Comments on: Morning Links http://www.theagitator.com/2011/10/10/morning-links-550/ It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do. Thu, 29 Jan 2015 14:59:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.1.2 By: JOR http://www.theagitator.com/2011/10/10/morning-links-550/comment-page-1/#comment-1834231 Tue, 11 Oct 2011 22:43:16 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=22351#comment-1834231 “Terrorists” are just people violently opposed to the US and its allies and puppets. “Rooting them out” may or may not be legitimate. Likewise, Generallismo X’s “foolishness” or “lunacy” may or may not be a bad thing. In any case, the US government is a criminal enterprise, and any damage done to it is legitimate. Of course as a criminal enterprise it will treat whistleblowers and defectors unkindly. But the fact that this is predictable behavior on its part is not a justification for it, nor a reason to wave off criticisms of said behavior.

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By: albatross http://www.theagitator.com/2011/10/10/morning-links-550/comment-page-1/#comment-1832848 Tue, 11 Oct 2011 18:22:57 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=22351#comment-1832848 Mike T:

Assuming there is solid evidence that Manning did what he is accused of, he should have been charged with disclosing classified information and punished according to the written laws. Instead, he was locked away in solitary for several months, and subjected to extra degrading treatment, in order to either break him or convince him to implicate Assange or some other desired target. This is the behavior of police states, not decent countries.

As with most whistleblowing cases, with Manning’s leaks (always assuming they were his–I don’t automatically trust guilt by anonymous leak or press release), no US official will suffer any serious consequences for having serious wrongdoing revealed–paying for child prostitutes for Afghan warlords, murdering people trying to rescue dying wounded people (and nailing their kids, too), pressuring foreign governments to suppress invetigations into US torture and kidnapping programs, all those are forgivable missteps, perhaps a little embarrassing, but certainly nothing to get upset about. But leaking that information so that the American people can find out about it–that’s the serious crime here. And it’s the only one that will be punished.

Nobody who leaks highly classified stuff to the press selectively to manipulate press coverage will face any legal consequences. And of course, only a dirty fucking hippie would expect people to be punished for running a massive torture program all across the globe, or a massive domestic spying program here at home. I mean, those things are illegal in the narrow, quaint sense of being violations of the written law, but they’re not serious crimes, like revealing the names of some US informants or embarrassing some US diplomats.

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By: Rob Lyman http://www.theagitator.com/2011/10/10/morning-links-550/comment-page-1/#comment-1831706 Tue, 11 Oct 2011 14:45:26 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=22351#comment-1831706 JOR, if a US ambassador sends a message saying “The president of Berzerkistan is eager to work with us in rooting out terrorists” or alternatively “Generalissimo X is a dangerous lunatic and our policy of engagement with him is foolish,” the revelation of either of those messages could do diplomatic damage even though neither reveals any wrongdoing at all.

There are legitimate uses of secrecy as well as illegitimate ones.

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By: Mike T http://www.theagitator.com/2011/10/10/morning-links-550/comment-page-1/#comment-1830898 Tue, 11 Oct 2011 11:59:49 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=22351#comment-1830898

You have to love the people who fancy themselves “liberals” who let the mask slip every once in a while, exposing the authoritarian bigot underneath for all to see.

It’d probably make his head explode to find out that many middle class blacks are actually moving back to the South precisely because it’s more politically and economically free than many of the states their ancestors fled to are today.

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By: Mike T http://www.theagitator.com/2011/10/10/morning-links-550/comment-page-1/#comment-1830885 Tue, 11 Oct 2011 11:58:05 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=22351#comment-1830885 The problem that Manning faces is that he released far more documents than a whistleblower could credibly claim to have read and verified showed a pattern of unethical or criminal behavior. It was essentially a temper tantrum thrown with classified data and Manning happened to have accidentally released some data that helped make him not quite so bad.

I would like to think that most people could be reasonable enough to understand the difference between releasing documents you know show a pattern of criminal/unethical behavior and simply burning the entire contents of a SMB share to a DVD and throwing it up on a torrent.

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By: lhfree http://www.theagitator.com/2011/10/10/morning-links-550/comment-page-1/#comment-1830605 Tue, 11 Oct 2011 11:02:56 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=22351#comment-1830605 Online gambling & the perils of prohibition:

I’m in favor of legalizing it. Let Americans choose for themselves. It’s not what it seems though. Online poker especially is more than just playing poker. There are powerful edges some people use including software that tracks players’ decisions and habits and software that tries to predict unseen cards by trying to figure out the poker site’s “random number generator.” Way too much room for people to win with a bigger advantage over the average player than just skill.

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By: JOR http://www.theagitator.com/2011/10/10/morning-links-550/comment-page-1/#comment-1828210 Tue, 11 Oct 2011 02:02:35 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=22351#comment-1828210 Any physical or diplomatic damage the US government receives because of info Manning released is deserved. If you suffer ‘diplomatic damage’ because your misdeeds are discovered, then the problem was your misdeeds, not the discovery. It’s like an adulterer raging about the fact that their spouse found out why they’ve been staying out late every night.

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By: CTD http://www.theagitator.com/2011/10/10/morning-links-550/comment-page-1/#comment-1828185 Tue, 11 Oct 2011 01:55:05 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=22351#comment-1828185 “This isn’t the South. You can’t just do whatever you want.”

You have to love the people who fancy themselves “liberals” who let the mask slip every once in a while, exposing the authoritarian bigot underneath for all to see.

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By: Robert http://www.theagitator.com/2011/10/10/morning-links-550/comment-page-1/#comment-1827163 Mon, 10 Oct 2011 21:57:18 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=22351#comment-1827163 @ #7 zendingo “nothing manning released has been proven to be harmful to anyone.”

“The nine Jews remaining in Baghdad must leave because their names appeared in a WikiLeaks cable, an Anglican priest in the Iraqi capital said.”

Boy, THAT wasn’t hard, was it?

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By: Kind of Off Topic http://www.theagitator.com/2011/10/10/morning-links-550/comment-page-1/#comment-1826320 Mon, 10 Oct 2011 18:58:25 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=22351#comment-1826320 Long story short, I’d love to see an article about the Occupy movement. From Radley Balko’s point of view, of course. It’s in Indianapolis now.

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By: Deoxy http://www.theagitator.com/2011/10/10/morning-links-550/comment-page-1/#comment-1826260 Mon, 10 Oct 2011 18:49:01 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=22351#comment-1826260

I think Manning’s real crime was that he embarrassed politicians.

In terms of why they are actually prosecuting him, I would have to agree. If he was only a high-ranking Democrat, he could have done that and been congratulated for it…

That’s not to say he SHOULDN’T be prosecuted for it, mind you, but I’d certainly put a good number of other people higher on the “needs prosecution” list. His superiors, for one easy example – hello, he sat and burned CDs of secret files and took them home for HOW long?!?

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By: Irving Washington http://www.theagitator.com/2011/10/10/morning-links-550/comment-page-1/#comment-1826018 Mon, 10 Oct 2011 18:04:39 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=22351#comment-1826018 Glenn Greenwald once again succeeds in teaching me something and depressing the hell out of me.

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By: omar http://www.theagitator.com/2011/10/10/morning-links-550/comment-page-1/#comment-1825914 Mon, 10 Oct 2011 17:45:20 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=22351#comment-1825914 HD,

Are you suggesting the posted video was “selectively edited to make the protesters look like idiots”?

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By: Juice http://www.theagitator.com/2011/10/10/morning-links-550/comment-page-1/#comment-1825841 Mon, 10 Oct 2011 17:38:13 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=22351#comment-1825841

#1 | Dave Krueger | October 10th, 2011 at 10:36 am
Online gambling and the perils of prohibition.

I’m only a little more than half way through the Ken Burns documentary, but so far it seems like the implication is that prohibition didn’t work mostly because they didn’t fund it sufficiently and hire enough law enforcement.

I watched the whole thing and that’s not what I got from it. To me the take home message was that there were too many people willing to get around the law, even cops and politicians. Whenever you have a situation like that prohibition will not work at all.

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By: derfel cadarn http://www.theagitator.com/2011/10/10/morning-links-550/comment-page-1/#comment-1825692 Mon, 10 Oct 2011 17:12:45 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=22351#comment-1825692 Embarrassed politicians ? Hardly seems possible for the cretins running our government. But it does appear to work ,lets continue doing it until they all scurry back into the fetid crevices from which they emerged.

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