Which I think is exactly what will happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 17:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[http://www.scotusblog.com/2011/11/argument-recap-disaster-at-the-lectern/

The Supreme Court absolutely ripped the New Orleans prosecutor yesterday in the oral arguments for the latest case involving a breach of Brady rules.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.scotusblog.com/2011/11/argument-recap-disaster-at-the-lectern/" rel="nofollow">http://www.scotusblog.com/2011/11/argument-recap-disaster-at-the-lectern/</a></p>
<p>The Supreme Court absolutely ripped the New Orleans prosecutor yesterday in the oral arguments for the latest case involving a breach of Brady rules.</p>
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		<title>By: Brandon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brandon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 17:17:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So, with all the bad publicity they&#039;ve given themselves the last few years, the cops are now going to play Robin Hood with the seized stuff that they don&#039;t want to keep for themselves? No possible ethical conflicts there. Nope, none at all. The democrats might not like their territory being encroached on, though.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, with all the bad publicity they&#8217;ve given themselves the last few years, the cops are now going to play Robin Hood with the seized stuff that they don&#8217;t want to keep for themselves? No possible ethical conflicts there. Nope, none at all. The democrats might not like their territory being encroached on, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 17:13:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;a href=&quot;http://ij.org&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;IJ turns 20&lt;/a&gt; - happy birthday IJ!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://ij.org" rel="nofollow">IJ turns 20</a> &#8211; happy birthday IJ!</p>
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		<title>By: Curt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Curt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 17:12:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ #6 - perlhaqr,

Followed a few weeks later by Occupy Quickie Mart protests for debt forgiveness.

You see, they bought the lottery tickets with the expectation that they would be winners.  If they had known those tickets weren&#039;t going to be winners, they wouldn&#039;t have bought them.  Therefore, they are entitled to have their debt forgiven.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ #6 &#8211; perlhaqr,</p>
<p>Followed a few weeks later by Occupy Quickie Mart protests for debt forgiveness.</p>
<p>You see, they bought the lottery tickets with the expectation that they would be winners.  If they had known those tickets weren&#8217;t going to be winners, they wouldn&#8217;t have bought them.  Therefore, they are entitled to have their debt forgiven.</p>
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		<title>By: Mattocracy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mattocracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 17:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Government regulating culture.  Also accomplished by censorship, thought policing, religion, peacefull assembling of people, etc.  Sounds like another way to say, regulating freedom.

The government has no right to tell peaceful people where they can go, who to employ, and how many people can be some place.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Government regulating culture.  Also accomplished by censorship, thought policing, religion, peacefull assembling of people, etc.  Sounds like another way to say, regulating freedom.</p>
<p>The government has no right to tell peaceful people where they can go, who to employ, and how many people can be some place.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Mc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Mc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 17:05:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If the cops in Nashville know that property was stolen then they should know who it was stolen from. So why don&#039;t they give it back to it&#039;s rightful owners?
It&#039;s nice to give to charity, but not if what you&#039;re giving away is not yours to begin with.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the cops in Nashville know that property was stolen then they should know who it was stolen from. So why don&#8217;t they give it back to it&#8217;s rightful owners?<br />
It&#8217;s nice to give to charity, but not if what you&#8217;re giving away is not yours to begin with.</p>
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