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Tuesday, October 25th, 2011

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  1. #1 |  Dave Krueger | 

    Very little about the police version of this story makes sense.

    They haven’t had time to fabricate a story and get everyone to memorize it yet.

  2. #2 |  Dave Krueger | 

    Also, whoever wrote the story must not have much of a brain.

  3. #3 |  Dave Krueger | 

    Two Illinois teachers union lobbyists teach for one day, get fat pensions for the rest of their lives.

    If anyone who had a hand in approving that law still has a job after the next election, then Illinois is getting exactly what it deserves.

  4. #4 |  Dave Krueger | 

    “…Doberman-Pomeranian mix…”

    Isn’t that a kind of a miracle all by itself?

  5. #5 |  Roho | 

    Police story makes perfect sense, from their perspective. They can derive anything from the absence of its counter-proof. Thus:
    * We didn’t see that he was unarmed, therefore we had to shoot him
    * We didn’t see that there weren’t any drugs, therefore we had grounds to search
    * The suspect wasn’t definitively sober, therefore we arrested him for DUI. (Note that ‘definitively sober’ does not include a brethalyzer result of 0.0)
    * We didn’t have time to see the dog not-attack an officer, so it was going to attack.

  6. #6 |  Stephen | 

    #4 I think it was a “miniature” doberman. I used to have a dog that was half german shepperd and half cocker spaniel. It had a german sheppard body on cocker spaniel legs.

  7. #7 |  Cornellian | 

    “Two Illinois teachers union lobbyists teach for one day, get fat pensions for the rest of their lives.”

    This is an extreme example of something that is actually quite common. One of the first things a union will do once it gets bargaining rights is to demand that the employer pay the salaries of various employees who have stopped doing their jobs to work full time for the union. Those people continue to count as employees for all purposes (e.g. pensions) even though they’re full time union employees who do not do any work for the employer. In the public sector, this means that taxpayer dollars are funding the salaries of lots of full time union employees whose job it it to get even more public funds. The guy in the article had a salary from the union of $245,000, which tells you what a great gig it is if you can get it. This case is unusual in that the one day of work came at the end, rather than the beginning of his career, but it would be totally common for him to start out teaching for a couple of years, then work for the union full time for the next 20 years, then retire with a public sector pension as if he had been working as a teacher for 22 years.

  8. #8 |  Yizmo Gizmo | 

    re Police shooting wrong man.
    “It very well looks like it could be a matter of perception,” Dolson told KNX radio. “This individual somewhat matches the description of an armed robber who robbed people at the ATM.”

    My friend speaks Police jive. I contacted him and he told me this
    means “Sorry, we fucked up.”

  9. #9 |  celticdragonchick | 

    His paycheck fluctuates as a union lobbyist, but pension records show his earnings in the last school year were at least $245,000. Based on his salary history so far, he could earn a pension of about $108,000 a year, more than double what the average teacher receives.

    The teachers are getting screwed. Time to clean house in the union and vote these scum out of their positions.

  10. #10 |  marco73 | 

    Re the union pensioner who only taught for 1 day.
    This can no longer go on, because states and cities are running out of money. These contracts are going to be torn up, and retirees are not going to get what they were promised.
    It will be ugly, ugly, ugly.

  11. #11 |  GSL | 

    This day in “Government Really Cares About the Housing Crisis”: California is foreclosing on many recipients of its loan program for first-time buyers. The catch? They aren’t delinquent on payments.

  12. #12 |  Rojo | 

    It’s time for lefties to get libertarian on the union bureaucrats. This has been my opinion for many years. The union bosses are out for their own damn selves and those that get the most screwed by that are the workers they are supposed to represent. The people that profit from it are the union bosses, the Democrats they support, and the companies they collude with.

    We need unions, but we need actual democratic from the ground up unions that are beholden to the interests of the workers and not professional union bureaucrats, many of whom haven’t done a lick of real work in their lives.

    Actual workers’ unions also would be less constrained by the suppressive laws against union organizing and actions as they would have less to lose than union bosses who dearly love their golf games and lobster tail dinners with the CEOs.

    Or so says the resident lefty libertarian here.

  13. #13 |  Pablo | 

    That is the most incoherent story I’ve ever heard from a police agency, which is saying a lot.

    If they can shoot someone because he matches the description of a criminal then I guess I’d better be careful. I’m a medium-sized, brown-haired, white male and I’m sure someone around here fitting that description has done something awful. And you can’t tell from looking at me whether I’m armed.

    #10 marco73–you are right, things are going to get ugly for retirees on government pensions, especially the fat six figure ones. We haven’t gotten to the “austerity” phase yet (in spite of the whining from the left) but it is coming and when the general public learns of all these sweetheart deals (while they themselves have limited retirement prospects) there will be hell to pay.

  14. #14 |  crzybob | 

    Is the union is penny ante compared to the wall street execs who wrecked the economy and then voted themselves billions in bonuses.

    The labor union crooks got nothing on the corporate crooks:

    •Robert Kelly received $17.2 million in severance after being ousted from the CEO job at Bank of New York Mellon last month.
    •Carol Bartz left Yahoo with nearly $10 million in cash and stock options after being fired from the top job at The Daily Ticker’s parent company.
    •John Chidsey received almost $20 million from Burger King when he left in April.
    •Baxter Phillips was awarded nearly $14 million after his company, Massey Energy, was sold to Alpha Natural Resources in June.
    •Ian McCarthy walked away from Beazer Homes with about $6.3 million in severance, even after being forced to repay his original package after the company settled with the SEC for filling misleading statements. Beazer even reimbursed McCarthy for up to $10,000 in legal fees.
    By comparison, the $1.6 million severance awarded to former UBS CEO Oswald Grubel, who stepped down after a ‘rogue trader’ cost the firm $2.3 billion, is but a pittance.

  15. #15 |  Leonson | 

    You do realize though, that with CEO’s, there is almost zero job security, a very small qualified applicant pool, and no guarantee of working again afterwards?

    My uncle had been interim CEO of a company 6 times over a 15 year period. I asked him once why he never became the CEO. He said “CEO’s get fired”.

    He finally took the CEO position and was promptly fired by the board less than 2 years later.

  16. #16 |  Stress N. Strain | 

    I think by “miniature Doberman/Pomeranian mix” they meant “miniature pinscher/Pomeranian mix.” The Doberman and min pin are completely different breeds (in fact, the min pin predeced the Doberman), but a lot of people make the mistake of thinking of min pins as miniature Dobermans.

  17. #17 |  Dave Krueger | 

    The lamest argument for excusing abuse is to simply point out that someone else is doing it more. Complain to a democrat about how Obama is an idiot, and he will commonly excuse it by proclaiming that Bush was a worse idiot. And vice versa.

    The fact that corporate executives get huge retirement packages is completely irrelevant to the story about loopholes in the law that let a couple of union lobbyists game the system and walk away with a huge unearned tax-funded retirement.

  18. #18 |  Dave Krueger | 

    I completely missed the word “miniature” in the dog story. I was way too busy picturing a Pomeranian aggressively pinning the Doberman to the ground having his way with her as the Doberman puts up half-hearted resistance trying to restraint the urgent desire that permeates her entire being.

  19. #19 |  Mattocracy | 

    The corporate exec aren’t getting paid entirely from the taxpayers.

    Best option, don’t give tax dollars to either unions or corporations.

  20. #20 |  Yizmo Gizmo | 

    threadjack: Mugshot racket.
    Here’s more proof of Florida using arrests as a cash cow.
    Website plasters a million FLA arrest mugshots back to 1999 on google images.
    Other website (same owners?) demand $399 to remove photos.

    Internet age Extortion?

  21. #21 |  ClubMedSux | 

    The Doberman and min pin are completely different breeds (in fact, the min pin predeced the Doberman), but a lot of people make the mistake of thinking of min pins as miniature Dobermans.

    I too have made that mistake until now. Thanks for the clarification, though I still want to punt my neighbor’s min-pin into the next ward.

  22. #22 |  derfel cadarn | 

    To # 14 private is one thing and public employ another. The unions should pay their own fucking pensions. It does not matter what corps. do if they raise their prices to cover inflated packages I have the choice of not buying what they sell. What do I do in the public sphere? Not pay my taxes so that armed costumed thugs come and shoot me? not much of a choice, you sir are a moron and a shill.

  23. #23 |  Nancy Lebovitz | 

    The rock songs which were made as jokes– I’ve seen advice to musicians to try playing badly as a way of loosening up. Usually there’s no suggestion to record the results, though.

  24. #24 |  James | 

    Re. Mugshot racket; Like it Gizmo. Reeks of Monty Python’s sketch “blackmail”.

    “Now this is for 15 pounds, and it’s to stop us from revealing the name of your lover in Bolton!”

  25. #25 |  EH | 

    Yizmo: It’s not “internet age” extortion. At the very least, the BBB has been doing that for decades.

  26. #26 |  EH | 

    there is almost zero job security, a very small qualified applicant pool

    Non-sequitur, and your assertion that they may not be able to get a job afterwards is completely baseless.

  27. #27 |  Bob Mc | 

    He was “acting almost like a caged animal”.

    Standard police procedure when they kill an innocent man. Dehumanize him in the public’s eye by referring to him as an “animal”, a “suspect” or a “subject” instead of “a person”, “a citizen” or just “a man”.

    Next step is to drag whatever skeleton might be in his closet out and flaunt it to the public, even if it’s something so trivial as a jaywalking ticket or some time spent in a rehab. If he so much as visited a therapist he will be slandered as having “mental issues”. Never mind that nothing from his past had anything to do with what happened that night or that the cops would not have had any way to know about it when they killed him.

    I would love to see the report from the ATM robbery to see just how closely he “somewhat matches the description”. Or was the ATM robbery simply seized upon after the fact as they tried to cobble together justification for their cold blooded deed?

  28. #28 |  Whim | 

    Illinois politics: The corrupt, stinking primordial goo that Illinois politicians thrive in. Did I mention that B.H. Obama is an Illinois politician, and good friend of Tony Rezko?

  29. #29 |  Deoxy | 

    I’m of 2 minds on the police shooting:

    -The police need to be able to shoot people. Seriously, if the police tell you to stop, and you instead run away, if you can just GET AWAY a noticeable portion of the time, then the incentive is to run.

    -The police abuse the crap out of the powers they have and are almost never punished for it.

    Unfortunately, I must go with the second one, but it makes me angry. I WANT the police to have the power and authority they need to do their job well, and I WANT people to be rewarded for cooperating and making it easier to catch the actual dangerous criminals in our society… but I can no longer trust the police with the power they really should have.

    When they’ve lost someone like me, they’re pretty far gone.

  30. #30 |  Boyd Durkin | 

    Crazybob is actually right about CEO salaries. Smart investors have been screaming to deaf Boards about this for years. That does NOT mean “there-oughta-be-a-law-against-it”.

    Now, most of the outrageous CEO salaries are at companies I would never invest in…for this and many reasons.

    However; Unions shouldn’t hang their hat on a catch-phrase of “We’re not as bad as CEOs.” Let’s be done with that low-hurdle shit and actually try to accomplish something.

  31. #31 |  Dave Krueger | 

    WTF? As soon as I posted #18, this page became blocked where I work.

    Apparently they have a screening system that can identify a comment about dog sex and it doesn’t like it.

  32. #32 |  omar | 

    Apparently they have a screening system that can identify a comment about dog sex and it doesn’t like it.

    Maybe a lucky sysadmin was looking at the logs just then. Squinting his eyes, he mutters “What in the hell? Nope.”

  33. #33 |  JOR | 

    “The police need to be able to shoot people.”

    No, they don’t. Or to be more accurate, they don’t need to be able to shoot people in situations where anyone else is not allowed to shoot people. Any job that requires its agents have the power to shoot non-threatening individuals, is a job that’s better off not being done.

  34. #34 |  David | 

    The corporate exec aren’t getting paid entirely from the taxpayers.

    That’s not something you can take for granted anymore.

  35. #35 |  Kent | 

    If you’re into chicks getting their faces kicked in by other chicks and seeing a dude get tazed….. by all means click the link…. there’s something for everyone. Too bad the cops didn’t taze all the wimps standing by while the chick got her face kicked in.

  36. #36 |  Sam | 

    The people who love it when the police go overboard have got to be thrilled about the governmental response to OWS protestors tonight in Oakland.

  37. #37 |  a_random_guy | 

    “The police need to be able to shoot people.”

    No, they don’t. Or to be more accurate, they don’t need to be able to shoot people in situations where anyone else is not allowed to shoot people. Any job that requires its agents have the power to shoot non-threatening individuals, is a job that’s better off not being done.

    What do you think about the castle doctrine? If there is a burglar in your house, you have the right to shoot them – you do not have to wait until they threaten you. There is a huge gray zone here. Under certain circumstances, it makes perfect sense to shoot a “non-threatening” person.

    In this particular case, there are a lot of questions. The big one: why did this guy run away from the cop? Why not stop and talk, and clear the situation up? Running was beyond stupid.

    Suppose that he had been the criminal, and ran away. Should the cop just let it happen? Really? This is exactly where I would expect the cop to shoot the guy – in the legs, if possible, but definitely bring him down.

    There is probably more to this story than we currently know.

  38. #38 |  AlgerHiss | 

    War on Law Enforcement?

    Read all about it here:

  39. #39 |  Highway | 

    a random guy: You can’t shoot somebody ‘in the legs’. That’s TV nonsense. Most cops are struggling to qualify to carry firearms at all. If you shoot at a person, you shoot at the middle of the person, and hope you are accurate enough to hit them somewhere.

    On top of that, in answer to both random guy and Deoxy: There are many reasons someone might run from someone claiming to be police, and almost none of them rise to the level of requiring deadly force. Remember, the cops do have other resources to catch people. They have cars, radios, many times they have helicopters. They have investigative powers, they have warrants. If some guy on the street that they want to talk to runs away, the idea that they should shoot him is ludicrous unless there are very stringent other circumstances, like they have personally seen that guy shoot, stab, maim, or otherwise violently harm someone else.

    I agree in the basic sense that the police can have the power of deadly force. But there really needs to be a high threshold for it, and police just don’t meet it in these stories (but do in other stories).

  40. #40 |  Bad Medicine | 

    I thought most new music these days was meant as a joke…

  41. #41 |  perlhaqr | 

    Can’t imagine why anyone would run from the cops. *eyeroll*

  42. #42 |  Boyd Durkin | 

    Thread jack: The Occupy events sure are drawing a lot of attention…to police brutality. The cops still don’t get that their every move at these events is being recorded by a dozen cameras. They just keep on tossing flash grenades into crowds, firing rubber bullets at heads, cracking skulls with batons, pepper spraying eyeballs, and soon…because you know it’s coming…killing people. A whole generation is learning anew to not trust the cops. Good. Remember how the cops are acting toward Occupy–which has been amazingly non-violent and chock-full of middle-aged teachers and grannies.

    Actually, the cops just don’t give a fuck if they are “caught” on camera brutalizing someone. It ain’t like they’re gonna get arrested or nuttin’.

  43. #43 |  Boyd Durkin | 

    …Running was beyond stupid.

    Let me consider your proposal to OK the shooting of all stupid people.

    No. I don’t think this ends well.

  44. #44 |  DoubleU | 

    Boyd Durkin, It depends on who is deciding who is stupid.

  45. #45 |  old lyn | 

    “Very little about the police version of this story makes sense.”

    What’s so hard to understand? Yet another person in America was killed because he had an encounter with an American law enforcement officer. That is one of the most dangerous things you can do.

    The above is my gut reaction. After thinking about it, though, I am bothered by the conduct of the victim. Running several times from the police was not the way to handle the situation. I wonder why he did that. Then again police rely way too much on the things they carry that can hurt & kill people.

    I think it was better in the old days when cops would chase & tackle somebody & cuff them. Let it end there.