So is attorney-client privilege non-existent if we use our smart phones to communicate with our lawyers?

Jerry Brown is following Obama’s path to becoming a Republican.

Darwin, et. al.

If you guys think Obama, Brown and Democrats were in some way better than Republicans and going to protect your rights….suckers.

But keep voting anyways, it is clearly working.

Sailor,

Difster, sorry. Or did you mean that my lack of a smart phone would be something to use against me?

Duh, of course. If you don’t have e-mail on your phone or text messages that is a sign that you are a smart criminal. See, even the lack of evidence is evidence.

Why is anyone still living in California? Take your guns and smartphones and get out.

Because California is on the leading edge, what we do the rest of the country soon follows. So, it will be happening in your area soon enough.

Regarding this,

“a phone that stores all data remotely would be easier.”

That makes it worse. Data in 3rd party hands aren’t subject to 4th Amendment protection.

And chances are they’d still search it on your phone since your phone would allow them access.

albatross,

Why care if you dont have blackmail material on your phone? For the same reason you should care if I manage to change a million votes in next year’s oresidential election, but leave yours alone–that power subverts the institutions you count on for this society to keep working. Give the local cops, the FBI, the NSA, etc. blackmail material on enough local politicians, journalists, activists, gadflies, bureaucrats, etc., and you will find that you have given them unlimited power to avoid accountability for anything they do, to force any politician to back down in a conflict with them, to silence any critic, to guarantee favorable local media coverage.

Oh stop being a poopy head. If they aren’t doing anything wrong, nothing bad will ever happen to them. Only bad people have bad things happen to them.

Now, who wants a magic pony?

Why care if you dont have blackmail material on your phone? For the same reason you should care if I manage to change a million votes in next year’s oresidential election, but leave yours alone–that power subverts the institutions you count on for this society to keep working. Give the local cops, the FBI, the NSA, etc. blackmail material on enough local politicians, journalists, activists, gadflies, bureaucrats, etc., and you will find that you have given them unlimited power to avoid accountability for anything they do, to force any politician to back down in a conflict with them, to silence any critic, to guarantee favorable local media coverage.

Come on, spying, whether Murdoch- or govt-derived, is a big voyeuristic jerkoff.
Imagine the thrill, for petty tyrants, of being to be able to play God and
browse through everyone’s personal photos, videos and e-mails with impunity,
under the guise of fighting crime.

But as a matter of practical reality, I don’t see why I would especially care. My personal emails are boring and mostly about what my kids did today or what we’re going to do for dinner. All these elaborate security schemes, phone-wiping plans, etc.: why?

“Of course, this raises the question of why cell phone manufacturers are making devices with such easily bypassable security?”

This is a difficult question to answer, but the basic response is “feature, not bug”.

The ability to act as a USB mass storage device is nearly a REQUIRED feature these days. Nobody encrypts their SD cards or internal memory, and the demand for it isn’t huge (imagine having to re-enter a PGP-style passphrase using an on-screen keyboard every couple of hours).

There are other useful features make it easy to access data on the phone– most Android phones support USB debugging (don’t know which phones have it turned on by default), which gives a smart user or program access to a LOT of nifty information that’s useful for programmers and attackers alike. I know that my phone has debugging access enabled; I use it as a test device for some research software I’m writing. A smart cop could use that to my disadvantage, I suppose.

Fark dat chit!

I’m land lining it and will stick to such till I need a burner. :)

“A republic, if you can keep it” How prophetic of Mr Franklin…