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Wednesday, October 5th, 2011
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  1. #1 |  GSL | 

    CD/DVD piracy such a serious crime in California that police no longer have to pretend there’s a 4th Amendment when prosecuting it.

  2. #2 |  Marty | 

    A friend of mine had the cops come into his backyard with guns pointing at him while he was homebrewing. He moved everything inside. When you brew outside, your wife doesn’t complain about the smell and you’re not making a big mess or taking a chance on burning your house down. He’s not pleased about having 2 cops pointing guns at his chest… Of course, HE needs to ‘be careful if you’re gonna be doing that kind of thing…’

  3. #3 |  Elliot | 

    Wisconsin judge’s ruling is astounding. I suspect there was a fear of setting a precedent that people have a right to control what they do with their own property and their own bodies.

    The judge probably didn’t care about the milk, but was thinking long term of the impact on things like health care mandates, fat taxes, drug prohibition.

  4. #4 |  Marty | 

    Obama should’ve pulled an LBJ on the cbs reporter and just wiggle his pecker at her. It’d be a little more entertaining and that’s what it feels like they’re doing, anyway.

  5. #5 |  CyniCAl | 

    When USG attempts to enact and/or enforce laws such as a ban on gun ownership by state-licensed marijuana users or a ban on milk consumption from privately-owned livestock, what they are proving is that the entity known as the United States of America is in its terminal stage and is now impossible to control. In fact, USG can’t even control its own responses to citizen behavior anymore.

    Critical mass is nigh.

  6. #6 |  ClubMedSux | 

    A few years ago we moved into a neighborhood that’s heavily populated with cops and firefighters. The first thing I did was tell all my neighbors that I brew beer so if they see me boiling stuff or moving weird-looking containers in and out of the garage they know that’s what’s going on. Of course, now I have my cop neighbor trying to convince me to start distilling…

  7. #7 |  Yizmo Gizmo | 

    “Police raid suspected meth lab . . . that turns out to be a guy making his own beer.”

    I watch the documentary Prohibition by night and then see this madness.
    Deja vu.
    Maybe this awful recession will help end this madness; that’s what
    it came down to in the 1930′s.

  8. #8 |  Elliot | 

    The “Fast and Furious” story was originally brought forth by Mike Vanderboegh and David Codrea on their respective gun rights blogs. ATF whistle blowers contacted them first, and it took them awhile to find people in Congress to provide protection. (Codrea is like The Agitator of gun-related police corruption, documenting embarrassing incidents on a daily basis.)

    Given that politicians, including Obama and Hillary Clinton on down, attempted to misrepresent the statistics on guns bought in the US and found at Mexican crime scenes, it is obvious that the intent of “Fast and Furious” is to inflate those figures to justify expanding the role of the ATF, aswell as use the manufactured crisis as an excuse for portraying legal US gun sales in a sinister light. The official stated purpose of trying to build gun cases against murderous drug smugglers doesn’t add up, nor fit with the facts of what has happened.

    Meanwhile, apologists for the administration are attempting to portray anyone who sees the obvious motives behind “Fast and Furious” as crazy. Rachel Maddow recently tried to paint anyone who was skeptical of the administration’s explanations as crazy and paranoid, even going so far as to poison the well by bringing up Vanderboegh’s “window war” (see my discussion of that and “Fast and Furious”) during the passage of ObamaPelosiCare, expecting viewers to assume that the F&F scandal was a product of the wild imaginations of militia types who dared to express concerns about government clampdown on rights triggering a civil war.

  9. #9 |  Elliot | 

    (continued from #8)

    But the Fast and Furious scandal was started by ATF agents blowing the whistle. Pointing to how politically radical the Woodward and Bernstein of this case happen to be is but a distraction. CBS news, which can hardly be described as being favorable to “right wingers” or militia types, has been hitting this story pretty hard.

    So much for the theories on MSNBC and “leftist” blogs.

  10. #10 |  CyniCAl | 

    Another isolated incident! Bonus: Fullerton, CA!!!

    http://www.ocregister.com/news/police-320498-detectives-nordell.html

    Money Quote: “This is a very rare circumstance,” Acting Police Chief Kevin Hamilton said of the mistake. “I’m here to apologize to the Nordell family for the Police Department.”

    A police department apology is indeed a “very rare circumstance.” Kudos to Acting Police Chief Kevin Hamilton for equally rare honesty from a police department renowned for its dishonesty and brutality.

    Kicker: Hamilton, who may need some “acting” lessons, is substituting for the embattled police chief who is out on “medical leave” for conditions that presented remarkably coincidentally with the impromptu State execution by Fullerton PD of Kelly Thomas.

    So, in rapid order in Fullerton PD, we have the murder by State agents of a citizen, a State agent under investigation for theft, an investigation for wrongful accusation against a citizen for attacking a police officer AND a wrong-door raid. This proves that where there is one cockroach, there are a thousand more.

    Wow, way to go Fullerton!!!

  11. #11 |  Mattocracy | 

    Fast and the Furious is the Democrats answer to Iran-Contra.

  12. #12 |  Elliot | 

    @Mattocracy (#11), so who are the hostages to be freed in F&F?

  13. #13 |  Aresen | 

    CBS reporter vs. Obama administration.

    Whose side to be on?

    Tough call.

  14. #14 |  Jim Collins | 

    How is it a police raid, when the manager of the apartment building called them and reported a meth lab? The manager is the moron here, not the cops.

  15. #15 |  CyniCAl | 

    Not to pile on, but I forgot these two tidbits:

    “Also, Hamilton is taking steps to fire an officer accused of sexually assaulting two women. Overall, at least eight Fullerton officers are on paid leave.”

  16. #16 |  Mario | 

    Cooking up meth is a highly inflammable endeavor; so, if the apartment manager jumps to an erroneous conclusion and calls the police, and an apartment building is evacuated, that’s unfortunate. But, is this really a raid gone bad? Should procedure be to not evacuate the building until after the hazardous materials team’s investigation? Should any rank-and-file officer first investigate before evacuating and calling in the HazMat team?

    I don’t know. I would think this is a policy that the fire marshal should have some say in.

  17. #17 |  Yizmo Gizmo | 

    “How is it a police raid, when the manager of the apartment building called them and reported a meth lab? The manager is the moron here, not the cops.”

    Wait, it gets worse. Next it will be Lincoln Logs and Leggo Sets.

  18. #18 |  Brandon | 

    Re: Elliot

    “It’s obvious that the intent of “Fast and Furious”…” hahaha What you’re doing here Elliot is conflating your wacky, tin-foil-hat-wearing worldview with things called ‘facts.’ I clicked on the link about the CBS reporter supposedly being yelled at and took a look at the comment section. A couple of your friends (obviously) were arguing along your lines of a grand conspiracy wherein Obama (personally) will supply Mexico with guns so the murder problem becomes so horrifically bad that the only course of action Obama can take is to completely ban all guns in America. This is the end game of what you were describing. I’m not an apologist for this administration, I just believe that the simplest answer is usually the correct one. The answer regarding a grand, ridiculous conspiracy involving hundreds of people at the top of our government is usually the wrong answer. But hey, “they took our guns!!!” is easier to rally around then reality.

  19. #19 |  Brandon | 

    Jim, there’s room for more than one bad guy in this story.

    And Mattocracy, seriously? What kind of partisan asshole do you have to be to see the results of the gunwalker operations and say “Well, the other team did something vaguely similar 30 years ago, so quid pro quo.”

  20. #20 |  Just Plain Brian | 

    Re: Fullerton

    The department is investigating the incident and the acting chief promised to provide the Nordells with the investigation’s results.

    Why wait? I can give the Nordells the results of the investigation right now: All procedures were followed.

  21. #21 |  ClubMedSux | 

    I watch the documentary Prohibition by night and then see this madness. Deja vu.

    Oh, the parallels while watching the Prohibition documentary are beyond obvious. From the youth temperance programs that were just like D.A.R.E. to the silly silent movie showing the horrors of alcohol a la “Reefer Madness,” I don’t know how any sentient being can watch Prohibition and not feel like they’re watching a documentary on modern times.

  22. #22 |  Mattocracy | 

    I’m partisan? So am I supposed to be a right winger or lefty because I pointed out that two different administrations have been caught funnelling arms to people of questionable character and then tried to cover it up later?

  23. #23 |  CyniCAl | 

    Brandon, I think you’re relatively new here and don’t know/understand Mattocracy very well. He is most assuredly non-partisan and I believe he raised the Iran/Contra scandal to prove that State corruption is universal irrespective of “party affiliation.”

    Democrats and Republicans: two wings of the same bird of prey. [attributed to Eugene V. Debs]

    And yes, even avowed Socialists can speak the truth.

  24. #24 |  JD | 

    A coworker have me a T-shirt a few years ago after I showed him pictures of my brewing rig. It says, “No officer, this isn’t a meth lab, we’re brewing beer.” I have had neighbors ask why I have so many stainless steel tanks around the place, but at least they come to me to ask rather than reporting me to the police. I invite them in and offer them a pint – there’s nothing like sharing liquid bread to make friends.

  25. #25 |  Chicagojon | 

    Re: WI Dairy cows / raw milk argument

    It seems to me the judge is 100% correct in this. It’s all fine and good to read the ‘you don’t have a right to ___’ part of the judgement and scream at big government encroaching on us, but the entire judgement makes perfect sense to me:
    1. You operate a dairy farm
    2. There are WI laws regulating dairy farms and the sale of milk and specifically pasteurization
    3. Because of #1 the plaintiff is subject to #2.

    The arguments of the plaintiff of ‘yeah, but I don’t own the cows, I just milk them for other people’ and ‘but I have the right to an abortion so I have a right to own a cow’ are pathetic.

    What the judge clearly did not do is to say that I can’t buy a cow and consume the cows milk. If I’m not operating a dairy farm then his judgement has no effect on me. He addressed this directly in his clarification order when he stated: “Plaintiffs’ arguments are nothing more than an attempt to misconstrue the issues in this case. they do not simply own a cow that they board at a farm. Instead, Plaintiffs operate a dairy farm. If Plaintiffs want to continue to operate their dairy farm then they must do so in a way that complies with the laws of Wisconsin.

    So…WI raw milk consumers. Get off your asses and change the law the ‘old fashioned way’ – through the legislature. Either change the definition of ‘dairy farm’ so small raw milk producers can produce and sell their goods, or change the WI laws regarding milk and pasteurization.

    Contrast this to Chicago where Tilapia was treated as a livestock product and the definition of ‘farm’ created obstacles for urban agriculture. Aquaculturists are working to create a market for local foods grown in conjunction with growing/processing/selling Tilapia. They couldn’t because of the existing laws on the books so they worked and got a new ordinance passed that expands the limit on community garden sizes, allows limited produce sales in residential areas (e.g. famers markets),relaxed rules on fencing and parking for urban farms and allowed aquaponics.

    http://www.thecompletepatient.com/storage/WIorder-clarification9-11.pdf

  26. #26 |  Mike | 

    CyniCAl, Sadly, I used to say that the right wing and the left wing need to work together if America is ever going to fly. I now know they are taking the bird where he doesn’t want to go.

  27. #27 |  omar | 

    That homebrew story scares me so much. I will now take my homemade wort chiller off my back porch and place it in a closet.

  28. #28 |  Mike T | 

    Fast and Furious is not like Iran Contra; it’s worse. In Iran Contra, we were selling weapons to aid a group that was trying to overthrow a Communist regime. In this case, we are arming a group dedicated to overthrowing the legitimately elected government of our southern neighbor in an effort to help make the case for repressing our own people’s gun rights.

    Obama should face impeachment and then prosecution for treason and arming a terrorist organization.

  29. #29 |  Bob | 

    Jesus fucking christ, the story of the homebrewer who’s apartment manager called the cops is infuriating on so many levels.

    First, what retard can’t tell the difference between fermenting grains and the INDUSTRIAL SOLVENTS used to make meth? I’ve never been to a meth lab, but I’m sure I could tell the difference.

    What the fuck is wrong with the police? Ok, I can forgive the manager for being a moron… but not the police. The police should have interviewed the guy to asses the risk, then send an officer to check on the apartment when it’s obvious the manager can’t tell the difference between a meth lab and wort.

    Evacuate the building? That’s just self serving “Security Theater” that serves only to provide arguments for budget boosts for the cops. Like when the freakin’ bomb squad is called out and traffic is stopped for hours to defuse a box of kittens.

    Why are people so fucking stupid that they endorse this crap under the belief that it “Keeps them safe.”?

  30. #30 |  CTD | 

    The FTC goes after Four Loko again, this time for packaging the drink in cans that are apparently too large selling something they perceive black people as liking.

    FIFY

  31. #31 |  GSL | 

    Also alarming: one official wants a Department of Pre-Crime in the California State University system.

  32. #32 |  Marty | 

    meth labs are amazing- I’ve seen entire labs plumbed under the pedestal of a waterbed. I guess the theory was, ‘if it blows up the water’s right here’.

    this is just drug war nonsense. giving the fire marshall more authority is not smart- I’ve seen asshole fire marshalls close down charity fish fries because the exhaust vents were 2 inches off. He didn’t give a shit if it would cost thousands to correct an issue that caused no harm.

    the only solution that has a chance is to legalize drugs. apt managers already have tools at their disposal to get into apartments. if the guy didn’t have enough balls to go ask a tenant, ‘hey, what’s up?’, he doesn’t have enough ballse to say, ‘hey, where’s the rent?’ He’d have to have solid evidence of wrongdoing to call the cops first, in my world.

  33. #33 |  NAME REDACTED | 

    “Wisconsin judge says you have no right to drink the milk from your own cow.”

    Yet another reason to move to Texas.

  34. #34 |  CyniCAl | 

    Mike T, I suspect your heart is in the right place, but there are so many contradictions in your comment that I cannot make sense of it. If you watched The Sopranos or any other Mafia drama, you should have a better understanding of the State.

    In other words, there’s no practical difference between F&F and IranContra, just as the only difference between The Godfather and GoodFellas is the cast and a few plot details.

  35. #35 |  Elliot | 

    @Mike (#23) When the Coke and Pepsi parties work together, the result is almost always an increase in government power at great cost to individual rights and private sector productivity.

    While I find myself almost universally opposed to the Democrats, with a tiny number of exceptions on narrow issues, my contempt for most Republicans tempers any satisfaction I might feel at seeing Democrats lose on legislative votes or elections. From religious inanities to law-and-order insanities to nation building calamities, the so-called “conservative Republicans” cause problems which greatly offset their defense of the free market (which is also often tarnished by corporatism, protectionism and other forms of rent seeking). And, the cowardly RINO types accept the most rotten tenets of the Democrats and cave in on signing away our rights in a ridiculous attempt to placate the “leftists” and “moderates”.

    The result of choosing the lesser of two evils for so many years is that the only choices left are all evil.

  36. #36 |  Elliot | 

    @CyniCAl (#31) I think Mike T is right that F&F is just another case of the US government undermining the Mexican government, in a sinister attempt to gain bureaucratic power. Though, I think prohibition is a far larger factor in that than this particular operation.

    I think he misses a lot about the Contras. Despite the human cost of the rebellion against Ortega, that man is once again running Nicaragua. Such a waste. But that was a symptom of the much larger “lesser of two evils” approach during the Cold War.

    The one redeeming thing about Iran/Contra was the release of hostages, though it obviously violated the “never negotiate with terrorists” rule, which tends to be counter-productive. I don’t see anything analogous in F&F to freeing hostages.

    Shorter version: the two scandals are apples and oranges.

  37. #37 |  CyniCAl | 

    C’mon Elliot. The two scandals are a distinction without a difference. They’re both State operations. To write that they are different is to subtly justify one over the other. You believe that State operations of any kind are justifiable?

  38. #38 |  c andrew | 

    On the 7 year old girl killed by police while serving their “assault style search warrant.”

    http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2011/10/detroit_officer_faces_manslaug.html

  39. #39 |  Brandon | 

    Cynical, my point was that the existence of one does not excuse the existence of the other. Saying “But the other team did it too!!!” serves no purpose other than to deflect blame from the team committing the current crime, unless you are saying it to argue for the complete abolition of the state.

  40. #40 |  KBCraig | 

    Oh, the parallels while watching the Prohibition documentary are beyond obvious.

    Not to Ken Burns. Just watch Nick Gillespie’s interview with him, just out on reason.TV.

    I can’t wait for the backlash when Phusion complies strictly with the FTC’s mandate, and add big bright letters to their cans: WARNING! THIS CAN OF FOUR LOKO IS THE SAME AS DRINKING 4.5 BEERS!!!”

    Sounds like a marketing tool to me. Heads will probably explode at FTC.

  41. #41 |  CyniCAl | 

    #36 | Brandon — “Cynical, my point was that the existence of one does not excuse the existence of the other. Saying “But the other team did it too!!!” serves no purpose other than to deflect blame from the team committing the current crime, unless you are saying it to argue for the complete abolition of the state.”

    Your first point is true, Brandon. In the context of Mattocracy, however, the second part above is also true and, I believe, correct, whereas I don’t believe your first point applies to him. I’ll speak for myself and completely agree with the last part of it.

    Now, what can be done about it is another matter entirely….

  42. #42 |  CyniCAl | 

    @#35 | c andrew

    In conjunction with the murder charges brought against the Fullerton PD officers, this very recent trend, small as it may be, of bringing criminal charges against State agents is a very surprising and welcome change. Hopefully it’s a bellwether of a citizen uprising against the State. However, charges are not the same as convictions, and even convictions can be set aside by the State, so for now it’s just theater. But I guess one has to start somewhere.

  43. #43 |  Ted S. | 

    @ #27 | CTD

    I thought Four Loko was the drink of the Snooki Class, although that’s another group of people whose preferences it’s OK to criminalize.

  44. #44 |  Mattocracy | 

    Brandon,

    You read my comment, decided to read between lines that weren’t there, and started making accusations about me based on tremendous assumptions you have made.

    Although I am an asshole for a multitude or reasons, I am not an asshole for the reasons that you have assumed above.

  45. #45 |  cryingSpaces | 

    Plenty of mentions over the past few weeks about Obama’s Fast & Furious scandal, but nothing yet on the Koch brothers selling oil equipment to Iran? Nothing on Reason either. That’s funny, I could have sworn that you’ve tried to prove many many many times that you and Reaason weren’t schilling for the Koch brothers.

  46. #46 |  Libbyj | 

    Whoa, wait. First you didn’t have to BUY the cow in order to get the milk for free. Now you can’t even drink the milk that you PAID FOR? Balderdash!

  47. #47 |  Yizmo Gizmo | 

    Was this ever posted?
    Reality Cop who shot kid finally gets indicted.

    A Detroit police officer has been charged in the shooting death of a 7-year-old girl during a raid last year that was being videotaped for a television reality show, local prosecutors said Tuesday

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204524604576611430068482122.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

  48. #48 |  Elliot | 

    Cynical (#34) :C’mon Elliot. The two scandals are a distinction without a difference.

    Had both scandals remained a secret, the end result for the average American would be quite different. For Iran/Contra, it would be unnoticeable beyond a bump in the defense budget. For Fast and Furious, it could have been a new round of deprivations of the right to self defense, all based upon a big lie.

    They’re both State operations.

    Putting murderers and robbers behind bars is a state operation.

    So is putting dissidents in a GULAG in Siberia.

    Let’s not be so obtuse as to draw moral equivalences by ignoring everything beyond one attribute.

    To write that they are different is to subtly justify one over the other.

    No, I’m contrasting them to show how they differ. At most I’m prioritizing them by degree.

    I don’t ignore when government officials maliciously set their sights on my rights, as opposed to setting their sights on a foreign regime they deemed to be a threat to Americans. That doesn’t justify covert, illegal operations or the “lesser of two evils” Cold War interventions. It simply makes clear who is the target.

    They purport to represent and serve us. I realize that’s not true, but people who stand on such claims should make at least some effort to do more harm to the “bad guys” than to their own constituents.

    You believe that State operations of any kind are justifiable?

    What ever gave you that idea? And, what does that have to do with what I’ve written about the two scandals?

  49. #49 |  CyniCAl | 

    You are Elliott the anarchist, right? Maybe I was wrong, my bad.

    What you consider “obtuse,” is “consistent” to me. As an analogy, consider what happens to a bottle of wine when a drop of piss is added to it.

    I’m always happy to agree to disagree, though I suspect we are 99% agreement and 1% disagreement. You may think that 1% is worth arguing about, but it’s the most trifling minutia, imho.

  50. #50 |  Xenocles | 

    Guess you missed these, Yizmo:

    http://reason.com/blog/2011/10/03/the-latest-lid-ripper-in-kochs

    http://reason.com/blog/2011/10/05/bloomberg-businessweek-on-bloo

  51. #51 |  Xenocles | 

    Eff, not Yizmo, Libby. Apologies.

  52. #52 |  Leon Wolfeson | 

    @25 – Totally agree. Again, it’s a public health issue. The laws regulating it may be (are) old fashioned and need changing. But the concept of keeping unpasteurised milk out of general stores is important from a public health perspective!

    @31 – I can tell you now what the University response will be – stop collecting the data. It’s happened here in the UK. The government has tried to get universities tutors to act as immigration enforcers. Many Universities have relaxed attendance recording requirements, and many tutors (including myself) are no longer directly recording it.

    It was also a useful warning for other issues for us, but oh well. The people who turn up are the ones with good grades at the end of the day anyway, near-universally, so…

  53. #53 |  Boyd Durkin | 

    The correct question by all reporters should be “What is the question that Mr. Holder was answering?” This puts Mr. Holder into a corner, so of course he knows better than to answer that.

    In the future, Congress should ask “What question do you think you’re answering?” after each question. I’d also like to see the Republican candidate ask Obama this during a future debate.

    Lying: it’s different when the state does it.

  54. #54 |  Boyd Durkin | 

    I have raw milk in my fridge right now (had some with my cereal). I regularly buy it at a market down the street.

    Just part of the good life in NH.

  55. #55 |  Boyd Durkin | 

    #45 | cryingSpaces | October 5th, 2011 at 3:30 pm
    Plenty of mentions over the past few weeks about Obama’s Fast & Furious scandal, but nothing yet on the Koch brothers selling oil equipment to Iran? Nothing on Reason either.

    That seems like a great business plan and it should be profitable. Sell oil equipment to Iran because Iran has a lot of oil. That creates Amurican Jobs. Bravo, Koch. Bravo.

    Too bad all those Mexican kids are getting killed with F&F guns Obama sold to drug dealers.

    2000-2011 deaths from getting hit in head by oil equipment by drug dealers: 0.

    Koch for President.

  56. #56 |  Boyd Durkin | 

    The first thing I did was tell all my neighbors that I brew beer so if they see me boiling stuff or moving weird-looking containers in and out of the garage they know that’s what’s going on.

    Well played, meth-cooker.

  57. #57 |  omar | 

    Of course, now I have my cop neighbor trying to convince me to start distilling…

    Make him a deal. He starts a marijuana farm in his attic, then you will build a still.

    The penalties are pretty much the same.

  58. #58 |  Joe | 

    A bit of hypocrisy on gun issues, eh? Pot smoking patient denied a gun while thousands of weapons were sold to drug bands.

    But when you realize the Administration started Fast & Furious to discredit gun rights in the Unites States, it all makes sense. This was not just a mistake that went horribly wrong. This was a lot worse than that.

    And the media is being strangely silent. CBS even shut down its own reporter who questioned the White House (and who was yelled and sworn at by Administration people).

  59. #59 |  Boyd Durkin | 

    Joe,
    I love Laura Ingraham. Easy now, I mean “love” in a purely sexual way. But she checks her logic-hat at the door and dons a full length propoganda robe. She does this mostly because it enables her to cash massive employment checks.

    I don’t doubt WH staffers yelled at reporters or that Democrats were going to spin this into anti-gun (waste not any crisis). But let’s not credit anyone in the USG with a plan so far-thinking until we get a lot more proof.

  60. #60 |  albatross | 

    Iran-Contra involved selling weapons to a country that had occupied our embassy and kidnapped the people there, which I think is pretty unambiguously an act of war, so I dont think it was quite so harmless as selling some oil manufacturers some equipment.

    Regardless of the intentions of the folks running the project, one likely effet of the whole thing would have been more pressure to tighten gun laws in the US. (Helpful hint: the driving factor in the Mexican drug war isn’t the American supply of guns’ it’s the American demand for drugs.)

  61. #61 |  Al V | 

    Is the guy serving 145 years for a crime he probably didn’t commit so little a surprise that no one mentioned it?

    Someone can be convicted on the word of one person, then can’t be unconvicted on that same persons recanting their testimony?

  62. #62 |  supercat | 

    #18 | Brandon | “I’m not an apologist for this administration, I just believe that the simplest answer is usually the correct one.”

    It appears the government–for whatever reason–deliberately sought to facilitate the acquisition of guns to known criminals, and only to known criminals. Do you dispute that? Obama has overtly claimed to be working on gun control “under the radar”. He has also overtly claimed that U.S. gun dealers were supplying huge numbers of guns, and that because of that new gun-control measures were needed. The idea that a person might commit a crime whose outcome would line up with his stated objectives seems pretty simple. Do you have a simpler one?

    If Obama’s administration wasn’t intending that the guns it allowed criminals to acquire would be used for crimes, what was it intending? If the operation was a result of some rogue agents, rather than being orchestrated from the top, why aren’t Obama, Holder, et al. assisting the investigation and seeking to prosecute the people involved? Can you offer a “simple” explanation for why Holder and Obama are, to paraphrase Sherlock Holves, “dogs that don’t bark”? A simple explanation for their inaction is that they don’t disapprove of what was going on. Do you have a simpler one?

  63. #63 |  Elliot | 

    CyniCAl (#49) :You are Elliott the anarchist, right?

    I usually call myself a libertarian or an individualist. I know too many hard core people who have integrated their anarchist ethics far more than I ever will.

    With a mortgage, family, etc., I’m not willing to buck the system so much that I risk having the big government machine roll over me at such a high cost.

    What you consider “obtuse,” is “consistent” to me. As an analogy, consider what happens to a bottle of wine when a drop of piss is added to it.

    Haha. I don’t know what to do with that analogy.

    If you want to say government is bad, I’m not going to disagree. But at that point, any discussion of scandals, legislation, incidents involving people being abused by those in power is a short conversation.

    There are degrees of evil and I see some value in a slightly more complex analysis.

    “I’m always happy to agree to disagree, though I suspect we are 99% agreement and 1% disagreement. You may think that 1% is worth arguing about, but it’s the most trifling minutia, imho.

    That’s probably true.

    For a few days, we even have geography in common. I flew into Long Beach last night. Luckily, no TSA incidents.

  64. #64 |  Elliot | 

    @Leon (#52) When I see a Underwriters Labs (UL) sticker on a power cord, that gives me some confidence. They don’t need worthless bureaucrats to muddle up their product analyses.

    It’s in the interest of general stores not to sell tainted milk. If they or a food safety organization determine that raw milk is too risky, they lose their profits if they go against such advice. Nothing says the food safety organization needs to involve government. People have just been conned into believing that lie.

  65. #65 |  Cyto | 

    Al V

    Someone can be convicted on the word of one person, then can’t be unconvicted on that same persons recanting their testimony?

    Of course not. Now that she’s recanted, her credibility is destroyed. No court could rely on her recantation…. duh….

  66. #66 |  supercat | 

    #25 | Chicagojon “The arguments of the plaintiff of ‘yeah, but I don’t own the cows, I just milk them for other people’ ”

    The judge in this case didn’t issue a final decision on a case, but merely issued a ruling dismissing motions to dismiss the case. The judge was probably correct, but some of the statements in ruling go beyond what would seem to have been appropriate for the case at hand. For example, the judge could have ruled that an entity which is hired to milk cows for many people is a dairy farm for purposes of regulation, without having to suggest that the rules also apply to a person who personally takes milk directly from a cow for personal consumption.

    BTW, it’s worth noting that many of the risks that pasteurization is supposed to avoid are very slight when dealing with the milk of one cow, but will increase nearly a hundredfold or a thousandfold if the milk from a hundred or a thousand cows is pooled together. It would be impractical for many large dairies to avoid mixing together the milk from different animals, but for someone with one cow, it would be no difficulty whatsoever. The best way to balance freedom with the protection of public health may be to provide that products which are made with the milk from a single animal (or, perhaps, some small number of animals) which is uniquely identifiable from the product packaging would be exempt from the pasteurization requirement.

  67. #67 |  Lyn | 

    Re: The FTC goes after Four Loko again

    Look all that’s going on is a part of our government is saying that we aren’t smart enough to make our own decisions. Apparently too many people don’t understand that drinking alcohol can get you drunk so the FTC wants to look out for all of our best interests.

    Can we trust the FTC to look out for us? Sure. We can all trust the federal government to do the right thing.

    In the meantime I’m going to pour my little bottle of “5 Hour Energy” into my big can of “Four Loko” and enjoy. First, though, I’m going to McDonald’s to get a super size fries. The FTC & Michelle Obama be damned.

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